| Author | Message | ||
     Johnshore |
Scott Walker the Governor of Wisconsin is running for President. Maybe we should remind him when he's out there fundraising that for some of the people he will talk to 20 Million is a pittance and would help some talented Americans. Contact at http://walker.wi.gov/contact-us | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
seriously? come on bro.... | ||
| Pwnzor |
Those talented Americans should have no trouble finding new jobs. EBR is done. | ||
| Buelliedan |
do you own an EBR Johnshore? If not then you are part of the reason why EBR closed not Gov Walker | ||
| Pwnzor |
do you own an EBR Johnshore? If not then you are part of the reason why EBR closed not Gov Walker That's a ridiculous statement. | ||
| Hootowl |
If the rumors are true, Hero's failure to pay for service rendered is the reason EBR closed. | ||
| Buelliedan |
Pwnzor, Why is that a ridiculous statement? If all the folks who are on here now crying about the shutdown of EBR would have bought an EBR this past year don't you think they would have been in better financial shape? Let say just 200 more people would have bought EBRs this past year. The dealer cost for a bike was an average of $14,000 so that would have been $2,800,000 extra dollars in EBRs bank account. That could have been quite significant for EBR when they were trying to secure more funding would it not? It just irks me to read all of these posts saying what EBR and hero should have done differently from folks who do not even own an EBR. If you do not own one you have no skin in the game IMO. (Message edited by buelliedan on May 07, 2015) | ||
| Buelliedan |
And yes I do own one. A 2012 1190RS. | ||
| Reindog |
Buelliedan, We are all Buell enthusiasts here and fans of Erik Buell. EBR made a conscious decision to build a motorcycle that doesn't fit the profile of the average Badwebber: middle-age, and likes to wrench on bikes. Your statement is simply not accepted by some here. The really sad part is that the AX would have possibly been a serious replacement for the aging Uly fleet. | ||
| S2t_bama |
I would have thought net profit to EBR on those bikes would be something more like 20% = $2,800 each. 200 x $2,800 = $560,000 right? Would that have gotten them over the hump or enabled them to survive the rumored nonpayment by Hero? | ||
| Buelliedan |
Reindog, That was the path that Erik decided to take. This was the bike he always wanted to build. He had it on the books even before HD shut down Buell. It was called the Barracuda. So for you to say you are fans of his but then did not like the EBRs is contradictory. Obviously you are not a fan of his "new" designs from your statement You cannot have it both ways. (Message edited by buelliedan on May 07, 2015) | ||
| Buelliedan |
The only person who probably knows what it really would have taken for them to survive is the EBR accountant. I just love how everyone here seems to be 100% convinced that Hero is this awful company who screwed EBR over. Do you think EBR would have even made an 1190 RX or SX had it not been for Hero buying in? You guys all seem to have this idea that Hero was just supposed to give them money but then was not supposed to have any imput in how the company was run? That's not how business works folks. | ||
| Reindog |
My opinion was clearly and unambiguously stated about Buells, Erik Buell, and EBR. I had a dream about an air cooled, with fuel in the frame AX. That was my wish but I am no Martin Luther King. | ||
| Buelliedan |
In the end the only opinions that really matter are heros and EBRs and their creditors as they are the ones who have lost millions of dollars on this. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Those talented Americans should have no trouble finding new jobs. There is an EBR employees group on Facebook helping them do just that. I have to agree, EBR is done. Their employees, including the engineers, are moving on. | ||
| Greatlaker |
Badwebber. Middle aged. Conservative. White male. Yearning for air cooled power. Yet EBR failed. Go figure. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
If only Erik had installed 22 inch chrome rims on his bikes he might still be in business. | ||
| Greg_e |
As much as I would have liked one, they were all way too much coin for me. That is part of the biggest reason they didn't sell. Lack of dealers was another. And lack of advertising was a third. Building a smaller engine that was less expensive might have helped, but probably not. Building a touring machine might have helped. Building a solid police machine might have helped. Lots of things might have helped, but here we are. | ||
| Hootowl |
"You guys all seem to have this idea that Hero was just supposed to give them money but then was not supposed to have any imput in how the company was run? That's not how business works folks." Paying for services rendered is not 'giving them money'. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
I just want to return to the original post and how silly it is to contact a candidate and ask them to get their friends to fund a bike company. He's probably asking for campaign funds, not giving a damn about EBR | ||
| Reindog |
That is exactly what Shrillary and her pedophile husband would do. | ||
| Oddball |
Buelliedan, You have a beautiful machine and the ability to afford a bike at that level. Not an option for many. When the RX was unveiled i thought it was an interesting bike but not in a price range i would or could consider. I was fine watching from a distance. Down the road conditions on my end might improve. It would appear i was not entirely alone in that stand. The SX is also a nice machine. The AX, who knows how good it could have been beyond the elves. The pricing, begun last fall and continued onward with the spring clearance event, in my opinion should have been the list price. It would have a been an edge against the competition which holds the high ground. Significant results on the tracks would also have garnered attention. I hadn't been on this site in years to see how things were going but hoped things were going well until I heard of another 15th announcement. I did go and look at a couple dealers as a result. Nice machines. | ||
| Sprintst |
Having a viable USED market is important too. Just because someone didn't buy a NEW EBR doesn't mean them buying a used one is meaningless. The used market helps fuel the new market. Still, Hero owned EBR $20m for engineering work. With an average NET profit of 10%, EBR would need to sell over 10,000 motorcycles to cover that loss | ||
| Nobuell |
A company will not sell enough bikes to sustain it and do the R&D required for new offerings in the first couple years of operation. There has to be a long term plan with the funding inplace for the longer term it will take for the company to become profitable. More than likely, had EBR sold every bike they made, that would not have been enough to offset design, tooling, advertising and the many other cost required to run the company. Next the company must produce a bike people want to purchase. The RX has a very small market compared to other models. Perhaps the AX may have helped, either way it would have taken a few years to start getting market share. At best, racing was a distraction, at worst a money pit. It was a very expensive marketing effort that yielded very low if not damaging results especially WSBK. Unfortunately, it is now the second sad chapter of Buell. Please bear in mind that outside of this and a couple other boards, there really are few dyed in the wool enthusiasts. EBR does not need to market to the dyed in the wool enthusiasts, it is all of the rest that are needed to be successful. Blaming or insinuating that the people on this board caused EBR to be unsuccessful is plain absurd. | ||
| Bads1 |
Just because someone didn't buy one Dan doesnt mean they aren't entitled to there opinion. Sounds like you are bitter because you are the one that invested in being a dealer. | ||
| Buelliedan |
I have nothing more to say. All this "speculation" does absolutely zero to help change anything. | ||
| Court |
Yeah ...... Imagine how I felt when I was stating my opinions and concerns and you lambasted me about having an axe to grind with Buell. There are ...... In my opinion ..... About zero accurate facts that are public including the silly sales numbers folks have cite and the wildly speculative financial guesses .... That all presume Indian law and USA law are similar. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Don't worry, Obama's TPP will level the playing field for U.S. corporations. | ||
| Buelliedan |
Court, Yes I did say that as you have a habit of only giving half the story and then never finish it leaving us to wonder why? You obviously knew more than you were saying. Yes I agree with you that there are very little facts being presented here or in the magazine articles. (Message edited by buelliedan on May 08, 2015) | ||
| Oddball |
It will be interesting, perhaps infuriating, when the details are known. If the speculation of underhanded actions by Hero are correct no-one should trust anything they ever say. If the missed price point is correct than the market analysis was incorrect at the beginning of the venture. If the race results had been better than ho-hum also ran in wsbk maybe more traffic would have visited the dealers. It could be argued those results hurt sales more than it helped. Yes, this is all speculation which is all any here can do about the situation. |
