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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2015 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo that's true to a certain extent, but if you look at the higher lean angles (and presumably higher cornering forces with higher lean angles) it's pretty impossible to keep the head level with the horizon...so whatever angle your head is leaning over with the bike will mitigate some of the effects on the inner ear.

I get car sick when I am doing something other than watching the road, ie reading or looking at the phone. Location in the car doesn't matter.
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86129squids
Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2015 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"I get car sick when I am doing something other than watching the road, ie reading or looking at the phone. Location in the car doesn't matter."

OOhh OOHhh!!! Could THAT be the CURE for ALL the crappy drivers out there? A "PAY ATTENTION or GET CARSICK" app or pill?

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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2015 - 07:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I get car sick when I am doing something other than watching the road, ie reading or looking at the phone. Location in the car doesn't matter.

That's pretty much what I figured. Like I said earlier, it says something about you. That's not meant to be derogatory BTW, it's just the way it is. It's the disconnect between what the ear is telling the brain vs. what the eyes are telling the brain. Some people handle that differently from others. I have doubts that you would handle the back of a bike with a blacked out visor either.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2015 - 07:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK-dokey, I will try not to ride bitch with a blacked-out visor...and my Dad was the only one onboard who could sleep on a Coast Guard cruiser during the worst North Atlantic storms. Not exactly sure what your point is.

I am positive there are people (like my Dad and possibly yourself) that never get motion sickness...so I guess my whole motion sickness theory doesn't apply to them.

Oh well, go back to the cornering force thing for those folks.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2015 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are over thinking. Plus correct.

It's uncomfortable to pull g's. Bothers people. 3 dimensional motion scares some. Others crave it.

Some folk like roller coasters. Some don't. Simple....
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2015 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not exactly sure what your point is.

Only that your objection has to do with the individual, not the car. As I already pointed out, I have gotten motion sickness. Below deck on a sail boat. Nobody is immune, but some deal with it far better than others.

OK, I did get sick once riding in the back of a Boss 429 Mustang hauling ass down a twisty mountain road. Large quantities of alcohol may have played a part in that though. Certainly staring at a seat back while sliding through bouncy turns didn't help any either.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2015 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Only that your objection has to do with the individual, not the car.




You are right. Ultimately, the sickness part has to do with the individual in the car or on the bike. My point is the motion and forces induced by specifically the car have a tendency to make people sick. People on bikes do not get sick, or I have never heard of such a case. Whether the reason for the non-sickness while riding is visceral (ie you can "see" the motion as it happens) or because the forces don't affect your inner ear as much(due to the ability of the bike/rider to lean), the fact is the motion on a motorcycle is more fluid and dare I say more elegant.

One of my favorite shots of all time is a head-on video of a long pack of race bikes "dancing" thru a chicane in perfect unity. In the same scenario with cars, you generally have a line of cars sliding and bouncing over the curbs. Far from elegant
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2015 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

you generally have a line of cars sliding and bouncing over the curbs. Far from elegant

That is a matter of opinion. It is a ballet of sorts.....ya ought to try it! Just as running side by side, lap after lap, inches apart, slide drifting the corners, without touching each other, on a banked dirt track.

I understand where you are coming from, I see your point clearly. I have friends on the other side of the fence, who will back a sprint car into a corner at 130 mph all day, but won't throw a leg over a motorcycle for fear of falling off while it is moving.

I am a boat owner, I have been out when a storm came up and really rocked the boat, but did not get motion sickness, scared the crap out of me but not sick. Then I got on a 800 foot cruise ship in steady waters and got motion sick as hell. Chugged several shots and a couple of beers to fix that. Had to match the slow sloshing of my body fluids with my walking ability!

Life, and it's view points can be quite varied and seemingly weird. It seems to be what makes us a large group of PEOPLE, not a large group of PERSON.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2015 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


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Just as running side by side, lap after lap, inches apart, slide drifting the corners, without touching each other, on a banked dirt track.




I thought you were referring to 2-wheel road racing until the I saw the banked dirt track. LOL.
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Etennuly
Posted on Thursday, October 29, 2015 - 06:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Back in '79 I had a Yamaha TT500. One of the most up graded, 4 stroke, beastliest dirt bikes of that era. It would run 90 mph on the railroad beds that I frequented back then. I could destroy a brand new knobby rear tire in one day of hard trail riding. It was awesome for lack of a better word.


At about that same time Honda came out with the CR 250 R. The replacement for the Elsinore. A buddy of mine bought one of these two smokers.

When we drag raced on a hard packed gravel road(what rear tire)where I would start in third gear and literally smoke the rear as I started out, he went through all of his gears(I think it was a 6 speed). He pulled me for about twenty feet then I would pass him for about fifty feet then he would pull along and just ahead as we hit about 55 mph then I would gradually walk away as he topped out around 75.

Well, we got to an old closed down motorcycle enduro/moto-X/TT type race track with these two bikes. The track had one good smooth high banked turn that used to be clay and became loose shale over time. We had more fun running hard as we could lap after lap WFO totally sideways side by side through that corner. We swapped inside for outside by whom ever got there first.

This is where I learned how to power the bike through a banked corner with the front tire off the ground for well over half of it. I learned to set it in sprint car style, kind of backing it in under throttle. He was doing the same. It was a sort of manly ballet. The guys that were watching were commenting on, and trying to figure out how we could steer our bikes with the throttle that far through this 180 degree corner with the front tire in the air while side by side. That was a good day.

But then.....I have somehow survived doing lots of stupid stuff where no one had a camera. I'll tell you about wheelbarrow racing some time.
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 12:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Vern- I love you man. I can definitely see you doing that "ballet", wish I coulda been there.

I've always been aware of those TT500's, and I always prefer my flavor of rice to be Yamaha, even though I grew up a Suzuki kid. I'm gonna have to acquire a D/S bike sometime soon, along with a nice, automatic trans convertible... that's my hope for the new year.

Someone on CL local has an OLD Yamaha 500cc 2-smoke for sale, been watching that one...
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2015 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Just as running side by side, lap after lap, inches apart, slide drifting the corners, without touching each other"

I don't know how we got side tracked onto this but I can definitely relate as Vern (Etennuly) and others have said.

I too did some of this with my old built up Honda 405 cc 350 flat tracker (below), steel shoe and all against two very competitive 500 Yamaha TT's. Down a straight, lay it over in the turn, WFO throttle, turn right, and back it in all the way around the turn and wheelie coming out then down the other straight and hope all the while you DO NOT touch each other. Just the three of us when the track was closed. One of the guys had a key as he did maintenance there. Much fun. 1985 or so.

Loved it, but now a little different. Even when sport riding my 1125R in these canyons somewhat aggressively with my son on his SV1000 we stay apart. Age does somewhat take its toll. Backin' it down now but still having much fun.

Lets see some other roadsters or coupes that are almost as much fun. Bob



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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So I went to my Vette club meeting last night. It is sponsored by, and held in a Chevy dealership show room. They line the perimeter of the room with new and used Vettes. They have acquired a group of GM executive cars to sell. '14 models, all with less than 6,000 miles. They are so pretty!.....Why they do that?!?

During the meeting a guy took delivery of a brand new '16 convertible. It was pretty, red with black pearl stripes and red stitching in the black seats, and the sound when he fired it up in the show room was fantastic! Why they do that?!?

Bastards! They are doing that on purpose! I know they are!
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Oldog
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Vern, I need to find an automotive fastener specific to GM products.

its a speed nut, that clips into a v shaped notch on a stand off giving a place to put a screw in a dash. it has two edge clips one each end and a nut in the middle its in the dash of my son in laws el camino any ideas?
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Etennuly
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What year is it? Got a picture of a nearby one? I think I know what it is. Might find one in an old misc bolts box. That sounds like the one's that I used to cut the crap out of my finger tips on. Is it '72 or older?
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2015 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Lets see some other roadsters or coupes that are almost as much fun. Bob"

Now that's what I'm talking about Patrick(Aesquire). What a great video for this thread. Thanks much for playing along.

Now if that RX7 was in a roadster I think I might just be interested especially the custom LS3 version.

The biggest problem I have with most of the foreign coupes & roadsters is the styling "for me". Most are very short & rounded off and the main reason I do not like the Dodge Vipers and the original Shelby Cobras or even the replicas.

I am enjoying the looks of my Z28 and as you have seen, if I had the money I would have the very Italian looking new Vette preferably in a roadster. That's just me though.

And as Sifo and others have said, they are enjoying their on and off track time completely with their choices. I do agree. Bob
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Oldog
Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2015 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not sure vern, not my truck My son in law spent hours trying to find them, we do not even know what they are called. I would call them speed nuts.

The part and truck are not where I can get to them right now, let me put a note and pix on the board for you later, we could use the help.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, November 05, 2015 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oldog, have you looked at placed like Classic Industries? I doubt these are what you are describing, but they have a lot of the fasteners needed to do a build. 10 Piece J-Clip Kit

I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are describing.
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2015 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've come across a bit more info on the ESC kits. Looks like they were/are developing something for an Audi R8. I don't know if this was something intended for production or not. Sounds like it might just be something for his personal car. At least for now. http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=570841& highlight=audi+esc







It also looks like Audi is getting into the ESC concept for a production car. Could be the ESC is going mainstream in the near future.

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20150413/ANE/15 0419988/valeo-says-audi-will-use-its-supercharger- to-reduce-lag-and-save-fuel
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Reepicheep
Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2015 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It makes a lot of sense. I'm never on my turbo for more than a 10 seconds at a time.
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2015 - 01:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://jalopnik.com/2017-fiat-124-spider-this-is-i t-all-official-and-stuf-1743199857
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Bob_thompson
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2015 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice Fiat Brad but once again that typical short, rounded off look of most all European coupes and roadsters with some exceptions of course. Even the old Sunbeam Alpine of the '60's IMHO had nicer styling and the Tiger model with a ford V8 was a true performance car of which many went racing with great results. Collectors items now and going from $15K to over $125K See below.

In my younger days I had the money for a Corvette but the pre '68 models did not have a great deal of appeal for me due mostly to styling. Some of the earlier models certainly had the H.P. and fair handling but it wasn't until '68 model I really wanted one and got mine in 1970. The 2nd gen. Stingray and its styling was beautiful and still is today.

Now many of the exotics go to the extreme with sharp angled edges as in most Italian high end sports cars and that's great for areo effects but once again mainly a status symbol in looks and surely in H.P. And again, just for me, but that new '16 ZO6 Vette roadster is pure sex appeal. To each his own I guess and I like and enjoy anything with wheels and an engine.



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No_rice
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2015 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i keep looking at these... had a friend with one, and we had a riot in hers.

this one is super low mileage, and turboed... but they want something like 16,000 for it. if only it would have come as a factory hard top.





(Message edited by no_rice on November 18, 2015)
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2015 - 02:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

DROOLING over that S2K
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2015 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe they made a factory hardtop. I have no idea the availability or cost. Probably not many out there and they are a mint.

But nice ride. I still have my eye out for one.

There was a nice looking black one in Sacramento, with salvaged title for $13,500. It went fast.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2015 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Honda needs to bring that car back.... keep the body style exactly the way it is, update the suspension and motor.
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Midknyte
Posted on Monday, December 07, 2015 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://jalopnik.com/new-honda-s2000-designed-for-l izard-people-confirmed-by-1746708009
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