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Zane
Posted on Monday, January 04, 2016 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My first computer was a Xerox 820 II. It had two 8 inch drives and no hard disk. OS on one drive and programs and data on the second drive. Sounded like a coffee grinder every time it accessed the disk.

It had a white on black 12 inch screen. The pièce de ré-sis-tance? The OS was CP/M.

(edited because I can't type)

(Message edited by Zane on January 04, 2016)
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Glitch
Posted on Monday, January 04, 2016 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I choke every time I think about how much money I've spent on hardware over the years, and what I can get now for a fraction of the cost.
Don't get me started.
I actually got a bank loan to buy my "lightning fast" 386
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Airbozo
Posted on Monday, January 04, 2016 - 05:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hehe, My first computer used toggle switches for input and incandescent flashlight bulbs for output (later upgraded to LED's). I fixed the machines that read and punched punch cards and loaded paper tape into a Perkin Elmer machine to read oil well logs and seismic readers. I also maintained the CRT plotters that spit out hundreds of feet of that data onto maps oil engineers used to find oil and gas, pouring over those plots in 200' hallways. Decades later I worked on the machines that took that data and displayed it into 3D images. We used to carry a 64k core memory board with diagnostics loaded when venturing into the field to troubleshoot remote systems.

That dates me.

I run Windows 10 on all my devices including my Tablets, NUC, Compute Stick and gaming rig. I've loaded it onto my ASUS gaming laptop 4 times and had to remove it all 4 times because the boot disk keeps getting corrupted after closing the laptop without powering it off (which has worked flawlessly under windows 7 for many years). I've even done a fresh format and windows7 install from scratch then upgraded to 10, with the same problem.

I also do not use any of my personal information in my accounts and use a specific email address for windows accounts.

My router is set to block any personal information as well. I never connect to any public wifi spots either.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, January 04, 2016 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh yeah, well, my first computer had a steering wheel!

No, not really. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/computer.asp
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Tootal
Posted on Monday, January 04, 2016 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So it seems many of you were at some point into ancient geekdom. I have a really good friend like that and I know he doesn't want to know how much money he spent either. Sort of like never adding up the race car receipts!!

My computer knowledge started in Trade school in the Machine Shop when we received our first CNC Bridgeport. A COMPUTER numerical control milling machine!! Cooool! We had to learn code and then write our own programs then type them in the "typewriter" where a tape with holes in it would come out the back. Then we had to feed the tape into the computer on the machine.

You put in your material and tooling, located your zero point and hit Go! Then the teacher would stand there nervous as a wet hen with his finger on the emergency stop button! It was an experience and several guys went into that side of machining but the places I ended up was all old school! The closest I got to a computer after that was my old sharp calculator that I still use to do trig problems!
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Robertl
Posted on Monday, January 04, 2016 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Think it was 1985 when we got our Commodore 128 and I learned BASIC.

Been a while since I heard FORTRAN or COBOL, both of which I took the first attempt at college. I remember editing my final COBOL project to run on the mainframe vs my PC. I knew rather quickly I never wanted to write code.
I believe it was 1 or 2 yrs before I started college that they stopped using punch cards for registration.

I also remember upgrading my dekstop PC every 6 months during the 90s trying to stay current. That 486 laptop was good for surfing, chatting, and word processing but that's about it. I probably had the only dual processor (overclocked Celerons) on campus.
It also heated my apt during the winter..lol.

A google search usually solves those data logging and other nonsense issues. Although, doubt my motorcycle and home/auto repair stuff provides much interest to those watching.

Now, on Windows 10, I've heard only good things, but I work with a bunch of geeks who probably turn off all the stuff they don't want.
I know a few customers that were using Win 8 but honestly I haven't heard of many moving to 10 yet. Hopefully I have some time left to learn the differences.
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Griffmeister
Posted on Monday, January 04, 2016 - 11:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm using an older Compaq with Win 7 and have a feeling that I'll have the same problems as D_Adams. Yeah, keep getting the pop-ups to upgrade. The "new" HP support assistant will check your PC for Win 10 compatibility. Holy crap, I didn't realize how old my laptop was. It says that my model and hardware has not been tested and may not have drivers available to update to Win 10. This could cause some operating issues. Yeah, like nothing working kind of issues. I think I'll stick with 7.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Airbozo, is it a solid state drive? I've seen those fail without appropriate error messaging... the firmware in the drive claims everything is copestatic on write, but the data is corrupted on read. Windows deep scans for defects report perfection, but the drive keeps throwing more and more bad data (but not errors) until it hits something that kills the OS.

I think the solid state drives find a problem, mark that bit as bad and don't reuse it, and then report all is fine back to the OS.

That same drive, doing a deep scan with Linux (not windows), *was* detecting all sorts of errors. Windows checkdisk reported things were golden (when they most assuredly were not). Unfortunately I couldn't tell what Linux utility the tech was using to do the scan from where I was standing.
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Butt Saver" maybe?
I have a few versions of it on bootable CD, it has tools for Windows troubleshooting.
It sure saved my bacon a few times, and a lot of clients too.
I wish I could still do that kind of work, it was truly satisfying.
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Brighton
Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Speaking about SSD drives:

From Wikipedia:

S.M.A.R.T. (Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology; often written as SMART) is a monitoring system included in computer hard disk drives (HDDs) and solid-state drives (SSDs)[1] that detects and reports on various indicators of drive reliability, with the intent of enabling the anticipation of hardware failures.When S.M.A.R.T. data indicates a possible imminent drive failure, software running on the host system may notify the user so stored data can be copied to another storage device, preventing data loss, and the failing drive can be replaced.



An older PC, depending on its age, might not support SMART in its Power-on/Boot-up code. And the O.S. (Windows) might not check a drive's SMART log either.

However, you can download an open source set of tools called SmartMonTools. There is a version for Windows, as well as for Linux and for OSX.

SmartMonTools contains the Smartctl.exe utility which will display a report of the SMART log for your SSD. If the SSD is failing there is a very high probability that the SSD's SMART log will show it.

By the way, some of the original SMART flags/fields have been taken over by SSD manufacturers in order to keep SMART useful. An example is the TEMPERATURE_CELSIUS flag. It most likely means something else on an SSD, and you'll need to check the SSD's manufacturer if you need to know.


smartctl -H /dev/sda
smartctl -i /dev/sda
smartctl -a /dev/sda


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Airbozo
Posted on Tuesday, January 05, 2016 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not an SSD in this laptop and I've run the drives through my industrial grade diagnostic systems (I design and build computers for a living. Mostly high end HPC, clusters and workstations with some medical devices thrown in).

I've even used a different disk (yes I am a geek, I always have spare drives around to fix systems, even though I have only had one major drive failure in several decades, on a gaming machine that got backed up so I didn't care). I replace any drive throwing up SMART errors asap. That's why I checked these drives. I also took them out of raid mode just in case.

I will try again, since there have been some updates, but I don't have time right now. Takes too long to restore the system and I have some deadlines to meet.

Try windows 10, you'll like it. Best OS I have used on a PC

Linux for me is not an option on my day to day devices (not enough of my applications are supported) I use linux for my firewalls, router and security devices. Even my backup machine is windows; Home Server 2011 running in a virtual machine.
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