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Reindog
Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, June 02, 2015 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/sen-whitehouse -d-ri-suggests-using-rico-laws-global-warming-skep tics_963007.html
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-wit h-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming -hiatus/

"Adjust" the past. Why? Because the data did not fit the theory. So change the data.

Tod662! Please explain how changing the data from the past to fit the theory is how 97 percent of WHO work.

Scientists?

or

Con Men?


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/04 /harvard-syracuse-researchers-caught-lying-to-boos t-obama-climate-rules/

Lies, damn lies,and statistics....

Actually, in this case the whole thing is lies.

But I will say that "clean coal" doesn't seem to be a current technology. Which is really weird since I know Con-Ed had magnetohydrodynamic coal fired generators on rafts that did in fact produce very low emissions. OTOH they had to to reclaim the seed material to make the fire conductive to work in a MHD generator.

Maybe Court knows something about this?

I'm betting they were just a pain to deal with, and the technology, so promising in the 1960's just seems to be forgotten.

As of 1994, the 22% efficiency record for closed-cycle disc MHD generators was held by Tokyo Technical Institute. The peak enthalpy extraction in these experiments reached 30.2%. Typical open-cycle Hall & duct coal MHD generators are lower, near 17%. These efficiencies make MHD unattractive, by itself, for utility power generation, since conventional Rankine cycle power plants easily reach 40%.

However, the exhaust of an MHD generator burning fossil fuel is almost as hot as the flame of a conventional steam boiler. By routing its exhaust gases into a boiler to make steam, MHD and a steam Rankine cycle can convert fossil fuels into electricity with an estimated efficiency up to 60 percent, compared to the 40 percent of a typical coal plant.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamic_g enerator

I wonder, ( probably with no answer, ever ) if Greatlaker or Tod662 know about this technology, or even what the word means without reading the Wiki?

B.S. statistics annoys me. The REASON it annoys me is I spent years doing Statistical Process Control, and as a hobby worked on various aircraft, ( although I admit I never did finish my degree in Aeronautical Engineering...... actually Aerospace Eng., but no degree, no bragging rights )

In the real world, faking the numbers can ruin a company, ( think Pinto ) or kill people. Lots of people, if your project is a 747 variant. ( the aircraft I worked on tended to be quite a bit smaller, so no more than a few dozen people were likely to die if I made Adjustments to a Load analysis. )

In politics, "Adjustments" usually just means they steal more of your money in taxes to give to the people that bribe them. But in the real world, faking the numbers on how great an idea putting food based alcohol in your gasoline has killed a lot of people. ( and gave your money to people that bribed them )

Thousands dead so far, directly related to Food to Fuel. It was the rising price of food that was a major factor in the Arab Spring, that led to the Muslim Brotherhood thugs in Egypt gang raping and working hard on genocide, and the AQ/ISIS/Brotherhood folks raping, slaving and mass murdering their way across the region.

Reality exists. So do liars.

Tod662, can you name any places that have EVER been affected by Climate Change, and offer any kind of evidence?

I can. Pueblo Cliff Dwellers aka Anasazi Indians. Climate change lowered the local rainfall and the civilization fell.

How about the Viking colony in Greenland? Vinland?

Petra?

Have you heard of any of these things? Please enlighten me as to your knowledge.
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Tod662
Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, and not long ago the vast majority of scientists would tell you that rocks falling from the sky is nonsense.

Now it's an argument as to which rock, that fell from the sky, "killed the dinosaurs". ( Iceland seems to be the current favorite )

How many people believe something has nothing what-so-freaking-ever to do with the truth of that belief.

Over 200 million people believe it's a great thing that Jihadi crashed airplanes into the WTC and Pentagon. A bigger number believe it's just grand to murder someone who mocks their religion.

The FACT is that the Climate computer models that predict the End Times, or just Soylent Green, have proven to be WRONG. They have not, to date, successfully predicted last year. For more than 20 years, the Models don't match reality.

When the facts don't match the theory, you change the theory. That's the scientific method. When you change the data ( not the facts, not what was measured, but the adjusted numbers you use in your presentation ) to match the theory, that's fraud. Plain and simple.

Also, and this is important. Back in 1977, when we were all going to freeze in the oncoming Ice Age, the "solution" was to raise your taxes, quit using oil, ( a good idea ) and give the UN the power.

What power?

Power to take resources and send them to where it was needed. aka steal your food and oil and give it to someone else. An unelected dictatorship, with no feedback to control it.

20+ years later in a warm spell, the exact same "solution" was to fix Global Warming.

If the Solution is the same no matter what the problem is, the Solution is the Goal. The "problem" is the excuse.

From your link above...Climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities.

Maybe. Likely, even..... and "proof" is hard to get. So you are willing to send armed men to your neighbors house, to take his money and food, because it's "likely" that the Industrial Revolution changed the planets climate? You are good with the shelves in your town being emptied by armed troops to ship it to Quebec?

On the say so of an economist in New York, who never took a science course in his life, and has declared Climate Change his Religion?

Not me. I want quite a bit more study before I let myself panic that the sky is falling.

and let's be realistic. There WILL be a major Earthquake. Global Koala-ing has nothing to do with it. Could be in the Pac NW, soon. Could be in a decade. Going to happen until the subduction zone is gone. ( not soon geologically.)


http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2015/06 /01/strong-earthquake-strikes-off-oregon-coast/282 95673/

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/call-of-c thulhu-as-science-fiction-net-neutrality-skype-imp rovements/

There will be a major Meteor/Asteroid/Comet strike, again, someday, because it's the physics and the math. When I don't know. Odds are 1. Going to happen. Panic? no, but having a working space program so we actually can do something about it would pay off in all the other projects, like Solar power.

Finally, anyone who tells you the Science Is Settled on any subject more complex than Newtonian physics, is selling you something, and it's not real. The Science is only settled on the simplest of things. And, alas, most of the ground shaking, new ideas that "are being suppressed by the establishment" don't pan out. But some do.

Explain the mechanism of gravity to me please. I'll wait.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/02/why-cagw-the ory-is-not-settled-science/
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you even heard of the Anasazi? Petra?

Do you know what MHD is?

How to read a thermometer? How to calibrate one?

How to read a weather map?

have you talked to an actual Farmer? They depend on accurate climate models, and I assure you they don't listen to Al Gore.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/05/brea king-the-97-percent-climate-consensus-canard.php
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Tod662
Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We are changing things up at a lot faster rate at the moment then is normal

Are you saying that we are getting better at knowing what killed the dinosaurs, what the hell does that have to do with this.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 11:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Changing things up?

What things? The temperature of the planet? Been holding baseline for the last 33 years of Satellite readings for more that 14 years. No matter who you listen to, the max number claimed for the 2014 Warmest year on Record, vs. the 2013 Warmest year on record, is about 0.0017 degrees K.

Since the accuracy for the measurement is, at best a touch less than 1.0000 degrees K, it's not any kind of accelerated warming since 1998.

You can't measure a bacterium with a Yardstick. They used to pay me a lot to know that.

Are you saying that we are getting better at knowing what killed the dinosaurs, what the hell does that have to do with this.

No. I said we are now arguing over which spot on Earth is the crater left by the Dinosaur Killer. ( if there was only one ) A few years ago the best guess was in the Yucatan, The Chicxulub crater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

More recently, Iceland is favored.

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf015/sf015p11.ht m

And it could be completely wrong. That's Science.

And the entire phenomena of Meteors was considered heretical not that long ago. The Heavens are perfect, dirty rocks can't possibly fall from there, right?

Do you even know what the Medieval Warm period was?
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Tod662
Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And i'm done
I just wanted to confirm your hypocrisy for lauding the scientific community for deciphering what the situation was like on this little sphere 40 million years ago and still not agree with the word of freakin NASA. The earth is flat man HOLY COW!

But thanks for clarifying who i'm dealing with I will not forget that you are the guy who is smarter then NASA and most learned scientists.
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Strokizator
Posted on Thursday, June 04, 2015 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You're wasting your breath, Aesquire. People with Chicken Little Syndrome care nothing about science or facts. When it was proved that there was no measurable global warming over the past several years the name of the game became "climate change". If the temperature goes up 0.1 degree they say "I told you so." If it goes down, you get the same retort. They always get to be right and to further their position they call you a lunatic "denier".

I've asked this question before on this site and have never gotten a response from these pablum-spewing dimwits, "The earth has been warmer than it is today and it's been cooler than it is today. What evidence do you have that this is the correct temperature?"

Still nothing? I thought not.
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Tod662
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, you also believe you are smarter then 97 percent of nasa scientists and everything that stands behind this?


http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

drops Mic
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Alfau
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 05:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What about the melting polar caps stupid ?
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 06:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Oh good.

How much does trolling pay?

How do I get that job?

Tod.... read the article. Do you know about the medieval warm period?

If you don't answer we'll know your qualifications.

You have not answered one question. Simple ones.

Neither will the cultists.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 07:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Come on... are you guys doing it just to have fun with the simple minded folk?

...because I can totally get behind that, it's fun!

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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 07:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only people that are really wrong about global warming are the ones that say "the science is decided". That goes for people on either side of the current debate. The "deniers" at least have it right when they say that extraordinary claims should require extreme proof, and the anthropomorphic global warmists are not even close to that standard.

Todd, are you even trying to distinguish between the two root questions of:

1) Is the average surface temperature of the planet rising?

2) Is the average surface temperature of the planet rising due to human activity?
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 08:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Actually I think it's possible the only thing he knows is "consensus". Since polls have nothing to do with science, his program is in a loop.

I'll give him the day to answer my last question.

Anyone want to place a bet that I'll just get insults?

Haven't insulted him.
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Tod662
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 09:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3 - American Association for the Advancement of Science
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Strokizator
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 09:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Still waiting for an answer to my question. What do the 97% of the 64% of responding scientists have to say?
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"What about the melting polar caps stupid ?"

They aren't. Turns out their equipment wasn't calibrated correctly. Oops.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"So, you also believe you are smarter then 97 percent of nasa scientists and everything that stands behind this? "

I believe I'm smart enough to know when to use 'then' and when to use 'than'.

I also know a thing or two about statistics, and that 97% figure is completely meaningless.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tod662

Do you really believe that 100% of global warming has been due to human activity? I don't believe that it's 0%. I also don't believe that it's the crisis that the alarmists claim. The past two decades have been showing my view to be quite correct. The alarmists are now falsifying the data to fit their alarmism. AGAIN! Do you recognize this to be "science"?

Do you understand that a great many of your 97% of scientists are not among the alarmists, but simply do not deny the probability that human activity can have an effect on climate? So does termite activity. Neither is likely to cause the end of the world as we know it.

Do you understand that the best way to get funding for any sort of weather study is to make your study about "climate change"? In short, it's easier to get government funds to study the crisis du jour. If you want grant money to study what you want to study, you link it to climate change and you are far more likely to get your funding. This is far more real than scientists being paid by Mobil oil to make false claims.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)







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Tod662
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4 American Chemical Society

oh but you are much more studied on the subject then these guys.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Climate change has always been real.

The ice ages come and go. That's climate change. Add 5 or 6 billion people into the mix, and the rate of change might increase.

SO WHAT? The sun is going to expand and engulf all the inner planets too. Who do we blame that on?

Liberals, that's who.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I blame/worship SMOD. And I yearn for the sweet release of planetary destruction.

Thanks for that article Pat. I laughed through the whole read.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem."

Climate change is real.

It's mostly due to the sun.

Historically, a warmer climate has been good for humans.

Those 'comprehensive studies' have shown that the models they're using are completely wrong, and can't even predict what has already happened, let alone what might happen in the future.

But hey, if you want to pay a carbon tax in the vain hope of staving off the boogie man, please feel free. Just keep your grubby little finger out of my wallet.
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Tod662
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

American Geophysical Union
"Human induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5 American Geophysical Union

I love it im arguing with a bunch of guys that know more on the subject then most of academia
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Consider the climate change report the world body of climate liars disseminates periodically. Every report, they are more and more certain that we're to blame, and yet every year their own report (if you read beyond the cover page) casts more and more doubt over their conclusion. The report's conclusion, whose target audience is not other scientists but rather politicians, appears to be a non sequitur. Have you read these reports (even section of them) or are you basing your opinion on the lunatic ravings of 'scientists' hell bent on achieving their dream of depopulating the Earth? Check into the politics of the alarmists. You may be surprised at what they believe is desirable.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2015 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FYI - Quoting people who lie to get their way is not helping your argument.
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