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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The following is a compilation of snippets from four e-mail alerts I received from the Virginia Citizens Defense League (VCDL) yesterday:

quote:

THE MEAN-SPIRITED ATTACK ON CHP HOLDERS CONTINUES - THIS TIME WHEN TRAVELING OUT OF STATE

The Virginia Attorney General, Mark Herring, a member of the Party of Gun Control, has decided to expand the attack on concealed handgun permit holders that was started by Governor McAuliffe. What Herring and McAuliffe can’t get done through the General Assembly, they will get by abusing their elected positions.

Herring had an “audit” performed on the states whose permits are honored in Virginia and has decided (surprise, surprise) that two-dozen of those states don’t meet the “standards" required.

The two-dozen states will have their recognition dropped on February 1, 2016.

Was there a problem with out-of-state CHP holders carrying in Virginia that triggered the audit?

NO, of course not. CHP holders are the most law-abiding of America’s citizens.

Just like the McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban, this isn’t about public safety at all. It is about vindictively attacking CHP holders [and] paying back Bloomberg for campaign donations[.]

VCDL WILL BE FIGHTING BACK!

A bill is going to be introduced in January that will change the law to honor the permits from ALL other states. Period. Last year the same bill cleared the House and was killed in the Senate Finance committee when the State Police lied, saying they would lose money if the bill passed.

Also, we will be going over the results of Herrings “audit" with a fine tooth comb. From the news article...I can see what appears to be some major flaws in the audit. This part will be handled in the courts if the full-recognition bill fails.

*****

According to the Washington Post, here are the states whose CHPs Virginia will no longer recognize effective February 1:

Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

The following permits will continue to be recognized: West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.

This does not mean we will lose our ability to [concealed] carry in every state in the first list, but I am certain we will lose some of them. An alert will come out whenever we learn about such a case. Either way, until February 1st, nothing should change.

*****

The Virginia State Police, on the advice of the Attorney General, has begun notifying the following states that Virginia will no longer recognize their concealed handgun permits.

Alaska

Arizona

Arkansas

Delaware #

Florida *

Idaho

Indiana

Kansas

Kentucky

Louisiana *

Minnesota #

Mississippi

Montana

Nebraska

New Mexico

North Dakota *

North Carolina

Ohio

Pennsylvania *

South Carolina *

South Dakota

Tennessee

Washington #

Wisconsin #

Wyoming *

* indicates states that will no longer recognize Virginia concealed handgun permits because of laws in those states that require mutual recognition of permits

# indicates states that do not currently recognize a Virginia concealed handgun permit

Concealed handgun permits from Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah, and West Virginia will continue to be recognized, as their process for issuing concealed handgun permits is adequate to prevent someone who would be denied a permit in Virginia from obtaining one.

*****

I just received an email from Gary Slider, who runs the www.handgunlaw.us website, and is thus in a position to know how Herring’s attack on CHP holders is going to affect us.

Here are the states where we won’t be able to carry using our Virginia permits after February 1st:

Delaware, Florida, Louisiana, New Mexico, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wyoming.

For those of you who have a Utah or a Florida non-resident permit, you will be able to carry in some of those states using that permit instead of your Virginia permit.



Source: www.vcdl.org
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Ceejay
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting. From talking with lifetime residents of this beautiful state, things have been getting progressively worse. Hopefully McAuliff doesn't last, but we as voters get to decide that.

My wife is talking about getting her CHP, some of which is because she like to shoot, some of which is based on other reasons, as such this is becoming something that I need to pay attention to a little more than I used to. Thanks for the info!
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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hopefully McAuliff doesn't last, but we as voters get to decide that.

Money and influence will determine whether he lasts - it's what got him elected in the first place.

And the damage he's already done/will do while in office will be enduring.

Virginia was a huge trophy for the left back in '13. And as for the Attorney General position, Mark Herring "won" the election over Mark Obenshain by only 165 votes (about the same percentage that 0bama "won" over Romney the last time around, and about the same percentage the Patrick Murphy "won" over Allen West down in Florida - probably just a coincidence...)

My wife is talking about getting her CHP, some of which is because she like to shoot, some of which is based on other reasons, as such this is becoming something that I need to pay attention to a little more than I used to.

I live in SW Virginia, and it's not uncommon for me to cover ground in three states (VA, NC and TN) during a day ride. Hence, I need to be up to speed on current carry laws x three when I'm out and about.

- By law do I have to declare that I'm armed during an encounter with an LEO, such as a traffic stop?
- Can I carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol?
- Can I carry in the non-secured portion of an airline terminal, say, when dropping off or picking up someone?
- Does a "No Guns" sign posted at the entrance of a private business carry the force of law?
- Can I carry in my vehicle on school grounds?
- Can I carry in a state agency building?
- Can I carry in a park? County park? State Park? Federal Park?
- Etc., etc.

And if I travel to other states, the job becomes even more difficult.

In one stroke of our AG's pen, an additional 20% of our nation has now been deemed off limits to me and my legally-obtained and carried handgun. I suspect that number will increase - typically, if one state doesn't recognize another in terms of reciprocity, the other state will return the favor in kind.

They may not be able to take our guns - yet - but there are plenty of other ways to infringe on our God-given right to keep and bear arms.

www.handgunlaw.us is a great resource, as is the VCDL.

Thanks for the thanks; you're welcome.

FB
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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In one stroke of our AG's pen, an additional 20% of our nation has now been deemed off limits to me and my legally-obtained and carried handgun.

Percentage-wise, it's even worse than I stated above. Prior to this there were 30 states that recognized my Virginia CHP. We've just lost eight of those states - a reduction of over 26% - and there will likely be more.

When all guns are outlawed, only outlaws and politicians (yes, I repeat myself) will have guns.

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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 04:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The CCL issue is so messed up here in the northeast.
We cross state lines to dine out or to go shopping.
All of these teeny states up north act like little kingdoms that don't recognize each other.

Getting a permit in Failachsetts is not the easiest thing either. It's not like they are just printing them out on a xerox and handing them out for 10 cents.

Also, if you look at the map, I can't escape the region without crossing NY state.
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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Dang, dude, what a 2nd Amendment mess y'all have got on your hands up there in the NE:



And on top of that, MA is a "may issue" state, not a "shall issue" state (which I think is what you were alluding to when you said, "Getting a permit in Failachsetts is not the easiest thing either. It's not like they are just printing them out on a xerox and handing them out for 10 cents.")

Vermont is a "permitless carry" state so you're good to go there, but beyond that you've got to journey clear to Ohio before your rights as a law-abiding American citizen are fully recognized.

That's F'd up, brother. : (
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Being a cwp holder, I have always wondered if when you cross into a state that does not honor your state's permit, should you throw your weapon in the weeds at the border rest area? Perhaps hide it in a rest area toilet tank in a plastic bag, to pick it up on your return trip?

Puts me in mind of 'Hunt For Red October' where the second in command asks his Captain if he can cross state lines in the US without papers when they become US citizens. His response was that no papers were needed.

Well I guess there are circumstances that can make you feel "caged" within your own state.

I have the lists of states that my state has reciprocity with. But those have changed several times over the past few years. The whole 2nd amendment and American freedom gets kind of grey area'd.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is a larger number of people every year that have decided not to consider carry legal except locally.

To be clear, in their home state they get approval and permits and when they cross into other states or cities like Chicago, they continue to pack. They just act with care and consider the law to be hostile to their rights.

These folk tend to be very polite, to exercise stealth with respect to traffic laws, & avoid all contact with LEO's. Or as one fellow told me "In NYC I act like a very polite mobster. I don't give offence, I am hyper aware of officials, & keep a low profile with the body language of a fellow predator just passing through."

He really really doesn't start trouble and figures if he has to defend himself he intends to walk away if possible.

I am certainly not advocating this approach. Otoh after the expected pro forma admonishment that he shouldn't do that, I sure don't give him grief either.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So the rationale used by the U.S. Supreme Court in redefining the definition of marriage for all the states was that what is accepted and legal in a majority of states must also be accepted by all states. That despite the fact that while 34 states did recognize same sex marriage, only 11 had done so via the state legislative process or passing by voter proposition. All the other 23 states had the issue mandated to them by judges.

So it was a VERY weak justification forced upon the people by the courts contrary to the majority will of the people, in whom the authority of the governed is supposed to rest.

The concealed handgun licensing however is the exact opposite. The vast majority of states have freely chosen to allow it, yet a minority refuse to do so and refuse to recognize the rights of people in other states.

Based on the same sex marriage decision, this issue will be a slam dunk when it gets to the Supreme Court, IF the court had any integrity. Big "if".

Interesting times we live in.



FB,
I think Texas recognizes all other state carry licenses regardless of the other state's reciprocity policy. Maybe some of the states in the new VA list are the same?

It's odd that VA still recognizes a Texas CHL, soon to be "HCL" (handgun carry license, concealment will no longer be mandatory starting next month). We now have one of the least rigorous licensing requirements. It's just a four hour course with written and shooting tests.


(Message edited by blake on December 23, 2015)
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Most, not all.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/legal/recipro city/
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good info Jeff.

So all but seven, and some of those don't require a carry license. I wonder what's up with the others. We recognize NY and CA.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 07:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think Ohio just passed legislation to support just about all other states permits.
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Mrlogix
Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 08:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ohio just changed the CHL licensing/reciprocity laws in March '15. Ohio now uses the National NCIC background check instead of the previous Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation background check and now recognizes any state that also uses the NCIC checks.
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Open letter from the Virginia Citizens Defense League yesterday afternoon:

quote:

THOUGHTS FOR OUR FELLOW OUT-OF-STATE CHP HOLDERS

First, I’d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.

All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.

This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.

It’s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as “lawless” by some of our own General Assembly members, many of who are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.

Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country are affected!

And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.

VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.

Sadly, we understand if you decide you can’t visit us until we can honor your permits. I’d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.

HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:

1. Open carry is legal in Virginia - no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don’t bat an eye. VCDL's website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here’s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia! ; )

2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.

3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia’s permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I’d go for the Utah permit.

Whatever you do, please don’t judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.

2) WHAT CAN BE DONE?

VCDL is working to fix "Herring’s Folly" from several angles.

a) A bill on VCDL’s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.

Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.

In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+fu l+HB12

b) The General Assembly’s “Power of the Purse” can be used in different ways to help with this battle

c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe’s actions

d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, “X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring’s actions.” 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:

http://tinyurl.com/pajlh9x

d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I’ll bet he’ll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!


3) DON’T FORGET TO KEEP PUSHING PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO COMMENT ON MCAULIFFE’S STATE-AGENCY BAN

As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe’s gun ban!

That's nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven’t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on “Enter a comment” to get started:

http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/L/Comments.cfm?St ageID=7379

Here’s an article on McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:

http://bearingdrift.com/2015/12/23/abc-goes-gun-fr ee-before-holidays-privatization-resurrected-as-vc dl-fights/

or

http://tinyurl.com/gpmf2nu


4) DETAILS ON THE BUSES COMING TO LOBBY DAY WILL BE READY VERY SOON

The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!


5) MARK YOUR CALENDARS: VCDL MEETING IN RICHMOND AREA ON DECEMBER 29!

VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.

We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent "audit" by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.

We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.

The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.

Location:

Glen Allen Library
10501 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060

Time:

7:00 pm - 8:30 pm

Continued Fellowship:

Nuevo Mexico Restaurante
10282 Staples Mill Road
Glen Allen, VA 23060
www.nuevomexicorestaurante.com


FINALLY - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!



Source: www.vcdl.org
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Fb1
Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2015 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's odd that VA still recognizes a Texas CHL, soon to be "HCL" (handgun carry license, concealment will no longer be mandatory starting next month). We now have one of the least rigorous licensing requirements. It's just a four hour course with written and shooting tests.

Blake, I suspect this is only the opening salvo in this mess. If our AG gets away with this, I expect even more states to come into our crosshairs down the road.
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, December 27, 2015 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't believe that Illinois recognizes carry permits from any state. Pretty crappy of them, especially considering the geographic bottleneck that forces so many people traveling by road to venture through our pile of suck.
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Tootal
Posted on Monday, December 28, 2015 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are correct Sifo. Blake is right on too. It amazes me how the "Bill of Rights" are to be inalienable, meaning "God given" yet the states have any say in that. If I have the God given right to Keep and Bear Arms then that should be the Right of every American citizen!

So much of the States rights have been lost to the Federal Government, since Senators are now elected by the people, yet our Federal rights are limited by the states! Makes no sense to me at all!!
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Macbuell
Posted on Monday, December 28, 2015 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I thought your car was considered your private property and as such you were allowed to have a weapon in your car and this was regardless of state / location? Is this correct? That would mean you couldn't carry it outside the vehicle in certain states but that's what i thought.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, December 28, 2015 - 10:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's more along the lines that they aren't allowed to just search it without due cause.
If you make sure nothing is showing from your windows and you don't have illegal tints, they aren't supposed to be able to search you.

That having been said, I have had my shit searched many times in the past only because I used to work second shift and it would be 01:00 I was the only tool out on the road. Suspicious! Also, my cars were usually pretty scary looking. I went through a 12-15 year stretch that no car I owned was worth more than $500 : )
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 09:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't believe that Illinois recognizes carry permits from any state.

Correct:

quote:

Illinois does not honor any other states Permit/License.



Source: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/illinois.pdf


Pretty crappy of them, especially considering the geographic bottleneck that forces so many people traveling by road to venture through our pile of suck.

I interpret the verbiage below to mean a non-resident CAN carry in their vehicle while venturing through your "pile of suck." Agree? Emphasis mine:

quote:

You can’t carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle without a valid Permit/license.
430 ILCS 66/40
(e) Nothing in this Act shall prohibit a non-resident from transporting a concealed firearm within his or her vehicle in Illinois, if the concealed firearm remains within his or her vehicle and the non-resident:
(1) is not prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm under federal law;
(2) is eligible to carry a firearm in public under the laws of his or her state or territory of residence, as
evidenced by the possession of a concealed carry license or permit issued by his or her state of
residence, if applicable; and
(3) is not in possession of a license under this Act. If the non-resident leaves his or her vehicle unattended, he or she shall store the firearm within a locked vehicle or locked container within the vehicle in accordance with subsection (b) of Section 65 of this Act. (Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13.)
Subsection (b) of Section 65 States:
(b) Notwithstanding subsections (a), (a-5), and (a-10) of this Section except under paragraph (22) or (23) of subsection (a), any licensee prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm into the parking area of a prohibited location specified in subsection (a), (a-5), or (a-10) of this Section shall be permitted to carry a concealed firearm on or about his or her person within a vehicle into the parking area and may store a firearm or ammunition concealed in a case within a locked vehicle or locked container out of plain view within the vehicle in the parking area. A licensee may carry a concealed firearm in the immediate area surrounding his or her vehicle within a prohibited parking lot area only for the limited purpose of storing or retrieving a firearm within the vehicle's trunk. For purposes of this subsection, "case" includes a glove compartment or console that completely encloses the concealed firearm or ammunition, the trunk of the vehicle, or a firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container.
Section 5. Definitions. As used in this Act:
"Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed from view of the public or on or about a person within a vehicle.
Note: If you stop you can store the loaded handgun in the vehicle in a closed compartment in a locked vehicle or in a locked case out of view in the vehicle. You can only leave your vehicle with a loaded handgun to store it in the trunk and retrieve it from the trunk right before you enter your vehicle. You can store it as specified in the law above.
Note: 20 IL Administrative Rules Section 1231.10 Definitions "Within a Vehicle" means within the passenger compartment of a passenger or recreational vehicle or within a lockable container secured to a motorcycle.

Note: If you are traveling and don’t interrupt your trip for sightseeing or to get a room for the night but only stop for food and fuel you can transport an unloaded stored firearm under federal law 18-926A. As long as you are traveling you fall under federal law. If you stop you then fall under state law.



Source: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/illinois.pdf


When I travel I study the carry laws of any state I plan on passing through. Several years ago on a coast-to-coast road trip I bypassed Illinois altogether because of your draconian gun laws, even though on this particular journey it would've been more convenient to cut across Illinois.

Perhaps I could've actually carried legally while traversing your state?

FB
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There was a case a few years back about someone who was stopped with a gun that was locked inside of his center console. As I recall, much of the case hinged on if the lockable console met the requirement for a lockable "gun case". In the end, they decided that the lockable console met that requirement. The firearm is also supposed to be unloaded. That means no rounds in any magazines.

I've always traveled with a padlock on my gun case(s) in Illinois. That was because in my van, you had no place like the trunk to put them behind a lock. Door locks don't count. It has to be locked away from the occupants of the car. Don't waste too much time thinking that through. Of course that all changes with a valid CCL. If you don't live in IL, you don't have a CCL that is valid in IL though.

Cook county has a history of taking your guns regardless of how they are stored. You want your $1000 gun back. No problem, just hire a lawyer and spend thousands filing endless court motions to recover it. It's a silly legal game designed to cost gun owners money.

Having said all of that, the authorities are likely to be far more sympathetic to gun owners as you get into central and southern IL. Your best bet is still to have it unloaded and behind a lock though.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What about our fourth amendment rights? We're not supposed to be getting searched without just cause.

I know a guy... not me, but I guy I know... carries a firearm not registered to him literally everywhere. Banks, schools, airports right up to the security checkpoint (but not beyond), church, literally everywhere. Been stopped in the car, commercial truck, motorcycle, and never once been searched.

So, what gives? How are people losing their guns at a traffic stop?
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been through 2 complete car searches. If you are speeding, that provides "probable cause". Don't like it? You are free to fight them in court. Out on the shoulder of the road though, the cop with the gun is the law in the immediate area. I know you know better than to confront an armed officer at that point.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How? Honesty.

Officer asks, you answer truthfully, if you're not in a free place, trouble.

One of the "Roadkill" videos has the editors of Hot rod magazine crossing into Alaska in a junker Ranchero.
At the border they admit they still have some fireworks and beer they bought in Canada and offer to throw it away. The border guard laughs and tells them they are in America, not California.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 05:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Matt,

What is this "registered" of which you speak?

In Most states only SBRs and other NFA regulated items must be registered.
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Fb1
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Your best bet is still to have it unloaded and behind a lock though.

Which, of course, does absolutely NO good in a "Quick! Save your life!" scenario.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Which, of course, does absolutely NO good in a "Quick! Save your life!" scenario.

That's what 911 is for!
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - 09:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No worries. The criminal will have to unlock and load up their weapon before they can shoot you too.

(Because, of course, it is illegal for them to shoot you with a weapon they carried loaded. Duh-uuh! )
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Mtnmason
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 06:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can't believe I missed this thread when it started. As a native Virginian with a VA CHL, I look at this whole situation and laugh at the Clinton cronies embedded in Va.

Probably already stated somewhere in the thread but I haven't had the time to read through it all - this represents two things:

1 - payback move to Bloomberg for the cash injections (I'm sure most here already know that)

2 - Political bell weather move to see if they can take this elsewhere with any degree of success. They probably already have their answer on this one.

One reason my reaction was to laugh instead of become angry over this --- I know the VCDL and how they operate. VCDL makes the NRA look like a bunch of 2A moderates.

A real message would be sent by way of a re-call election for Herring (remember what happened in Colorado not too long ago...).

Fear not Virginians! VCDL is on your side and will get the job done as they have time and time again.

!!!!! SIC SEMPER TYRANNUS !!!!!
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Fb1
Posted on Wednesday, December 30, 2015 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Virginia lawmaker wants to defund Gov. McAuliffe's armed guards over gun dispute
By Adam Shaw · Published December 30, 2015 · FoxNews.com

A Virginia state senator has thrown down the gauntlet with Democratic Gov. Terry McAuliffe in a brewing battle over gun rights -- pushing to defund the governor’s armed bodyguards unless he revokes an [executive] order that banned firearms in most state buildings.

“It’s easy for someone who is surrounded by armed state policemen to tell someone else they can’t carry a weapon to protect themselves,” Republican state Sen. Charles W. Carrico Sr. told FoxNews.com.

....Republican lawmakers, including Carrico, also are working on legislation that would counteract a separate decision from the state's attorney general.

Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring announced last week that the state would no longer recognize concealed carry permits from 25 states. He claimed those states had looser rules, and called the decision a “common-sense step” to make Virginia safer, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported.

The GOP legislation being drafted would require Virginia to recognize concealed carry permits from all states.

“I’m not a seasoned politician, I’m just an individual who cares about my constituents,” Carrico said. "I spent 15 years as a state trooper protecting their rights, and I am very concerned about the liberal left going after these constitutional rights and it concerns me that we have people who are in the position Governor McAuliffe is in, and using his executive powers to take those away.”

...“I may not have a lot of power, but I'm going to use the power I have to protect constitutional rights of individuals in my district. These are the people I represent, the 230,000 I represent, I’m going to fight for them regardless if you’re President 0bama or Governor McAuliffe. The one thing they’ll tell you is I’m not afraid to fight.”



Source, more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/12/30/va-lawm aker-wants-to-defund-gov-mcauliffes-armed-guards-o ver-gun-dispute.html


Bravo Senator Carrico.
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Mtnmason
Posted on Thursday, December 31, 2015 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring announced last week that the state would no longer recognize concealed carry permits from 25 states. He claimed those states had looser rules, and called the decision a “common-sense step” to make Virginia safer, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported.

This is hilarious. In many Va jurisdictions you can obtain your CHL almost completely online. The only things you have to show up for is to furnish the certificate and pay for the background check and to present your ID when picking up the card and paying the fee. NC on the other hand (my current state of residence since I fled shortly after the McAuliffe election (Pat McCrory is pretty awesome btw)) - requires applicants to "qualify" at the range in addition to something crazy like 8 classroom hours IIRC, as does Georgia and several others states as well, I'm sure. I attended a training session for my Va CHL as opposed to doing it online. It was a mere 3 hour ordeal.

So, in fact, there is a much stronger case for arguing that Va's requirements are too lose. Logic would follow that anyone who is going to jump thru the hoops to obtain their CHL is going to also acquire the proper training/familiarization with their choice weapon(s). If they choose not to - does that put the public at danger? I'm not too convinced it does.

All my life I've heard people exclaim how "gun-friendly" Texas is. Apparently, these folks have never lived in Va.
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