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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, January 10, 2016 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Didn't renounce his Canadian citizenship until ALREADY elected to Congress. Had certainly NOT been a naturalized or natural-born US Citizen for 9 years prior to election as was required for senate.

OK - the Right Wing North American Law Center may have an axe to grind in the article (link): http://northamericanlawcenter.org/ted-cruz-is-in-t he-u-s-senate-illegally/#.VpMLcRUrLIU

What am I missing?



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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 06:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Born to American mother. Father resident in U.S. for more than needed.

There are three different laws over time that defined native born. The most restricted is the original, modified twice over two centuries.

Ted meets all of them including the oldest.

This is bull crap start to finish.

Ted is American. Raised with our values and culture with a heavy influence from Canada. Not a bad thing.

Barry is American. Raised with Islamic and Indonesian values and little culture, with a heavy influence from communist revolutionaries. Not a good thing.

Just being born somewhere doesn't guarantee they will be good or evil. Upbringing and individual character counts.

Ask the men defending the Benghazi consulate while Obama had a nap.

Oh, yeah. You can't.
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Oldog
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 08:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

what pat said
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ever hear of dual citizenship?

Cruz was and is, an American citizen from birth because his mother was an American citizen.

He also had Canadian citizenship, because he was born there.

One person.
Two citizenships.

Feeling better now?
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have to admit that I didn't know you could be elected to Congress with dual citizenship.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is a simple, but effective ploy by Donald Trump.

"hey, what if someone else challenges you on a purely b.s. reason? I just thought I'd bring it up so you'd be warned" is the basic message...

translates to....

"I'm making a pure b.s. charge to get stupid people to not like you, in a sneaky way so I can say it's not my fault"

Don't be the stupid people.
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Reindog
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Trump is being smart. Cruz needs to get this issue behind him so that he can be the Vice-President on the Trump ticket.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As Reindog says, All Cruz has to do is show where it allows persons with dual citizenship to serve in the Senate.
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Crusty
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't like Obamalamadingdong, but why was it an issue that lasted for years when it applied to him, but it's not an issue when it applies to Cruzinforburgers?

Ain't no double standards here, right?
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When it was asked for... just how long did it take for Obama's birth cert to be avail to the public, vs Cruz's ??

What was time frame difference?? (was there any??)
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cruz PROVED he served at least two years as Senator before renouncing his Canadian citizenship. That's my question.

I've known PLENTY of dual citizens. That being said, NOBODY in any sensitive line of work would be allowed as a duellie and I assume most CON-gress creatures eventually need a clearance.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 07:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution sets three qualifications for senators:
1) they must be at least 30 years old
2) they must have been citizens of the United States for the past 9 years or longer
3) they must be inhabitants of the states they seek to represent at the time of their election.

I guess it doesn't say "SOLELY" a citizen of the United States so if he's a citizen of both Canadialand and USA, he CAN have dual allegiance. Interesting.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Crusty, when Hillary was running up against Obama, she asked for a Birth Certificate. Did not get one. When Donald was asking last election, Obama released a multilayer pdf file of the Hawaii Certificate. what's that? about 4 years to get a bogus computer file?

Hey, could be completely legit, you usually use multilayer pdfs instead of jpgs, right? for legal documents?

For the record, no photo copy of Barry's certificate has been released, and he's been getting paid by you the whole time. ( so, to be fair, has Cruz, since he was elected )

The only part that's not a double standard, is it's the loud mouth Trump that got Barack to release anything at all, ( fake or real ) and it's Trump that pretty much told you "you and him fight" this month.

It's just the double standard is 180 degrees off your prejudice on the subject..... as far as the press goes.

As far as the Commie hating jingoist Liberals here... I guess that's just me, actually, I checked the law, and when the presidential candidate supplied the paperwork to the public, as one would think was required by law, if not any sensible human, I saw if they were legal or not. And made my mind up on the basis of facts as best known. ( how do you make decision? )

Ted and Barry are both legal, if you believe the paperwork offered to the public. Barry took over 4 years to produce any. fact. what he produced seems hinky. opinion. I haven't seen what format Ted Cruz submitted his documentation, do you know?

Ted didn't take 4 years either, so form your own opinion on that.

In any event, they whole "scandal" is a completely bogus tactic by Trump, with willing bandwagon cooperation by people who don't want Ted to win, which is a long and very rich list. Of both Parties.

Xdigitalx, about 4 years, right?
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Reindog
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While we're on the subject, I think the American People are entitled to Obama's academic transcripts. They are not forthcoming.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 08:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Obumma is as forthcoming with truth as will be Hillarity.

I just live in fear of our populace as having such a need for a reactionary president - whether left, right or center.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 08:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In fear OF the populace, or FOR it?
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Both. Absolutely, both.
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 09:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fear FOR it in time of Clinton II... and in fear OF it when they opted for Obama II.
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Crusty
Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

While we're on the subject, I think the American People are entitled to Obama's academic transcripts. They are not forthcoming.

Yeah! While we're at it, I think the American Public is entitled to his kindergarten drawings, as well.
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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 01:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Huh? He is the smartest person in the room according to Valerie Jarrett. Prove it.
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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 03:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You prove or disprove it. Opinions are like a**holes; everybody's got one and they all stink. Except mine, of course.

All I know is what I read in the Newspapers. And I don't read Newspapers.

But I will go out on a pretty stout limb and state that next November, the two opposing Presidential Candidates on the ballot will be Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.

I don't think either one is good for the Country.

Oh, well.

(Message edited by Crusty on January 12, 2016)
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 05:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"While we're on the subject, I think the American People are entitled to Obama's academic transcripts. They are not forthcoming."

why?
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why are we entitled to Obama's transcripts?

Because we asked for them, and he's on our payroll.

His constant dodging of the issue along with the birth certificate and his many other lies point to a pattern of behavior not desirable in a president.
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Hootowl
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For the same reason the dems went on and on about gw being a c student. Gw didn't hide his record. Obama did. What does that say?
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 10:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's the beef I had... consistency.

If the Democratic party was going to be constantly harping on Republicans "demanding X", they need to be "demanding X" of their own candidates, or shutting up about it.

Of course they won't, and that is expected and would be fine, except that the media (who is a specially protected class under the constitution) has allowed itself to become grossly out of balance. When you have a complicity in a majority of the major news organizations that won't call you out on double standards, and constantly seek to correct the record, there is an "injustice" that results.

Compare the tone of the coverage of Palin's use of non government email (which upon investigation showed was used for non government work, her campaign, which she wasn't supposed to be using state government resources to perform) to the media tone covering Clintons use of private servers (which were indisputably used to send classified information, and likely set up so that she can avoid following the law with regards to discovery and FOI requests).

Capitalism and the Internet (which is arguably more capitalism) is fixing the imbalance, and doing so pretty quickly in terms of historic timescales, but those living in "interesting times" can pay a high price while the ship corrects. Just ask Scooter Libby and Hillary Clinton.
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