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     Aesquire |
The truth about 911? AQ sent their only genius to the U.S. and he murdered the most Americans since Pearl Harbor. Died in the process, and torqued off a Nation. Or at least all the Patriots. All the "Bush/Illuminati/masons/Fritz the Kat" conspiracy theories kind of fall flat after Osama bin Laden bragged to an Arab Sheik about how great his plan was and laughed at the bulk of the Martyrs who thought they were doing a hostage attack, not a suicide run. So, Pretty much settled, confession, bragged about on video, Never denied, all the facts line up. If you REALLY want to blame someone other than the murderers, look to Slick Willie who passed on taking out Osama, and sent his minion to steal records from the government archives that made Bill look bad. I figure that wee misjudgment and the lies that followed are petty measured against the massive bribe taking and giving of secrets to China. Not that China was the only people that Bribed Bill, but may be one of a very few actually to count as Treason. The rest are just Felonies. Oh, and Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK, to show the Soviets how awesome he was after they rejected him after he'd gone to Russia to be a traitorous spy for the KGB. They figured he was crazy. he was. Most Marines I know could have made the shots, and while the Jack Ruby killing has always cast a shadow on the mess, I figure it's just bad Karma. Or maybe the Mob getting even with the CIA for Cuban insanity. Your choice. Also, the pyramids were built with smarts and enormous amounts of physical labor. No Aliens involved. Any Vatican conspiracies you like, enjoy, beats me. Bunch of messed up stuff there. Any questions? | ||
| Aesquire |
Pretty sure there are more sources of this besides this one dude. But whatever. We were not there at the time. Who knows?? I wasn't there either. I can't prove JFK is dead and not living with Elvis and Marilyn Monroe. But the guy is pretty clear about his purpose, which is to free the minds of the faithful from the bondage of religion. You know, an agenda, not a scholar. Lots of them around. If you look you can find many books on how Shakespeare didn't write the plays we had to sit through in High School. They sell them at the Shakespeare festival. And there are a bunch of lunatics that take the Bible ( KJV, OF Course ) and do intricate mathematics, to predict the End Times or every third word from every ninth paragraph.... to spell out how Jesus was an Alien, sent here by the Venusians... or something like that. The fact that the Bible was originally in Aramaic and the math used didn't use zero, which is an Indian Invention unknown in Europe, or Jerusalem, for at least 600 years after Jesus... doesn't seem to phase any of the crazy people. Or that it was translated into Attic Greek, then Latin, ( 2 more different math systems ) then Middle English, ( a Fourth math system ) before we get the version they do magic spells with. When those folk annoy me I tell them The Rapture was in 1984, and so few people were righteous, no one noticed.  | ||
| Sifo |
The fact that the Bible was originally in Aramaic and the math used didn't use zero, which is an Indian Invention unknown in Europe, or Jerusalem, for at least 600 years after Jesus... doesn't seem to phase any of the crazy people. Or that it was translated into Attic Greek, then Latin, ( 2 more different math systems ) then Middle English, ( a Fourth math system ) before we get the version they do magic spells with. Well the Lord had already seen all of this happen. BTW, repent by Thursday. Just sayin'... | ||
| Aesquire |
with only naturalism, life can have no true/objective meaning. DANG! Blake, how depressing! Of course there is Truth without God. It is incomplete, as all science is. An approximation, a feeble grasping for understanding of powers and distances both unimaginably huge and small. There is no conflict between Science and God. That's a construct of unhappy people, mostly Atheists. Famous TV "scientists" speak out about how the "god of the gaps" is a shrinking thing as we learn Everything. Ego and ignorance outside a narrow specialty. I don't expect expert financial advice from a physicist. Maybe a shoe shine boy. Religious advice from Mr. Wizard may be lacking in Rigor. There's a joke. A Monk made it his life's work to spell check the Bible. He learned Latin, Attic Greek, and Aramaic. For 40 years, Page by page, word by word he checked the Bible for error... One day a monk in the next cell heard him cry out "No! Oh No!", ran over to ask the problem, and got the response...... "The word isn't Celibate! It's Celebrate!" Have a nice Memorial day. | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Aesquire |
BTW, repent by Thursday. Just sayin'... See you on the Field of battle for Armageddon. I'll help reload. I'm assuming we're on the same side... I'm not going anywhere.  (Message edited by aesquire on May 24, 2015) | ||
| Tankhead |
Yeah that video of the confession even looked a little like obl. Nose must have gotten smooshed while living in his bat cave in the mountains of Afghanastan. It was a nice try though. Shame the gov had to admit it was a fake a few years later. | ||
| Tankhead |
And no I don't blame Willie or the alleged nineteen hijackers. Few of them are still alive, and one died a year before the attacks. Let's just leave it at that. | ||
| Aesquire |
Ok......... good idea. | ||
| Gusm2 |
Not wishing upset or put anyone down, most of you are a lot more eloquent than I am. Isn't the Bible a rehash of stories and myths the Jews brought back from their time in captivity in Babylon, and the New Testament commissioned by the Roman Emperor Constantine....if ya can't beat them join them kinda deal, in doing so became the first Holy Roman Emperor aka The Pope. To me its all about crowd control and money GOD SAVE US FROM RELIGION | ||
| Aesquire |
The old testament is the history of the tribes. Origin of the universe as understood by bronze age folk, and the captivity was by the Egyptians as seen in the movies. The new testament predates Constantine by centuries. Not all crowd control. Certainly how to live with others. Old school...I mean testament. ... Naturally in a patriarchal society there's a bunch of "elders know best" stuff. But also a lot of "the establishment is corrupt", leading to hard times for the tribes. So most of it reads like real history. Propaganda? Sure. Take all the "we rock cause we kick butt" stuff and balance it against the "we got hammered because we got away from the right way to live" and you have the contemporary version of today's "it all sucks because we got away from traditional values". Like any history it's a soap opera with adultery and betrayal, power hungry types and the oppressed, heroes and villains. New Testament is the radical Jesus pointing out the hypocrisy and corruption. .... so they killed him. Peace loving non violence types like Ghandi only have a shot if the oppressors are sentimental types ( on the backside of the decline of Empire ) against hard core Imperial the peace guys get killed. Ghandi would have been crushed by the Nazis. Jesus was screwed by the establishment that told the Romans he was a rebel. He was. But he was a threat to the rich & corrupt temple, not Rome. Using the oppressors to get revenge has a long and filthy history. Point the mob at the guy who screwed you over is a common thing today. Neighbor get your daughter pregnant? Broke your lawnmower & wouldn't get it fixed? Blows leaves on your lot? When the riots happen, point the mob at him..... How many true stories about denouncing your neighbor you envied to the Nazis or Soviets? Many. Too many. Denouncing your enemy to the occupiers is older than the Bible. So old it's. .......Biblical. Watch the George Carlin rant on the ten commandments. He cynically dissects the ones meant to keep folk in line.... | ||
| Aesquire |
If you think the Jewish soap opera is weird, look at the Greek pantheon. Bunch of horny jealous types and the mortals always get the raw end of the deal. Zeus & Hera read like Bill & Hillary. I will admit, Hillary may even be a murderous bit, but she never turned one of Bill's bimbos into a cow. Just metaphorically. .... (Message edited by aesquire on May 25, 2015) | ||
| Tankhead |
George Carlin. Now there is a guy I believe in. Him and Bill Hicks. He believed in Joe Pesci. Here is one of my favorite bits of his. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Joe Pesci. Two reasons; first of all, I think he's a good actor. Okay. To me, that counts. Second; he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't •••• around. Doesn't •••• around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with. For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog. Joe Pesci straightened that ••••-sucker out with one visit. I noticed that of all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers that I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50 percent rate. Half the time I get what I want. Half the time I don't. Same as God 50-50. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the rabbit's foot, and the wishing well. Same as the mojo man. Same as the voodoo lady who tells your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles. It's all the same; 50-50. So just pick your superstitions, sit back, make a wish and enjoy yourself. In the Bullshit Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit! (Message edited by tankhead on May 25, 2015) | ||
| Blake |
What true/objective (ultimate) meaning Tankhead? What truth Patrick? Absent God neither is possible. If no matter what you do, no matter how you behave, the end remains the same, nothing but ultimate oblivion and complete heat death of the universe, our lives are no more meaningful, of no more ultimate effect than the dirt under our feet. That is the cold stark reality of naturalism. Truth absent God? Then tell us something about the world around us that you know for certain? | ||
| Blake |
Gus, The Old Testament is comprised of books relating history, revelation, prophesy, law, poetry, and advice (proverbs). All deal with the revelation of and relationship of God with men. The New Testament is comprised of books and letters relating history, the earliest Christian church, prophecy, and revelation. All deal with the revelation of and relationship of God with men. The New Testament books and letters originated as early as fifteen years within the crucifixion of Jesus. The Roman authority mostly tried to wipe the early Christian church from existence. It was the church itself that convened under the prodding of the Roman empower Constantine, to officially declare its canon and its doctrine. The Roman govt had no vote in the matter, only the various church leaders of the world. Constantine's concern was to end disputes and foster harmony and cohesion within the Christian church as a whole, but he left it up to the church to achieve. He only arranged the meeting and observed. The history of the early Christian church is recorded for any who are interested. There's plenty to criticize in the human drama of church leadership throughout the past two millennia, but the perception you have is uncharitable at best, whacky conspiracy theory mostly. Love God and Love people. God Himself has paid our way to reconcile ourselves to Him. What a terrible conspiracy? Ever read any of the Gospels? When we do, it's vital to do so from the viewpoint of (in the context of) a first century Jew living in Roman occupied Palestine. Start with the Gospel according to John. | ||
| Blake |
Hah! Mostly what Patrick shared. Teach me to refresh and review before posting at length. It seems that many people today see evil deeds of church leaders as proof that Christianity is false. Gosh, imagine if we applied the same "logic" to science; science is invalid because of corrupt scientists? Silly ain't it? Evaluate the teachings of Christ, not the behavior of those who are corrupt. "I am the Truth, the Way, and the Life." "If you will abide in my word, ... you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." | ||
| Blake |
Mack, Speaking of typology, have you ever considered the parallels between the Jewish temple leadership and Vatican leadership? And woe to you experts in the law! For you weigh men down with burdens which they are not able to bear, but you yourselves do not touch the weight with even one of your fingers. (Luke 11:46 CPDV) Woe to you, experts in the law! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You yourselves do not enter, and those who were entering, you would have prohibited." (Luke 11:52 CPDV) Revering law over grace would seem contrary to Christ. His path is easy and his burden is light. But only if we trust Him (have faith in Him). Otherwise we end up trusting ourselves, and our unrighteousness makes for a painful path and a heavy burden. | ||
| Tankhead |
I'm confused, way too many meanings of the word truth according to the bible: Sorry so long but HUH? In Scripture, truth is characterized by both qualitative and quantitative aspects. In the historical narratives of the Old Testament, truth is identified with personal veracity and historical factuality. Before identifying himself to his brothers, Joseph desires to test them by commanding them to send one of their brothers as a prisoner, to see if there is truth in them ( Gen 42:16 ). Both Joseph's brothers and Achan claim to be speaking the truth when they confess their respective sins ( Gen 42:21 ; Joshua 7:20 ). Truth is also a quality used to describe utterances that are from the Lord. When Elijah intervenes for the son of the widow of Zarephath, bringing the boy back to life, the boy's mother remarks that now she knows that Elijah is a man of God, and that the word of the Lord in his mouth is truth. Ahab becomes angry with Micaiah, his personal incarcerated prophet, because the latter has given a sarcastic favorable forecast for battle. Ahab responds by saying, "How many times must I make you swear to tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?" ( 1 Kings 22:16 ; 2 Chron 18:15 ). The Psalter describes truth as a fundamental characteristic of God, a characteristic that the psalmist desires to share. The wicked do not speak truth ( 5:9 ), whereas the blameless one speaks truth from the heart ( 15:2 ). The psalmists often depict truth as a quality separate from God, and which God serves by virtue of his nature. In many instances, truth appears to be personified. The psalmist tells God to "guide me in your truth" ( 25:5 ); the psalmist asks God to "send forth your light and your truth" to lead him ( 43:3 ); the psalmist asks the Lord to "ride forth victoriously in behalf of truth" ( 45:4 ). The psalmist desires to walk in God's truth ( 86:11 ). Indeed, the sum of God's word is truth. Proverbs seldom speaks of truth, but when it does it defines it as a virtue that the person of God should practice. Truth is to proceed from one's mouth, and wickedness is an abomination to the lips ( 8 ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/ohwell.gif) ); the one who speaks the truth gives honest evidence ( 12:17 ); truth is described as a commodity that one should purchase, along with wisdom, instruction, and understanding ( 23:23 ). Jeremiah bemoans the fact that in Judah truth is absent. He tells the people that if they can find a man in Jerusalem who does justice and speaks truth, God will pardon the entire city ( 5:1 ). The Lord looks for truth ( 5:3 ), but it is notoriously absent from Judah ( 7:28 ; Jeremiah 9:3 Jeremiah 9:5 ). In Daniel, truth is an eschatological virtue related to the interpretations of the visions that God shows to Daniel. Daniel inquires of the truth of the vision of the four beasts ( Daniel 7:16 Daniel 7:19 ). The casting down of truth allows the little horn to act and prosper ( 8:12 ); the future dealings of the kings of Persia are referred to as the truth ( 10:21 ; 11:2 ). Zechariah commands his readers to speak the truth ( 8:16 ), and to love truth and peace ( 8:19 ). The Synoptic Gospels scarcely use the word truth at all, while in John it is an extremely significant term referring to Jesus and his ministry. Jesus, as the Word become flesh, is full of grace and truth ( 1:14 ), and is the source of grace and truth ( 1:17 ). In contrast to the woman at the well, who felt geographic location of worship was important, Jesus states that the issue is not whether one should worship God in Moriah or Gerizim, but rather one should worship in spirit and in truth. For John, truth is ultimately identified with, and is personified in the person of, Jesus Christ. The ministry of John the Baptist is to bear witness to the truth ( 5:33 ). Jesus speaks the truth, and for this the Jews seek to kill him ( 8:40 ). This is because the Jews who contended with Jesus were ultimately of their father the devil, who has no truth in him whatsoever ( 8:44-46 ). Jesus describes himself as the way, the truth, and the life, and as such he is the only means to the Father ( 14:6 ). Even when Jesus departs, the ministry of truth will continue because the Comforter, who is the Spirit of truth ( 14:17 ), will be active both in the church as well as in the world. For Paul, truth is the message of God that all of humanity has repressed ( Rom 1:18 ) and exchanged ( 1:25 ) for lie, in that they have directed their worship not to the Creator, but to the creation. All unbelievers ultimately do not obey the truth, which is embodied in the law ( Romans 2:8 Romans 2:20 ). In Galatians, truth is synonymous with the gospel, which the Judaizers have perverted by requiring converts to practice law observance ( Galatians 2:5 Galatians 2:14 ; 4:16 ; 5 ; cf. Eph 1:13 ; Col 1:5-6 ). In addition, Paul also uses truth to speak practically of the believer's deportment in following the Lord. Believers are to speak the truth to one another in a loving manner, as we grow up into submission to our head, namely Christ ( Eph 4:15 ). The importance of speaking the truth to one another is underscored by the fact that we are members of one another ( Eph 4:25 ). In 2 Thessalonians Paul equates the truth with the believers' salvation. Those who perish do so because they are under a wicked deception, and so refuse to love the truth and be saved ( 2:10 ). Such people are condemned because they did not believe the truth, but instead had pleasure in unrighteousness ( 2:12 ). God's choosing of the Thessalonian believers for salvation came about by means of sanctification by the Spirit as well as belief in the truth. Interestingly, the term "truth" does not appear in 1 Thessalonians. In the Pastoral Epistles, truth takes on the characteristics of a repository, or official body of beliefs, of which the church is the faithful steward and guardian. Salvation includes, and is likely synonymous with, knowledge of the truth ( 1 Tim 2:4 ). The church of the living God is both the pillar and ground of the truth. Knowledge of and belief in the truth prevents one from becoming entangled in erroneous doctrines, such as the belief that marriage is to be avoided, abstinence from certain foods is to be enjoined, and that godliness is a means of gain ( 1 Tim 4:3 ; 6:5 ), as well as the belief that the resurrection is past ( 2 Tim 2:18 ). Paul further encourages Timothy to guard the truth, which the Holy Spirit has entrusted to him ( 2 Tim 1:14 ). The Scriptures are themselves the word of truth ( 2 Tim 2:15 ). Individuals who oppose God and naively listen to others (i.e., Jannes and Jambres, Pharaoh's two magicians) never arrive at the truth, and, in fact, actually oppose it ( 2 Tim 3 -8 ). Paul informs Titus that the knowledge of the truth goes along with the furtherance of faith and with godliness ( Titus 1:1 ). Paul informs both Timothy and Titus that the only alternative to the truth is to believe in myths ( 2 Tim 4:4 ; Titus 1:14 ). While the term "truth" appears only sporadically in most of the General Epistles, it appears repeatedly throughout the Johannine epistles. To claim to have fellowship with God, and to walk in darkness, is not to live according to the truth ( 1 John 1:6 ). To claim sinlessness for the believer is to practice self-deceit and thus be void of truth ( 1 John 1:8 ). The basic message of Christianity is termed "the truth, " and believers know the truth, and can discern that no lie is of the truth ( 1 John 2:4 1 John 2:21 ). Believers are to love in both deed and in truth (i.e., "truly" 1 John 3:18 ). Believers are of the truth, which no doubt means that they belong to Jesus, who is the truth ( 1 John 3:19 ). Likewise, the fact that we are of God allows us to know the spirit (Holy Spirit?) of truth, and to discern it from the spirit of error ( 1 John 4:6 ). The truth abides with us forever ( 2 John 2 ), and the Elder rejoices because the elect lady's children follow the truth ( 2 John 4 ; cf. also 3 John 4 ). Further references in 3 John indicate that the Elder refers to Jesus Christ as "the truth" ( 3 John 1:3 3 John 1:4 3 John 1:8 3 John 1:12 ). Interestingly, the term "truth" does not occur in Revelation. (Message edited by tankhead on May 25, 2015) | ||
| Tankhead |
Here is the other definition that I consider, it's from the dictionary: noun, plural truths [trooth z, trooths] (Show IPA) 1. the true or actual state of a matter: He tried to find out the truth. 2. conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement. 3. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like: mathematical truths. 4. the state or character of being true. 5. actuality or actual existence. 6. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude. 7. honesty; integrity; truthfulness. | ||
| Tankhead |
If no matter what you do, no matter how you behave, the end remains the same, nothing but ultimate oblivion and complete heat death of the universe, our lives are no more meaningful, of no more ultimate effect than the dirt under our feet. That is the cold stark reality of naturalism. I'm OK with this. I will be dead. I will be the opposite of alive. As I mentioned before, I believe that I was born and then I will die. I love the earth beneath my feet, especially out in the four corners area. I wish I could get out there again. Awe inspiring and so peaceful. And mind blowing color in the rocks. Beautiful. Yes I know I will die. My life has value now, not because of something after that. My reality is the present with hopes and work towards the later years of my life to enjoy peacefully with my wife before we both die. Death yes It's sad but TRUTH. | ||
| Tankhead |
I see you live in Texas... I have always wanted to visit Big Bend. Have you been? Looks incredible. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Tank, what were your thoughts on the role of morality in evolutionary processes? | ||
| Tankhead |
Hey there ft. I'm enjoying my pool with my wife on this beautiful day. I will ponder that. My brother has many books on the subject. I'll get back to you. Happy memorial day. Bring the troops home.....  . | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
It's raining here. No pool for me. | ||
| Mackja |
WHAT IS TRUTH! Pontius Pilate asked the question to Jesus, “What is Truth”. As it turns out, Pontius was staring The Truth right in the face and didn’t even know it. Jesus Christ proclaimed that He is The Truth in John 14:6: Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me. The term I AM is the name of God that Moses learned way back in Exodus 3:14: God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, `I AM has sent me to you.'" So when Jesus said “I Am” the Truth, He was really saying that God is Truth. So many people today believe that what they think is the truth, regardless of what God says in His Word. Their ego and pride are so big that they have convinced themselves that whatever ideas they come up with regarding abortion, homosexuality, money, etc., are true, because it seems true to their 40 or 50 year old mind. In other words, truth to a lot of people is subjective, not objective. When worldly people use the term “I think for myself”, it is supposed to proclaim to the ignorant Christian that they are somehow smarter than we are, who blindly follow the Pope, the Bible, or the Church. (Proverbs 3:5 says " Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not rely on your own insight.") But just look how silly this "I think for myself and therefore whatever I come up with is true" philosophy. A camera is a camera whether or not you believe it to be. If one person says that a camera is really a cow, that doesn’t make it a cow, no matter how sincere the person may be, and how convinced the person’s mind may be. And if God says in his word that homosexuality, sorcery, adultery, etc., are evil, how stupid is it of man to believe otherwise? Truth is truth, no matter how much man may rationalize otherwise. And signing up to follow a set of principles as espoused in the Bible is not “blindly following the Pope”. Rather, obeying what is true is good and right, and is a virtue, not a vice. Going off on your own way because you “feel” it’s right is a vice. What if you’re going the wrong way? Where will you end up 100 years from now by following what you “feel” is best? Heaven or Hell? The devil, called by Jesus “the father of lies” in John 8:44, has done a great job of convincing the Media, Madison Avenue, and Hollywood (an unholy trinity if there ever was one), that evil is good and good is evil. The bible condemns this upside down thinking in Isaiah 5:20: Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! And yet, that is exactly the kind of society we live in today. GK Chesterton, the great Catholic writer of the early twentieth century, once said that only dead bodies go with the current. It takes live ones to swim against it. And that is so true. It’s so easy to go with the flow, rather than to speak The Truth and get made fun of for being a bible thumper. The biggest battle most parents have today is convincing their children that what they see on TV, billboards, and in the movies is garbage, and what they learn in church on Sunday is The Truth. We are all being inundated with lies when we watch entertainment. For instance, when there is a death or an imminent catastrophe about to happen on a show, how many people do you see praying? None. When a clergyman is portrayed in a TV show, is it a positive or a negative portrayal? More than likely it’s a negative one. When marriage is portrayed on TV, is it holy, or unholy? Unholy, most likely. And just how many times do we hear organizations like the military and schools ignore the term “Christmas”, in favor of the innocuous term “holiday”? In John 8:44, Jesus compares lying to murder: You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. Here are some great quotes from God regarding what truth is: Isaiah 45:19 I did not speak in secret, in a land of darkness; I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, `Seek me in chaos.' I the LORD speak the truth, I declare what is right. Ezra 45:1: "Now concerning the signs: behold, the days are coming when those who dwell on earth shall be seized with great terror, and the way of truth shall be hidden, and the land shall be barren of faith. Psalm 45:8: The LORD is near to all who call upon him, to all who call upon him in truth. John 1: 14 : And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father. John 1:17: For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 8: 31-32: Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, "If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." John 8:44: You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 14:6: Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me. John 15:26: but when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness to me; John 16: 7: Nevertheless I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. John 16:13: When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. John 18: 37-38: Pilate said to him, "So you are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say that I am a king. For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world, to bear witness to the truth. Every one who is of the truth hears my voice." Pilate said to him, "What is truth?" After he had said this, he went out to the Jews again, and told them, "I find no crime in him. Romans 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of men who by their wickedness suppress the truth. Romans 1:25: because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever! Amen. Galatians 4: 16: Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth? 1 Timothy 3: 15: if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. 1 John 1: 6: If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth; 1 John 1:8: If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 4:6: We are of God. Whoever knows God listens to us, and he who is not of God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. 1 Timothy 1:8-10: Now we know that the law is good, if any one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, immoral persons, sodomites, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine. 1 John 2: 4: He who says "I know him" but disobeys his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 1 John 2:22: Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 1 John 4:20: If any one says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. 1John 5:10: He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne to his Son. Revelation 21:8: But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death." So don't be like Pontius Pilate and question what truth is. Truth is whatever God, His Word, and His Church says it is, not what we may think it is, or what we wish it to be. Jesus Christ is Truth, and the devil is the father of lies. Thinking for yourself when it comes to deciding what truth is may seem smart and right, but listening to what The Word says is the better, and only true, path to take. God sent the Holy Spirit to guide His Church in Truth, not to each individual person. Sinful priests today do not negate what the Truth is, anymore than the sinful Judas and Peter negated what Jesus taught way back when. And intelligent people need to discern (a gift of the Holy Spirit, by the way) when people are giving their strong personal opinions cleverly disguised and packaged as fact. People can be sincere in their opinions, for sure, but also be sincerely wrong. CS Lewis once remarked that Hell is full of people who said "My will be done". Heaven is full of people who said "Thy will be done", so choose wisely ! | ||
| Tankhead |
I often say the same. I am who I am. Jesus and I have a lot in common | ||
| Tankhead |
I'm going to ask a question that unfortunately is very personal for those who wish to answer. How many of you who have been responding are considered born again Christian? Of those, how many of you have had prior substance (drugs our alcohol) addictions and then became born again. I mean no disrespect at all but I'm interested. And because it's truth. Sorry if it's offensive don't mean it to be but curious. | ||
| Tankhead |
Regarding your question FT. I started looking at various articles , stanford, wiki, blah blah blah. here is the deal. I believe that we are a product of our environment. From the moment we are born till the moment we die we are bombarded with influence. For millions of years the environment, codes of right and wrong throughout the ages, experiential learning, hot rock burns, ice cold water can kill quickly, we would not like to die so don't kill others, we would not like it for someone to steal our fire so we probably should not do that to other. I like my four wives so I would not like it if someone else tried to screw them. My daughter and son should learn from me cause I know stuff. blah blah blah. Logic throughout the ages. Now unfortunately in the last 10000 years we have the ability for communication in text. media so to speak. People abuse this for power and money. Family values throughout the years. Shit look at Prescott Bush for example. So I guess my quick answer FOR ME> is environment. | ||
| Tankhead |
Ok I have been spending too much time here. I need a break. My family is wondering what I am doing on the computer "all there time" SO long.. | ||
| Blake |
Tank, So you're fine with life having no real objective meaning? Rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic suits your fancy, so no need for any real purpose in life? The annals of thinking men are rife with the persuit of the meaning of life, of true ultimate purpose of creation. I think that it was C.S. Lewis who noted that just as our hunger demonstrates that food must be real, the strong desire for true meaning and purpose of life in itself shows that it too must exist. If not for light, we'd never speak of "dark." Likewise meaning and purpose also exist. If they didn't, we'd have no sense of such things. |
