| Author | Message | ||
     Thumper74 |
Zane, you're right. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the major players. They all make good guns. For the most part, it comes down to ergonomics and comfort. I found that I shoot the Glocks really well, they have a great reputation, are carried by the most amount of police officers, etc. Plus, they have the magazine interchange going between the G26, G19, G17 and G34, as long as you're putting larger mags in the smaller guns. | ||
| Zane |
Ok, I think I'm gonna go the Glock route. With my AARP eyes, that back U channel sight just works for me. I think that the front sight may have to be changed out for a fiber optic or perhaps a tritium sight. But I've run into a problem: For my middle sized gun do I want the G26 like I thought I did or do I want the G19. I've recently fondled two and while it's a touch bigger than the 26 it's got more capacity, longer sight axis and feels perfect in my hand. Jesss... this kind of decision is hard..... | ||
| Oddball |
If it fits your hand better it sounds like you have made your choice. | ||
| Zane |
So have been doing some more thinking. Oh great collective, what do you think about this idea: I'm strongly considering changing the line up. Originally I was thinking Glock 30S, G26 and G43. After fondling all the guns, reading many a review I'm thinking about changing the lineup to Glock 19, Glock 26 and Glock 43 and then down the road picking up a 30s. For now it would mean stocking only 1 caliber which is a good thing. I could buy in ammunition in bulk to save a little money. I really have fallen for the 19 but not sure the niche it fills is all that different from the 26. Does anyone have a Glock 19 and if so, what do you think of it? Anyone own both the 26 and the 19? Do they fill different niches or should I should one over the other? | ||
| Rick_a |
The Glock 19 is probably the most popular auto pistol in America. It tends to be the one size solution for a lot of folks. Smith&Wesson makes a 45 compact in a similar size, and the Ruger SR9C is another popular option. Some folks really like the XDM compact as well. In any case a Glock 19 sized gun is about the biggest gun folks are willing to carry. The US military has recently taken a liking to it as well in the more specialized units. I'm adding an HK VP9 to the lineup, because I plain love that gun, it requires no upgrades, and I don't have to adjust myself to it. No "platform" for me. Just my favorites. | ||
| Zane |
Yeah. The more I'm learning about the G19 the more popular I'm finding it is. Talked to the range master at the college I work for and he says for training he uses the G19. Seems those things are everywhere. I don't know much about HKs and nothing about VP9. I've always assumed the HKs were out of my price range. I did handle the Ruger SR9c. Felt good in my hand but I perceived it as being heavier that the Glocks. | ||
| Thumper74 |
The VP9 can be had for under $700 locally, if you can find one. I'm hankering for a USP compact, but finances being what they are... I picked up a Walther PPQ this weekend. I went in to buy the G19. My favorite gun pusher handed me both the G19 and PPQ, then gave me a magazine and put me in the indoor range. I left with the PPQ. I have no idea what happened. | ||
| Zane |
Too funny Thumper. That sort of happened to me too. My son is thinking about a G19 so he handled one and started fawning over it. He handed it to me and it just sort of melted into my hand. Now I lust in my heart for one. | ||
| Aesquire |
Brother in law shoots IPSC with his G19. ( gen 2 iirc ) Likes it a lot but does pinch his hand sometimes on fast reloads. I suggested the model with a longer grip but he doesn't like the feel. He has fairly big hands. Fit is the key. The G19 is the one that changed my mind on combat Tupperware. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Just picked up my Sig P238. Going to the range tonight with Pops. I have to say, this gun feels fantastic in the hand. It' mostly metal and you can feel the extra couple ounces versus a polymer piece, but the balance and excellent night sights have me Very excited to put a few rounds thru it. If it's as advertised as far as performance and paired with a good holster, I think it will make a great CCW.  | ||
| Rick_a |
The P238/Colt Mustang/Kimber micro are all great guns. Very easy to shoot and accurate for tiny guns. I just like my little revolvers better. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
I sure like the small size of that Harlan (Fresnobuell); about the same as my AMT backup but would still prefer my .45 ACP for better stopping power and both have 6 round capacity. If I wanted a nice 380 this would be the one I'd probably have. I wonder how the Sigs trigger pull is; my AMT is a very heavy 12# pull but DAO. The Sig of course is a SA. Very nice though, even at suggested price of $766.00. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I think I read the trigger pull is somewhere around 8#. If I had to guess, I believe the manual stated 6.5-8.5 which seems like alot of variation for something that should be very consistent like trigger pull weight (can confirm when i get home.) Dry firing it (I know bad) feels light but not too light, if you catch my drift. Way lighter than my .40 without a doubt. I almost went for the P938 but there is too much negative pub on the 9mm version of this gun (accuracy or lack thereof.) But being lefty got my interested in the ambi safety on the P938. Why on earth did then not make the P238 ambi-friendly, I have no idea. | ||
| Aesquire |
Dry firing is fine if you use a snap cap. ( a brightly coloured dummy cartridge with a spring loaded fake primer ) Get the kind with a brass rim/extractor. The plastic rimmed versions will break over time. I always store shotguns & rifles with one in chamber and trigger pulled to take the tension off the main spring. You'll want to buy a full magazine/cylinder amount. On a revolver you just aim & squeeze. Auto loaders require you to practice malfunction clearing. Not a bad thing. Always! Make sure there is no live ammo present when practicing dry fire. None. Not on you. Not on desk. Be freaking fanatical about that. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I just bought some snap caps off AMazon last night. Took me a while to figure out exactly what they were used for, but for $11 I figured what the heck. And your advice is completely correct about being fanatical about keeping live ammo separated. The Fresno Bee just ran an article today about a Pastor taking a gun safety course being shot point blank by the instructor. The instructor was using a dummy gun but holstered the real gun into play towards the end of the night. Same vein as snap caps vs. live ammo. I am pretty anal about gun safety and reading that article made me even more aware. | ||
| Anonymous |
I'll be receiving my new trigger and stainless guide rod for the Ruger LCP in another day or so. So far this piece gives me a 7 inch group at 25 feet when firing one handed. Trigger felt a little soft so I'll let you all know if that improves. | ||
| Rick_a |
The A-Zoom snap caps are best. Any of them with plastic, metal rimmed or not, break. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
So finally got to pop the cherry on the Sig P238. The extra heft maybe a negative for CC, but man is it a sweet shooter. Neglible kick lets you stay on target brilliantly. At 25 feet it was almost too easy to put 5 shots in the "pink" center mass circle and 1 in the forehead for good measure. I can see having alot of fun with this gun in addition to the protection it will provide. My dad shot it and said he shot better with it the first clip, then he does with his .380 auto. Im not precisely sure what brand his .380 is (as he has an arsenal) and I can't keep up. I think its Glock. | ||
| Thumper74 |
The girlfriend (soon fiancee...?) and I went to the range. She put two in the chest and one in the forehead of the target with my new Walther. I try to stay on her goodside... | ||
| Zane |
That sounds like a good plan Thumper. Sig makes a quality fire arm, that's for sure. There are several in the Sig lineup that I really like, your P238 and the P290 for example. Since I'm buying multiples, the cash layout was more than I could justify in my mind. But they are sweet. I'm waiting to find out if my son gets the job he applied for at Cabelas. If he does, it's a 25% discount on anything he buys. I should know in the next week to 10 days. That gives me time to get a Texas ID. I'm still driving on my Arizona DL. I've also signed up for the concealed carry course at the community college I work at. Because I work there, I get the $97 dollar class for free. They even provide the gun and ammunition. How's that for the deal of the week. | ||
| Rick_a |
 20151219_083529 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr | ||
| Zane |
Nice Rick. So? Have you had the chance to shoot it yet> | ||
| Rick_a |
Not a single round. I'm a little anxious to see how it'll do. | ||
| Ulyranger |
Zane, I have a G19 and have shot the 17, 22/23 and "baby" Glocks 26/27. The 19 is a solid performer and is an excellent CCW. Lighter than my Sig P229, but it does feel like prints more with its blocky grip in similar holsters....I could be picky though. In comparison to the 26 I do think they fill slightly different roles. The 19 is definitely easier to shoot with its full sized (for my hands) grip and slightly longer sight radius. The 26 being easier to conceal in lighter clothing. Having both would give you the best of both worlds and mag sharing is a plus (at least for the 26). If the G19 feels good in your hands, the only other recommendation I have is shoot one for final eval. They are stone simple and very reliable. Mine is from the mid-90s so I do have a few of the early mags that are far from perfect....not something you need to worry about these days unless you are picking up some used spares at a gun show or such. Concealing any double stack magazine pistol can be challenging in summer garb, so a slim single may have to be on your radar as well considering your locale.... Depending on season, environmental context and what currently floats my boat I carry either a Sig P229, G19 or a KelTec P11. I know the P11 has its detractors but mine has been fine for its intended purpose and use. I bought it when I needed a back up piece and dollars were tight (almost 20 years ago). I replaced the hammer spring and gave it the fluff n buff treatment it's been a solid little performer ever since. Good luck in your hunt.... UR (Message edited by Ulyranger on December 22, 2015) | ||
| Zane |
I have Wednesday off and planned a range trip with my son. I'm not taking my .45 or my Keltec. We're going to shoot and evaluate the potential carry guns. The range we're going to will rent anything in their inventory for a flat $20 fee. I plan to shoot Glock 19, 26 and the 43 and the 30s. We're also gonna try the Springfield XDS, Ruger LC9 and Shield too. We're also gonna rent a .44 mag just for the heck of it. I've never shot one so it will be an experience. I've also gotten interested in the new SCCY. I see that as a good choice for a truck gun. Stick it in the glove box and always have a firearm handy. The warranty can't be beat and if it's stolen, they'll replace it with a police report. How can you beat that? So many guns, so little time... (Message edited by Zane on December 22, 2015) | ||
| Gregtonn |
Zane, I would suggest you try the Ruger LC9S. The LC9S is striker fired and there is a huge difference in the trigger action compared to the original LC9. G | ||
| Zane |
If they have the LC9S in their inventory that's the one I'd try. I've dry fired one and it seemed pretty nice. Does anyone have some experience with a SCCY? I've recently become interested in those and think they'd be just about perfect for a truck gun. Would like to hear any informed opinion of them. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
No actual experience with the SCCY Zane but I just read a few reviews on them. All in all everyone liked them in many aspects until they actually fired them. Then it all fell apart due to, what the reviewers said, is a long hard DAO trigger pull of about 12 lbs. One said "all I could muster was minute of bad guy at 10 yards". I guess you'd just have to try one for yourself. My AMT .45 backup has a 12# DAO trigger pull but it is very smooth all the way through and is therefore an acceptable close combat very small fine weapon. It was, at the time (20 years ago), also a $300.00 pistol. Still probably an SCCY would make an acceptable truck gun for that money. $270.00 to $286.00 around here. Bob | ||
| Thumper74 |
For a truck gun, try the SW9VE. Better trigger than the SCCY. Very disposable at under $300. I think they're going for $250 at the LGS. | ||
| Zane |
SW9VE??? Don't know a thing about it. I'll do some research. |
