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Ourdee
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Rick.

"...eliminating self defense as a legal construct."
You got that right!
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm watching the Movement To Make Them Peasants in NY with interest, since I live here.

I also have a deep interest in History and point out that disarming the population is not new, not original, and will not ever end, as long as evil exists and people want to rule without consent.

I usually point out that in Japan, the Sword was forbidden to peasants. Only the Aristocracy and their Guards & Troops could carry one. You get stopped by a cop in Kyoto a century ago with a Katana? You would be executed. Today? Serious jail time. ( things have improved only incrementally )

There's a reason all those Martial Arts weapons you see in the movies are farm implements. "Numb-chucks" (nunchaku)? Rice flails, used to beat the rice grains off the stalks. Those weird hooks on sticks? ( kama ) used to cut rice stalks. Sai? Dirt cheap easy to make by the village blacksmith, also not edged, so a loophole weapon. Scythes? They are scythes. What did you think they were?

The reason is a guy with an obvious weapon was feared by the unarmed, and feared by the aristocracy, who didn't want competition in the rape and plunder department, and, yeah, were not well liked, because of that.

It's all about the monopoly of force.

Tyrants don't like competition. Competition kills them. It's a valid fear.

So those who want to disarm you, are, by their nature, cowardly tyrants, who just haven't had their shot at raping your daughters, because, you, you horrible people, shoot back.

It's really that simple.
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, November 15, 2017 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I also have a deep interest in History and point out that disarming the population is not new, not original, and will not ever end, as long as evil exists and people want to rule without consent.



It is unfathomable that people can be led to believe that removing one implement will somehow magically change human nature, when people have been killing each other since the first time a human murdered another with a club, stick, or stone.

The history of weaponry is fascinating, mostly in that our efficiency to kill one another has reached a point of saturation. While world governments hold ultimate power and authority, they're acting like a hundred million people with guns is a big deal. Wouldn't want to make world domination messy, now would we?

The way Democrats and their minions pontificate, you'd think "Australian style gun control" would cure all ills. The problem is it managed to do nothing at great cost...but let the tyrants and sycophants play the role of virtuous do-gooders.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 05:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's probably been mentioned here already, but confiscation would be applied unevenly. Many otherwise law abiding citizens would turn in their guns, many would not; but it is hard to imagine that many of the guns used to murder minorities in Chicago and elsewhere would be voluntarily turned in. By definition, the first group has guns for peaceful purposes and the second has them for killing rivals and protecting themselves from the rivals they want to kill. Which group has the higher body count? Which group votes for the gun grabber party?

That would be great duty for policemen and ATF agents, going door to door in gangland.

(Message edited by ducbsa on November 16, 2017)
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, November 16, 2017 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know how Chicago tries to explain their gun problems. How does London explain it?

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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 01:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've heard it explained that since liberals don't have to deal with gang violence in their neighborhoods, that it's not a problem worth discussing. White men killing other white people can happen most anywhere, therefore it of utmost concern.

They're totally cereal about it.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 06:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Really, the earlier observation that anti civil rights folk don't trust themselves not to slaughter people is spot on. Transference. They can't believe you can own several guns and enjoy target shooting and hunting and not give in to the impulse to kill your neighbors.

The sheep, wolf, sheepdog analogy also frightens them. They don't want to believe that wolves exist and blame the police for provoking them.

Ditto the myth of Islamaphobia. Never mind that you can read the manual and quote the orders to enslave them, it's you. It can't be the real threat.

They never protested the Soviets. The hundreds of millions murdered must be OUR oppression's fault.
It's a mass Stockholm syndrome.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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It's a mass Stockholm syndrome



It is mind boggling that half the civilized world can be immune to apparent truths.

When you're told that truth is based on belief, emotion, and ideology instead of facts, I suppose it's a natural result.

The Vulcans would be find it most illogical.
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 09:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There's also the sincere belief that the criminal element (at least the non white ones) are oppressed and therefore victims of circumstance, while the police and law abiding folks that disagree are all oppressors and therefore the enemy.

When the ideology is broken down from its convoluted self justifications with eloquent and impressive descriptors and terms...it just sounds stupid.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 09:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think the best way to combat the criminal/oppression debate ("cops kill blacks so cops are racist") is to change word tracks.

Cops don't kill whites. Cops don't kill blacks.

Cops kill CRIMINALS.

Don't be a criminal.

Of course, that nullifies all the identity politics flying around these days....wait...that's just a bonus!
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Pwnzor
Posted on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 10:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cops don't kill whites. Cops don't kill blacks.

Cops kill CRIMINALS.

Don't be a criminal.


Take it from an ex-convict, I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanewshub.com/2017/11/17/heres-ra cist-billboard-offending-liberals-across-nation-ph otos/

Kneeling in subjugation isn't a protest. It's submission to a master.

Kneeling to take better aim is something else altogether.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, November 17, 2017 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

https://www.americanewshub.com/2017/11/17/controve rsial-church-sign-sparks-nationwide-outrage-photos /

This is a very biased source. Just want that up front.

This story is spot on.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Ourdee
Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2017 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I moved to Illinois, to remain employed, there was no legal CCW. In every argument I got roped into I'd go off the deep end for carry. I claimed that the solution to all of Illinois crime was simple. Mandatory carry of hand grenades needed to be put into law. If you were caught without a hand grenade, you go straight to jail. "How young?" Third graders on up! MANDATORY! BY LAW! You will have the most polite population in the world. I told them it would solve all the problems in 5 years but more like in less than 1.

My next statement was about stopping all the stupid busing there. Demographics were well mixed so it's time to go to school where you live. Don't like it? MOVE! Live within a mile of school? WALK!
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