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Pwnzor
| | Posted on Monday, September 14, 2015 - 08:29 am: | 
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My problem with this woman is this:
Nobody asked her to perform a ceremony.
Do your job or step aside. Government needs to get out of the marriage business completely. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, September 14, 2015 - 08:56 am: |
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But people came from far away to ask for her name on a document. On purpose. To cause "trouble"...... or make a political point. Your attitude. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, September 14, 2015 - 08:59 am: |
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Anyone but me remember the pizza parlor a reporter found an owner to say he wouldn't cater a gay wedding?
He never refused anyone service. Death threats and the destruction of his business followed.
Simply a reporter with an agenda who called many places before she found a target for rage. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Monday, September 14, 2015 - 11:36 am: |
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My problem with this woman is this:
Nobody asked her to perform a ceremony.
Nobody asked the photographer, baker or the florist to perform a ceremony either. That didn't stop them from being sued to force them to participate in the wedding process though. Will churches be the next to be forced to participate? It's quite clear that there is a very small minority who are going far out of their way to stir the pot on all of this. It's not enough to have gay marriage, they need it be be socially acceptable to everybody. It just doesn't work that way, and are not doing themselves any favors.
Why didn't the Governor do something? I understand that NC had the same issue with some of their county clerks, and simply made a provision for them to be able to recuse themselves from issuing marriage licenses. Is that the difference between the two parties on this? One manages to quietly make things work while the other creates a crisis? Having just made a statement of fact, I better provide a source for that... Kim Davis isn't the only one refusing same-sex marriages
quote:In North Carolina, a law allowing officials to refrain from conducting marriage-related duties has led to more than 30 magistrates refusing to perform same-sex unions, the Associated Press reported.
Since the law went into effect in June, officials with a "sincerely held religious objection" can forgo performing marriages. Only Utah has a similar law, AP reported.
Sen. Phil Berger, R-N.C., said the law is most likely preventing a situation similar to the case involving Davis in the county.
"It's keeping folks from having to choose between their jobs and their religious beliefs," Berger, told AP. "I think that's important."
Now what about the Judge in Oregon that is refusing to perform gay wedding ceremonies? Should he be forced to do ceremonies? I know if it were me being forced to do so I would not deviate in the slightest detail of how I do the ceremonies, including pronouncing them man and wife. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 - 08:37 pm: |
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Kim Davis stands ground, but same-sex couple get marriage license
Now was that really all that difficult? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 15, 2015 - 09:01 pm: |
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So..... Never mind your opinion of the Now Celebrity Clerk, herself, How much of these last few weeks have been pure propaganda?
From both sides.
On the one side, we have the activists pushing the legitimacy of alt.marriage. ( I assure you, this process/incrementalism/progression isn't done )
On the other we have the Religious Rights ( not Right, although there is some crossover ) crowd who essentially are trying to define the boundaries of where Rights hit Law.
So we return to the question of the Baker....
And the Pizza guy who has been victimized by the Media for answering a loaded question wrong.... ( I have no idea how that all turned out since the Media doesn't report on how horrible they themselves are. Totally understandable )
A paranoid would point out that while we've argued about a dingbat Clerk, There's an exodus from the War Zone that is the Middle East, Europe is in chaos, Russia & Iran are preparing to conquer the Old Persian Empire, by force, and absorb the old Byzantine Roman Empire by taking them from the EU with cash.
And that's if things go well. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 09:06 am: |
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"Now what about the Judge in Oregon that is refusing to perform gay wedding ceremonies? Should he be forced to do ceremonies?"
It's my understanding that Oregon law says justices may perform marriages, and not shall perform marriages. That makes it discretionary, and not a legal obligation. The judge is well within the law. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 11:52 am: |
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So his refusal to do gay marriages being part of his review by the state judicial fitness commission is nothing but a political witch hunt. No basis in actual law. Gotcha! I feel much better about it all now. http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/i ndex.ssf/2015/09/hitler_picture_among_new_alleg.ht ml
Dare I say the tyranny of tolerance? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 11:57 am: |
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Only if you accept the Progressive habitual use of lies as the premier tool to influence. I am in favor of tolerance. I urge acceptance of other's lifestyles. The tyranny you see is not tolerance at all.
Just as progressive is actually regressive authoritarian rule without consent...... leading to gulags. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 03:10 pm: |
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"So his refusal to do gay marriages being part of his review by the state judicial fitness commission is nothing but a political witch hunt"
That is my understanding, yes. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2015 - 11:00 am: |
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