| Author | Message | ||
     Natexlh1000 |
Yeah or a small army of KLR650s. | ||
| Strokizator |
HD has no problem selling +$30k CVO's and trikes. The number of potential customers willing to pay over 20 large for a touring bike far out numbers those paying a similar amount for a sport bike. | ||
| Buelliedan |
Exactly, HD sells every CVO they can make almost as soon as they are delivered and those routinely go for well over $30k. Why do they sell so well? A lot of these buyers want a bike different from all the other bikes out there. Motus will definately provide a bike that will draw attention at bike nights!! | ||
| Buelliedan |
I hate to say this but one of the reasons EBR did not make it is because of exactly the attitudes many of you are showing here. I am just amazed at how "frugal" so many Buell owner are. They want an American made, high performance bike that is unlike anything else but when the bill comes they balk. You cannot have it both ways. | ||
| Reepicheep |
If you have $30k to piss away on a motorcycle in a bid to get attention... more power too you. You will probably get the attention you seek, and I hope it makes you happy. I couldn't be further from that category though, and I'm on my third Buell. The bike I wish I could have bought from EBR a $5000 diesel powered hybrid scooter / backup generator. (And I would rather crawl over broken glass than go to a bike night.) | ||
| Buelliedan |
see that right there is what i am saying. You see spending $30K on a bike as "pissing it away". For a bike as unique as a Motus I do not see $30K as being outrageous. | ||
| 86129squids |
Good point, Dan. If I had the jack to throw at either a CVO or a Motus... hands down, I'd go with the Motus. However, I'm also with Court in wondering what I'd do if I had a failure on the Motus doing what it was designed to do, sport-touring.  | ||
| Froggy |
Personally I am not in the camp that feels it would be pissing away. My first Buell was over $20k out the door with all the addons, service plans, and accessories. I would need to think a little harder about $30k, but it isn't off the table. If I wasn't saving up to buy a house the $45k RS would be no issue either. If I bought something an use it as much as possible, it is not pissing away. On the other hand, all the thousands of dollars on video games I've never played likely falls into the pissed away category. (Message edited by Froggy on June 11, 2015) | ||
| Jaimec |
The K1600GTL Exclusive attracts PLENTY of attention. It also comes with a 3 year warranty and far more servicing dealerships than Motus. As 86129squids pointed out above, when you insert the word "TOURING" into the bike's intended purpose there is far more at stake than simply drawing a crowd at a bike night. The intent is that you are going to RIDE this thing... often far from home. The last thing you want to think about is "What happens if I break down?" Harley CVOs may be expensive, but there are parts of the country where you can't throw a rock without hitting an authorized Harley service center, or a qualified independent bike shop specializing in Harley repair. | ||
| Sifo |
I hate to say this but one of the reasons EBR did not make it is because of exactly the attitudes many of you are showing here. I am just amazed at how "frugal" so many Buell owner are. They want an American made, high performance bike that is unlike anything else but when the bill comes they balk. You cannot have it both ways. EBR never built a bike I would want. Or many other people, judging from the number of similar Ducatis I see on the road. EBR did build the bike Erik wanted to build. I'm not saying that as a negative thing, but it's the truth. It was up to Erik to figure out how to turn that into a success. Unfortunately, like so many others, he didn't pull it off. I do applaud his efforts though. HD sells every CVO they can make almost as soon as they are delivered and those routinely go for well over $30k. Why do they sell so well? A lot of these buyers want a bike different from all the other bikes out there. Motus will definately provide a bike that will draw attention at bike nights!! The CVO has a pretty know track record of what it will be worth in 5 or 10 years. The Motus is a complete crap shoot at this point in time. Total cost of ownership could be very different between these ~$30K bikes. Also, someone who knows little about bikes will likely walk right past the Motus without any notice, but will see the CVO and have a little voice in their head that says "shiny". | ||
| Reepicheep |
OK, point taken. I was applying my specific and personal value system and making it an absolute generalization, which is unfair and disrespectful. I apologize. It is discretionary spending, and we all spend what we can spare on the things that make us happier or more comfortable. Nothing wrong to spend it on something in a bid for attention, which looked at another way is really to say you are spending it on entertaining the people around you. I was driving through Atlanta on business last week and wobbling through the tunnel downtown in my little buick rental. A Lamborghini pulled up beside me, something I would never in my lifetime spend the money needed to own. Once in the tunnel, he put in the clutch, and rev'd it up, and let that motor howl. I appreciated and enjoyed it, even though I'm not generally a fan of loud exhausts. It was lovely. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Once in the tunnel, he put in the clutch, and rev'd it up, and let that motor howl. Deplorable behaviour! I of course wouldn't dream of doing anything like that.  Didja turn off the radio & open the window to hear it better? huh? didja? | ||
| Nobuell |
It all depends on what it is worth to you. If you have the bucks and you get enjoyment from it, why not. Many people would consider spending a lot of money on track and racing bikes to be a waste of money. but in my case, I enjoy it immensely. If I were in the market for a new Sport Touring bike, the Motus would not be off of the table. Having a different bike is what drew many of us to Buell in the first place. | ||
| Ljm |
Well, the Ducati Superlegera sold out. Honda is bringing the RC213v-s to the U.S. at $184,000. They will sell it too. At the end of the day, comes down to marketing I guess. Funny, performance figures the Honda doesn't look to be much beyond what is out there already, i.e. the R1, S1000RR, 1299 Panigale, and sans electronics, the RS. But people will probably be lining up to buy them. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Heck yeah! | ||
| Strokizator |
The K1600GTL Exclusive attracts PLENTY of attention. It also comes with a 3 year warranty and far more servicing dealerships than Motus. Yeah, it'll probably need them too. (Sorry, couldn't resist) Why would lack of a dealer in every town be a concern when considering a Motus? Couldn't you make the same argument against an EBR or even more mainstream, but still low production, bikes? Yeah, every big town has a Ducati dealer but the parts are in Italy. I'd rather wait for a FedEx package from Birmingham than Bologna. | ||
| Sifo |
Well, the Ducati Superlegera sold out. Sure, but how many units? I'm willing to bet, not enough units to keep a company like EBR or Motus in the black. I see lots of Monsters on the road though. | ||
| Steveford |
I don't know about taking on Motus but it's not my decision to make. I wish them well but I think you're looking at a real niche market motorcycle. It's so hard to break into the market when people don't know what the hell it is. I was a Guzzi dealer in another lifetime and they were a tough sell and they've been around forever. With EBR, I don't think that the majority of us here are the potential customer base he was hoping to tap into. That's why I started that thread about what bikes have you purchased since 2010 - we're the fan club and what do we want? Not all that many went out and bought a hard core sport bike. It seems that most of us want a standard or an adventure bike or some sort of sport touring motorcycle. If EBR should be resurrected maybe we'll see something a little more suited to old farts like me. I don't care about race results or how quickly someone can get around the race track at a magazine test. I don't care about quarter mile times. None of that matters to me in the least. Give me a 2016 version of an S3 and I'll be perfectly happy. A rowdy sport touring bike which will out handle anything else out there, great brakes and one that will accelerate like mad would be just the thing, I would think. Slap on some hard bags and go chase the horizon with the wife holding on for dear life. That is what I wanted, perhaps we'll see it sometime down the road from Mr. Buell. | ||
| Jaimec |
You missed the part about TOURING. If you're on the road you don't want to sit and wait for a FedEx package. I know people will take just about any bike cross country, but people are more likely to buy touring or sport-touring bikes BECAUSE they plan on taking them on long rides. I was talking to the local multi-brand dealership a couple of years ago and he was comparing Aprilia to BMW. Aprilia is a part of the Piaggio group which has a WRETCHED reputation for both parts availability and parts ordering. He thanked the good Lord that at least the Aprilia's were somewhat reliable. On the other hand, although the BMWs may not have been the most reliable bikes, their parts availability and ordering was just about the best in the industry. But, unfortunately, with BMW's recent reputation, you would be pretty foolish to buy a first-year model of anything they sell. Fortunately the K1600GTL has been out for several years with little to no changes beyond color. The "Exclusive" is just the K1600GTL with every imaginable accessory thrown on with special paint so shouldn't be any worse than the standard models. I would trust a $30,000 BMW for a month long trip before I would trust a $30,000 Motus any day. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Give me a 2016 version of an S3 and I'll be perfectly happy. A rowdy sport touring bike which will out handle anything else out there, great brakes and one that will accelerate like mad would be just the thing, I would think. Slap on some hard bags and go chase the horizon with the wife holding on for dear life. That is what I wanted, perhaps we'll see it sometime down the road from Mr. Buell. Exactly my feelings too. (Apart from Steve's wife of course.) | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I am just amazed at how many people spend their potential retirement savings on excessive things to impress others. There are all sorts of people that struggle to make ends meet while they have all the "toys" to keep up their image. What's the average credit card debt of an American household again? If "Frugal" people buy things with value in mind, then count me in. I can afford a nicer truck and motorcycle, but both fit my needs. My truck gets me from point A to B in relative comfort and my 1125R lets me tear up the twisties on the weekends. Bike nights? Really. I put bike nights in the same category as group rides and I stay as far away from that crap as possible. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
How much does the attention of a person with no clue about bikes stroke your ego? As far as I am concerned, your statement is a big plus for the Motus. | ||
| Ljm |
Where you spend your money is entirely a personal decision. I drive a 19 year old Toyota and unless it dies before I do, I am keeping it. Wasting money on bikes that I probably don't need seems like a fair trade. Tom, there were 500 Superleggaras made at $65,000 a pop. | ||
| Twisteduly |
Lmao I have a 19 yr old camry, bitchin' ride | ||
| Sprintst |
Maybe it's just me, but a "baby-block" half a V8 car engine doesn't interest me. If I wanted to drive a V8, I would have kept the 2009 Corvette I let the ex have...... Too many of the specs read like a touring bike, but it doesn't have all the farckles of a BMW K1600 Touring bike that sounds like a race car? That doesn't seem like a good idea........ 550 to 590 lbs, so ...... Busa time I certainly hope they can succeed, but that bike wouldn't be on my radar. YMMV All that said, I didn't even like the 1125R until I owned one. I bought it simply because it seemed like a lot bike for the money after the shutdown. Then, found out it was a great bike for me, so when I totaled my 08 I got an 09 (Message edited by sprintst on June 11, 2015) | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I agree about the weight. On a related note: My uncle bought a 'Busa and slapped saddlebags on it. Extra hilarious is he lives on Marthas Vineyard with a top speed limit of 45. He uses it to escape the idiots on the island (with extreme prejudice!) | ||
| Strokizator |
I would trust a $30,000 BMW for a month long trip before I would trust a $30,000 Motus any day. Based upon what data? The great thing about the good old USA is you can buy whatever you want. I don't care for an 800lb touring bike. At 550 lbs and 160 hp, the Motus can claim some "sport" along with their "touring". Even so, it's still a little too heavy for my tastes but I'll withhold my opinion until I actually ride one. Even the term "touring" means different things to different people. To some, it's a ride to Sturgis along the interstate and to others it's bombing up the AlCan Hwy. Last summer I ran into an Austrian couple who flew into Florida, bought a 1600GTL, rode it to Alaska and planned to end up in Colorado where they would sell it and fly home - all for less than the cost of a rental bike. I think he said he had one minor problem but it was quickly taken care of with little loss of time. The dude was in his 70's too! | ||
| Airbozo |
Hehe had to chime in on vehicles... I own a 20 year old Sportster, a 15 year old Buell and a 40 year old Landcruiser. What else could I need? OK how about a 6 year old Firebolt? I had a hard time spending $28k on the SO's Outback and would never spend that much on a motorcycle. I can understand the appeal though and if I won the lottery, might be tempted. | ||
| Jaimec |
Well for the price of ONE Honda RC213V-S, you can buy six Motuses, so maybe it's a bargain after all.  | ||
| S2t_bama |
Would that be 6 Moti? |
