| Author | Message | ||
     Ourdee |
Odd event. Ran low on fuel. Had 1/4 gallon left in the tank when I filled it. Paid and returned to Lil Red. Put in the key and turned it on, Bike started on its own. I did not touch the starter button. I rode home and shut it off. Turned the key back on and it started itself again. I had the steering in the straight ahead position. I was standing beside the bike. It would not do it a third time. Sounds like I'm going to be wire chasing. Any hints, anyone have or heard of this. | ||
| Snacktoast |
Definitely sounds like a short in the wiring. I would look in the right switch housing for starters. (pardon the pun) | ||
| Etennuly |
I would start at the key switch.....punny I know.....  | ||
| M1combat |
Yeah... Start in the starter button control housing for starters and then work your way towards the starter. | ||
| Torquehd |
Your bike has become self-aware. You need to travel back to 1984 and find Sarah Connor. | ||
| 86129squids |
"Your bike has become self-aware. You need to travel back to 1984 and find Sarah Connor."  | ||
| Sifo |
You may need to contact a priest! | ||
| Steveford |
Run like Hell, boy, and don't look back! | ||
| Hughlysses |
First a Buell; what's next?  | ||
| 1313 |
Actually I was thinking more towards this:  Christine was a 1958... And shiny red... Said XB12Scg is a 2008... And shiny red... 50 year difference... 50 years to be reincarnated... Yeah, it doesn't help that I watched the movie last weekend! 1313 | ||
| 86129squids |
OMG Hugh! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killdozer!_(film) Somehow I remember Killdozer from my childhood- it was a decently creepy story! Think I saw the TV movie too. Thanks for the throwback. The Heemeyer citation was bonus- I'd forgotten about that. Amazing AND scary what someone will do when amply provoked...  | ||
| Ourdee |
My real concerns at this time are; 1. The computer will not get to cycle prior to start up 2. Will not be able to do a TPS reset 3. Possible cross wire contamination of another circuit 4. I want to yank the wire and put another button under the seat for it so I can just leave the key in it and not worry about someone starting it. The humor is great. 50 years, Christine, and me, an auto worker. My neighbor saw it start and said it wants to go for a ride. | ||
| Ourdee |
 Yalp | ||
| Hughlysses |
Somehow I remember Killdozer from my childhood- it was a decently creepy story! Think I saw the TV movie too. Thanks for the throwback. I remember watching the "made for TV movie" with my dad. I read the story by Theodore Sturgeon many years later. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killdozer!_(short_story) Reading the story, it was obvious Sturgeon must have worked around construction equipment because of the details he threw in. I really enjoyed the story because my dad was an operator. | ||
| Akbuell |
Looked at my '08 electrical manual; it has a troubleshooting tree for this situation. 1. Unplug connector 128 (the green wire at the starter) and check for 12V with starter button NOT pressed. 2. If yes, check for 12V on start relay terminal 86 (The one with the Bk/R wire. may be relay socket 1 or U, depending on relay used). 3. If yes, replace start switch. If no, replace start relay. Hope this helps, Dave | ||
| Ourdee |
Dave, Thanks. I'm working OT and not got a chance to take a good look at anything. I need to pick up spare relays either way. | ||
| K12pilot |
FWIW... I had the same thing happen to me with an 1125R I bought cheap last fall. I bought it non running w 1000mi on it, one of my failing sponsors told me to grab it, so I did. I installed a new plug in the rear cylinder, turned the key hit the kill switch & it started without using the start button. I couldn't believe my eyes. The bike was so flooded out.. "I" believe what ever micro charge the coil got fired it over.. I am not the smart one in the bunch here, just my experience & thoughts. It sure had me thinking.... | ||
| Sagehawk |
would that be rear tire smoke or starter smoke? we had a 80 oldsmobile delta 88 that we called christine. bitch would not die altho sometimes thing would not start either. wife also called it the p o u r s mobile. mostly known as a piece of unreliable s__t. rear axles and bearings gone at 238000 so after us , 2 kids it was time to release christine to the other world. | ||
| Oddball |
On the day it was born The elves all gathered 'round They gazed in wide wonder As it made a first sound The head elf spoke up Said leave this one alone He could tell right away That it was bad to the bone | ||
| Ourdee |
Bad to the bone. | ||
| Ourdee |
I watched Kill Dozer last night. | ||
| Sifo |
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| Ourdee |
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| Thumper74 |
Does it do it regardless of the ignition switch location on the grip? If so, I bet it's a short in the button rather than the lock cylinder... | ||
| Hughlysses |
The various suggestions in this thread are talking about two very different scenarios for the problem as described:
Scenario 1: When he turns the key on, the starter engages, turning the engine over until it starts. Suggestions are check for short in wiring or switch, check for stuck start relay, etc. Scenario 2: When he turns the key on, the engine literally starts running. There is apparently an ignitable fuel/air mixture in one of the cylinders that apparently happens to be very near TDC. That spark plug fires, kicking the engine over and causing it to start running. K12pilot notes this happened to him with an 1125. If it's #1, it seems like the starter would stay engaged and grind the Bendix to pieces, but it doesn't sound like that has happened. If it's #2, it seems like a very freaky thing that it would not occur more than once in ~100 tries unless something really weird is going on. (Leaky fuel injector + ECM doing "spark plug cleaning" sequence?). Ourdee- can you clarify your symptoms a little? Does #1 or #2 above describe what's happening? (Message edited by Hughlysses on September 01, 2015) | ||
| Ourdee |
First time at gas station I thought it was scenario 2. The second time at home in the garage, there was a slight delay and was just like when I use the starter. Sounded like the starter even a hint of starter hesitation. I have not been able to get a repeat performance since. I believe there is protection to keep the starter from being energized once the machine is running. That could explain it not grinding itself to death. Later I'll go to the garage an ask it to "Show Me". | ||
| Oddball |
 Have that scene in my head now. Hmm, you know.....I just thought of an idea. Imagine the good it would be for EBR insurance rates if all future 1190's had a "Christine" modification. Someone knocks your bike over, lowside in a turn, or any other damage and the bikes fix themselves while jamming classic rock. | ||
| Alfau |
did do something silly like wash it ? | ||
| Ourdee |
I was in a monster of of rain storm that morning. |
