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Midknyte
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Everyone's coming out with a Scrambler...

What's the difference between these and the flat trackers that so many want the Sportster to be?
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 - 05:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've had two "scramblers" in my time. A nice 305 Honda and a nicer yet 650 BSA. Both were more ascetic value then functionally. Both had performance motors and high pipes.

I believe scramblers were made more like dirt bikes to scramble from place to place usually in the dirt but hard surface also. They had to maneuver well and turn well left and right. Very old school. Many old riders on HD's did in fact "scramble".

Now true flat trackers have a distinctive "look" but are made to do one thing very well, turn left and go fast. They usually also have very high performance motors, a high right hand peg and pipes that do not matter much but always on the right, out of the way of your left leg and hot shoe on the ground in the turns. Both types of bikes usually have flat wide bars for good leverage and control.

Now a days both are usually "for the look" as are cafe racers. One of the very best ever were HD's XR 750's still competitive today and which many bikes are made to look like. Just my take FWIW.

After I fabbed this(below) 86 cu. in. Sporty into a cafe racer in the 70's my next project was indeed a flat track look with XR seat and tank and with the same high pipes. Many fun projects. Pictured also is my rendition of a flat tracker and a Honda cafe/tracker.








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Buellish
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those are some very cool pipes on that '86 incher Bob.
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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A true street tracker is a more purpose based machine built from the ground up on specialty frames.

A scrambler as the manufacturers are producing them are essentially road bikes with minimal off road amenities. Some, as some shops and individuals are building them, are lowered dual sports with old school styles.



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Rick_a
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 - 11:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anything can be done. It's only money.





It may make sense for a 3rd bike.
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Jon
Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 - 11:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This is partly at least where the new Buell should go.
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 - 12:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Buell MoCo is dead. You mean EBR?
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 - 06:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

last I checked, EBR is dead too
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 - 09:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They're coming back, no?
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 - 09:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thd Ducati Scrambler shows some versatility:


The current SR400 has a lot of potential as well.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Guzzi V7 racer is a favorite of mine. If I had money to throw around, I would most likely grab one of those.
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86129squids
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Ducks are my fave so far... and although I like the Yammie's looks, it's WAAAAY down on HP unfortunately.

I've seen some dang awesome airhead Beemers hacked up properly for café/scrambler results... it's interesting that the OEM's are working up some designs and such.
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Those are some sweet rides Rick and I would have any one of them. I always wanted to build a 650 Yamaha twin into one when they were having some good success in AMA flat track. Maybe next time around. My last build, about 2 years ago, from frame up: a 500 Suzuki I called a DR500 Victor after BSA's early racer. Maybe a boarder line street tracker but a fair cafe racer.



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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the education guys.

And, oh hey, now there's this

http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/the-ducati-scramb ler-flat-track-pro-is-here-because-tu-1744295224?u tm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign= Feed%3A+jalopnik%2Ffull+%28Jalopnik%29
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Etennuly
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2015 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To the best of my recollection the 1960's scramblers high pipes were high in order to ford water crossings. I recall Honda, Zuki',and Yamahammer promoting this as a larger bike with better capabilities than the fabulous 1960's Honda Trail 90's(first bike I hitched a ride on) with their high pipe and ability to go on road or off.

The Scrambler bikes came with the semi-knobby tires, a little more suspension travel, and slightly lower gearing than street bikes, some with a two speed transfer gear case behind a four or five speed, and some with dual sprockets and a chain section. The larger displacement engines did away with the need for the gear changing.

How do I recall such a thing from the late 1960's you ask?? Well it is all I dreamed about when I was a lad of twelve years of age. I had every picture and brochure I could find posted on my bedroom walls.

The first bike I rode was my brothers two stroke Bridgstone 90, low pipe, street bike, stripped and adapted for dirt(true POS). Around fourteen or so the second bike I ever rode by myself was my uncle's Honda 305 Dream Scrambler. My first experience with torque. Such a cool(albeit heavy)semi off road bike. After crashing both(without damage to me or the bikes), of course I wasn't allowed to get a bike until I was eighteen.
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86129squids
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2015 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My first bike was a TS125 Suzook, which I eventually cafe'ed out- replaced the 21" front with a 19", added quarter fairing, and all the performance mods I could think of.
Someone local to me has the bigger brother to my bike, same year, sano, and DANG I'd like to get it!

I also would like one of the predecessors to that TS- they were 2smokes, but with a dual-range tranny!
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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, November 30, 2015 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a bike that belongs here...
Built it for the first wife from 3 engines and 2 rolling chassis.





1967-8 Triumph 500 Daytona twin-carb. T100?

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86129squids
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2015 - 12:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Neat lookin' Triumph! I had a '68 TR6R for a while, fun, but geared way too short, and I never was a great mechanic, much less having any Whitworth wrenches....
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2015 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice job on the Triumph Zac and it brought up very old memories of two of my earliest scramblers pictured below; a '65 Honda 305 w/low pipes and a real nice 67 BSA Hornet. Sorry about the old pictures but riding was more important then pictures at the time. The bikes, however, were great. Anybody remember "snuff-or-nots" exhaust baffles made then? WTF were those? Needed to tone things down a little with straight pipes on both bikes back "in the day". Bob






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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2015 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


cafe


Best viewed at a distance. : ) And available for interesting trades... like a KLR or an M2. It almost even runs right at the moment! ; )
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