| Author | Message | ||
     Midknyte |
The X1 and M2 look to have shared the same frame. Is this correct? Edit: ugh. Posted in wrong room, but question remains. Thanks in advance... (Message edited by midknyte on January 04, 2016) | ||
| Crusty |
Nope. They're different. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
No. not correct. X1 frames have a removable panel for belt replacement and steeper rake angle. S3 and M2 frames may be close enough. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
LEL. almost a simul-post from the opposite sides of the earth! | ||
| Jayvee |
Why didn't that X1 belt removable thing percolate to the S3 and M2 ? Seems like a great idea, I have an M2 so no experience with it. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
The X1 was the last tube framed bike developed I think. This doesn't explain the S2 having them though! | ||
| Oldog |
"why didn't the plate percolate to the other models?" My guess would be cost reduction drove the fixed sides. once complaints about the difficulties arising from belt change or articles about frame spreading appeared. Erik's "thinking" won out All is speculation on my part, Calling 1313 do you have any incite on this ? | ||
| Hootowl |
I've been told that EB had very little to do with the X1. What "very little" means, I have no idea. Maybe HD thought the X1 was more likely to be tracked, and fitted with the optional chain conversion kit, so they made it easier to do chain and sprocket swaps. | ||
| Reepicheep |
First and last makes sense. The S2 plate, while beautiful, was (I think) lovingly machined and crafted by skilled artisans. It probably cost more to make than a normal bikes frame. So they dropped it when they scaled up the next round of bikes (S1, M2, S3). "Make the bike for less than we sell it for" probably appeared as a rule with this round of bikes.  Then with the X1, they had time for a rev 3, and could bring back a removable plate, but one that didn't add a fortune to manufacturing costs. | ||
| Hootowl |
But they changed the M2 and S3 frames in 99, the same year that the X1 became available. Would have been pretty easy to plug that frame section into all three frames, since they were changing them anyway. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Good point. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
Tanks attach quite a bit differently. The X1 has a bracket that goes across a tab in the rear of the tank down while on the M2, a bolt goes through the corresponding tab. That probably makes no sense without pictures. FWIW, the only tubers I've owned are X1s and I have never removed the frame piece to replace a belt. The screws holding that piece in were always loctited in to the point of being more trouble than just removing the swingarm. IIRC, that piece of the frame on the X1 is held in with countersunk 5/32" allen screws. Much easier to round them out than actually remove them - in my experience. | ||
| Henshao |
Having broken more than one belt on an M2, I can attest to the fact that Whew Buddy Changing Belts Sucks. "Spread the Frame??????" | ||
| Hootowl |
They were really in there. Not red Loctite though. Not even blue. Nylon locknuts. I believe that the back of the bolt heads get stuck in the powder coat because once you pop them, they come right out. I used wd40 (yeah, there's better, but it's what I had) and came back at them in a few hours. I didn't have too much trouble getting them out. I put some anti seize on the back of the heads when I reinstalled. No trouble removing them now. |
