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     Fb1 |
The Drudge poll as of a few moments ago:
Source: http://drudgereport.com/now1.htm | ||
| Macbuell |
Candidates I want to drop out immediately and never be heard from again ... Christie and Bush. | ||
| Fb1 |
Bush was planned all along to be the R nominee, and all the rest (excluding Trump and Cruz) are running as nomination "splitters." The powers that be knew he'd be a weak candidate (I doubt they ever anticipated he'd be showing THIS poorly, however), and needed a way to get him nominated. Their plan/goal is/was to get Bush or the Beest into the White House - didn't/doesn't matter which one; for their purposes they're both the same. Then Trump came along and messed up their plans. If you imagine for a moment that Trump isn't running, and study how the R nomination process works, then Bush is likely the R nominee, even as weakly as he's showing. Trump tossing his hat in the ring, AND gaining the traction that he has (see poll numbers above), has the bad guys losing a lot of sleep. Christie, nor any of the other R candidates (again, not including Trump for a moment), were NEVER meant to win the nomination; their (not including Cruz, and perhaps Paul) job is splitters for Bush. The bad guys want Bush or the Beest; doesn't matter which, they'll get everything their way with either candidate in office. Trump has messed things up BIG time. Which is a good thing, IMO. (Message edited by fb1 on October 29, 2015) | ||
| Fb1 |
If Trump were in fact elected, do you think it would be possible to separate his responsibilities as leader of our country from his responsibilities to his business empire? Sifo, in essence you're asking me if I think Trump is corrupt? No, I don't think so. This question could be asked, with only slight variation, to ANY of the candidates, R, D or otherwise. None of them have Trump's wealth, of course, but compared to me ANY of them are wealthy beyond my wildest dreams. I've listened to a lot of Trump. He's not particularly "smooth" as an orator, but he's not spent his career as a career politician; he's spent his career becoming successful on HIS back, not ours. He wants secure borders, he does NOT want amnesty, he does NOT want Common (rotten to the) Core, he DOES want our military to be mighty again, and to take care of our vets, and he's very, very pro-Constitution, including the 2nd Amendment. Do you believe him when he states his beliefs and views? I do. The guy's got a lot on the line, including the safety of not only himself, but his family. I wish he could speak with the grace and elegance of Ronald Reagan. Alas, he doesn't. And I've decided I can easily live with that. He's the ONLY one running who can't be bought. And, I *think* he's the only one running who can't be intimidated. I remember THE EXACT DAY during the last campaign that Romney woke up with a severed horse's head in his bed. My fears were confirmed during the so-called debates between teh won/Mitt Romney, and Crazy Uncle Joe/Paul Ryan: Romney and Ryan had both been made offers they couldn't refuse. And now I see they're doing some of the heavy lifting for the bad guys running the White House. Damn shame. Back to your question: Do I think Trump is corrupt? No. Do I think, if he were elected, that he'd use his power as president to increase his wealth? No, I don't. Put another way: Do I think he's a true patriot? Yes, I do. | ||
| Fb1 |
PS: Look at the poll results from last night I posted above; those are incredible numbers for Trump. I'm obviously not the only one who believes he's for real. Trump has tapped into the wave of fed-up conservative Americans (and I'm certainly one of them) we saw rise up at the ballot box in 2010, and again in 2012. Godspeed, Mr. Trump. | ||
| Fb1 |
Interesting stuff that I just lifted from a commenter at CTH. This is the original press release from CNBC back in January about last night's debate. Emphasis mine...
...and the commenter's synopsis of how the
Brilliant. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2015/10/29/cnb c-and-jeb-bush-commit-suicide-in-boulder/?singlepa ge=true http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/10/28/what-ted-cruz -just-did-is-so-much-more-than-an-applause-line/ Don't know about Mr. Cruz's stand on a bunch of issues I'm concerned with, but I have to give him big points for finally speaking truth to Pravda. FB1.... Fiorina? My Sainted Mother hates her, partly because she was told to, ( Mom is a Hillary fan, and to mention that she lies gets an irrational response ) and partly because of stuff at AT&T I wasn't told. Since we are being TOLD to hate her, I support her running. Would she be a good President? Maybe not as great as George Washington, but so much better than Hillary. OTOH, I know invertebrates that would be better than Hillary. Some Octopus species are obviously smarter than Joe Biden. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Well thanks for copy and pasting and bunch of crap. I like that someone broke down the questions each candidate got, but to alter the questions into what they have is ridiculous and helps no one. Maybe its their sad attempt at humor. Attempt. | ||
| Sifo |
FB1, thanks for the thoughts. He's the ONLY one running who can't be bought. True. At least he's the only one who can't be bought by someone else. From there, it does become a question of his reasons for wanting the office. I won't claim to have actual knowledge of that, but I have concerns. I will admit that I see a corrupt Trump as being far better for our nation than any of the offerings from the other side. My real concerns with Trump is that he has stated how he will just "do" certain things. He's certainly used to doing things that way in his corporations, but that isn't how our government was set up to be run. To take him at his word, he would be in the same category as BO. While there's a part of me who simply wants to say "paybacks are a bitch", and hope that the Progressives will learn a lesson from this, I have little hope of them ever changing their views. Corruption is part of their DNA. I see zero evidence to the contrary. I don't want to see the other side fall to the same level of corruption. Perhaps it's already too late. I really don't know. I agree that Bush is not the right choice. He represents too much of what is wrong with our country right now. Many of the other choices are lacking depth of experience in numerous areas. For the life of me, I don't know how someone like Allen West was unable to traction when he ran. It really does feel like having front row seat for the fall of a great nation. Hybrid, did you watch the debate? | ||
| Fb1 |
Sifo, you're welcome. For the life of me, I don't know how someone like Allen West was unable to traction when he ran. His congressional seat was stolen from him in the most blatant vote fraud you're ever going to see (the 2012 presidential election was a close second); I chronicled it here in depth on BWB as it was happening. Allen West represents the ultimate danger to the progs in this country: An ultra-smart, ultra-patriotic, extremely outspoken BLACK man. Remember what happened to Herman Cain? That was Allen West, on steroids. They even went after his wife and kids. Allen West is a mighty man, but even he is susceptible to offers that can't be refused. My hope is that if Trump wins the presidency he finds a spot in his administration for Lt. Col. West. | ||
| Fb1 |
Here are Trump's positions and goals on tax reform... https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform ...immigration reform... https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration -reform ...and our Second Amendment rights: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amen dment-rights Good stuff, no?  | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Why only 3 positions posted? He needs to put more info on his site. I can't believe people are polling for him with just that info. Reminds of how Obama got in office. Not saying I don't agree with his positions but there are many more that could sway voters either way. (unless there is another website??) | ||
| Sifo |
Trump believes that assault weapons should be banned, “who needs them except criminals and police?” http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Trump/Gun- Control.php  "We must have universal healthcare," wrote Trump. "I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one." http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-supports-nati onal-health-care-2011-4#ixzz3jK1uaFOi I am now pro-life; after years of being pro-choice http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Donald_Trump_Abor tion.htm OK, I like that he is now pro-life, but it took him way to many years of life to figure that one out. | ||
| Aesquire |
So Trump believes that made up names are good enough reason to violate your rights? Or he's so ignorant of the subject he goes by polls and the lies of the folk who have long been on the side of slavery and forbidding weapons to their descendants? Not good. I don't favor the Donald because he thinks it grand that your property can be taken from you and sold to him, since he is wise and will pay more in taxes than you. | ||
| Fb1 |
Sifo, I clicked on your first link, and THIS is all they have:
Seriously? You're trying to give the guy a Second Amendment demerit on THIS? ^^^ They (I haven't taken the time to see who owns the site, who owns the owners of the site, etc.) bang on Trump with a little parse of something he perhaps said, which is perhaps taken out of context, and conveniently provide no source for EXACTLY what was asked of him (in full), and his EXACT reply (in full) ? And you're basing (at least part of) your opinion of Trump on THAT? I'll not follow your other links; that was a waste of my (and your) time. EDIT: Dayum, on re-read my reply sure sounds snarky. Sorry about that, amigo. (Message edited by fb1 on October 30, 2015) | ||
| Fb1 |
PS: FOX News has been compromised, IMO. Murdoch is the likely reason... | ||
| Aesquire |
Ok Fb1, thank you. I finally had a chance to read the Trump site on 2nd amendment. He's not the tool that "quote" shows. Be careful. All of us. Barry has never signed a budget and the R leadership just screwed us all by eliminating any hope of limiting spending until after the Prez election. The R leadership hates the up and coming reform candidates more than the D's. Far more than they dislike Bernie. Expect vicious, untrue, outright lies about Carson, Trump, Cruz, etc. Expect them from the Jeb campaign. Expect them on social media. ESPECIALLY expect lies to be repeated daily on malpractice media. Do yourself a big favor and check before falling for the Big Lies to come. I may not be in favor of the Donald. But I want it to be for a real reason, not something made up by a Bush minion. Like Bernie. I don't want him because his religion is a murderous one based on lies. He seems never to have had what I'd call an honest productive job. ( but you can't tell from his wiki advertisement ) I don't like Jeb because he talks like someone who has taken huge bribes from really rich people to get cheap imported labor at the expense of working Americans. And he is/has taken huge bribes. | ||
| Fb1 |
Ok Fb1, thank you. I finally had a chance to read the Trump site on 2nd amendment. He's not the tool that "quote" shows. Muchas gracias, amigo. That "quote" attributed to him isn't really a quote at all, of course, and they didn't list the source. Unscrupulous, at best. Be careful. All of us. Barry has never signed a budget and the R leadership just screwed us all by eliminating any hope of limiting spending until after the Prez election. Good advice, and yes they did. There is ZERO difference between the R leadership and the D leadership - absolutely zero. They (the R's) have shit-canned the mandate handed down by conservative Americans in 2010 and 2012. They have flipped us the bird in no uncertain terms. They, just like the D's, really don't even try to hide it anymore - the present admin has gotten away with so much shit, for so long, that they think they're immune, or above the law. Sadly, it looks like they might be right. I mentioned FOX News above because they have been a go-to for years for honest political reporting. Alas, they have been compromised, and can no longer be trusted, IMO. Megyn Kelly must have been made an offer she couldn't refuse, too... | ||
| Sifo |
The three statements attributed to Trump were posted for a single reason, and the sources I got them from were posted for that same reason. I'm unsure what to think of Trump. I've heard a variety of things, including what I posted. If it's BS, I'd like to hear the truth. If it's not BS, that's good to know too. We sure didn't learn much about the candidates from the last debate. The whitewash from a candidates own propaganda site isn't always exactly an impartial and complete source of the truth. That's a fact, not only for Trump, but for all the candidates. I've learned a lot from these political discussions around here. I've been corrected a number of times too. I appreciate that sort of reality check on my take on things. I'm not sold on any one candidate. I don't know if I will be this year. I just hope that the pick the country makes is better than simply, it's not Hillary. I really want to do better than that! | ||
| Aesquire |
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/10/29/internal-memo -bush-wins-because-voters-have-attention-deficit-d isorder/ Even if this is 80% BS, I buy the base premise completely. Jeb is so much not what we need. In fact pretty much everyone who works to get him elected should probably be hunted down and shipped off to Syria ( the following 7 pages of obscene suggestions on what to do to the Republican Leadership redacted to avoid boring you and.... prison ) | ||
| Fb1 |
The three statements attributed to Trump were posted for a single reason, and the sources I got them from were posted for that same reason. Sifo, again, apologies for my snarky reply to you above, totally uncalled for. But, I don't understand attributing a particular stance to Trump (or any of the other candidates, for that matter) to an unattributed sound bite (or, more accurately in this case, an "eye bite"?). Can you help me out on why this "quote" and source were used? Thanks. The following may or may not bore you to tears, but late in the Romney/Ryan campaign I got an e-mail from a staunchly conservative friend of mine who was angry because Romney was suddenly backpeddling on 0bamacare. He said, based on Romney's sudden "endorsement" of at least portions of 0bamacare, that Romney was cut from the same cloth as 0bama, and no different than 0bama. I was surprised to hear this coming from Romney, and asked for a source. Romney's new-found support of portions of 0bamacare was all of a sudden being widely reported at the time, even on FOX, and I suspected it was a coordinated media hit taking place. My friend, after some prompting, finally dug up a link to an online article on FOX. I followed the link and found a six-paragraph story on what Romney said about the subject of 0bamacare (during a televised sit-down interview with George Stephanopoulos on Meet the Press). I read the piece and easily recognized the hit being perpetuated. I then did a little digging and found a video link to the actual interview and listened to it in it's entirety. Interestingly (but not surprisingly), they (FOX) used a grand total of 27 words that Romney said in his reply to a question from Stephanopoulos. (For comparison's sake, the preceding sentence contains 24 words.) In other words, in a lengthy, detailed reply from Romney to a question on the subject of 0bamacare, FOX parsed out a total of 27 words, two short snips from two separate sentences, and one actual complete (ten-word) sentence. It was a hit job through and through. FOX was relatively subliminal in their condemnation of Romney in the piece (although the intent to damage him in the eyes of the voting public was blatant and, ultimately, effective, especially coming from a right-wing source), but the left-wing "news" sources were considerably more brutal in their reporting on Romney's change of heart. They all used this particular interview, and very similar parsing of Romney's words, in the coming days to cut him off at the knees in the eyes of the public on the subject of 0bamacare. And the hit, as it turns out, was a complete and total success. My point in all of this is that I don't trust ANY so-called news source to tell me what a particular candidate said, or to tell me what a candidates's views and beliefs are. I want to read (or hear, as the case may be) exactly what the candidate was asked, and their complete reply. Why? Well, because I know the media (including FOX, it appears) is corrupt and working in concert with the traitors running our country. I know they'll parse and spin and wag the dog to suit their agenda, and I know they're damn good at it. Subtle, but brutally effective. Pravda on 'roids, and much of America doesn't even notice. So getting back to Trump's alleged position on "assault weapons" that you linked to above, that's a hit "quote" on him, IMO. They parsed a little snip of something he (allegedly) said on the subject (where's the link to the original source?) in order to achieve the desired result. Totally unfair, but brilliantly effective. One last time: I'm sorry for the tone of my reply last night. Humble apologies. FB | ||
| Sifo |
FB, no apologies needed. I agree that those links have the smell of potential hit pieces. I wish I knew the details of their origins. I wish I knew Trumps reaction to these allegations. I wish the debates would get into some real issues. It's just as bad when media hides a candidates issues. That's part of why I invite these discussions. If you felt I was trying to do a hit on Trump, I apologize for that. I do have some issues with him, as I do all the candidates. Still sorting things out. Still wondering who will be on the ballet when I actually have to put pen to paper and make my choice. Meanwhile, more discussion is better than less IMO. Great to have you back posting again BTW! | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426317/ben-c arson-black-conservative?target=author&tid=897 Or consider the aforementioned Eugene Robinson, who routinely sees racial bias in Republicans. “I can’t say that the people holding ‘Take Back Our Country’ signs were racists,” he wrote in 2014, recalling a tea-party rally four years earlier, “but I know this rallying cry arose after the first African-American family moved into the White House.” Wrong. Howard Dean, Hillary Clinton, and John Kerry all used the slogan incessantly when George W. Bush was in office. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Slaughter |
Debates are meaningless. Rehearsed posturing. They only serve to impress those with a belief in GOD-like micro-managing government to solve all their piss-ant problems. We could save a tremendous amount of aggravation and just ask each candidate to name his/her VP and cabinet since that will tell far more about the TYPE of people they will be relying upon for the operation of "their" government. I pointedly ignore debates. Frustrating on the Left or the Right. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
All the R candidates are chumps for even doing the debate, knowing the bias that CNBC has before they arrived | ||
| Aesquire |
Based on that logic they'd all stay home. Except for Jeb. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
lol Id just like to see a DECENT debate, not one where the moderators attack and provoke the candidates. One that deals with the real issues. Also, I'd like to see some folks drop out and give more time to the candidates with a chance (if you have 3% or something then theres a HUGE chance it aint your year etc) | ||
| Oldog |
I find my self agreeing with Hybrid. But the pres is 1/3 of the "functioning" government. I would like to see supreme court justices serve no more than 8 years, as we do not elect them. Also if you either did not serve in the military or you don't pay taxes you don't vote. that reduces the non paying free stuff vote contingent. not that the system will ever change.... You have to wonder if Slaughter's idea of having to list cabinet and vp pics would not provide some insight to the candidate's thinking... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Do you not pay income taxes when you are in the military? If you do then I am not sure why you would purposely add that stipulation in |
