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Crusty
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2015 - 04:40 pm: | 
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I wear a Schuberth C3. it fits me better than any other helmet that I've ever worn, and it was made in Germany. |
Tootal
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2015 - 05:23 pm: |
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The Schuberth's fit more of a square head, go figure, and the Nolan fits a more oval head. I use to use the old BMW helmets up to the third generation which was bought in Germany and brought back since they didn't import them anymore. Since then I've been using Nolans. Fits great, for me, and I will only own the modular. It's a great convenience when wearing glasses or you want to take a sip of water etc. |
Dutch_x1
| | Posted on Saturday, January 17, 2015 - 10:17 pm: |
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just bought my fourth shoei helmet and i can assure you that they do what they need to do.
had two very bad accidents and surgeons told me i must have had a very good helmet . broke a lot of bones but my brain was saved . |
Greatlaker
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 10:27 am: |
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Erik Buell uses an HJC helmet.
"HJC Factories dedicating to quality and a reasonable price. HJC has 4 factories based in South Korea, North Korea, China, and Vietnam, which produce more than one Million helmets per year. Your helmet is hand-made by very skilled workers with over 40 steps in that process."
I wonder what percentage of helmets produced by HJC are made in North Korea? can a helmet be made in north korea or china or vietnam and still be made by a "skilled worker". Or is that just a bunch of hyperbole for us round eyes? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 11:00 am: |
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Canada needs a helmet maker.
No shortage of skilled folk there. Multiple small airplane manufacturers, other high tech businesses.
The question is can you make a product at a profit. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 11:09 am: |
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How old is that quote?
I wonder when HJC went into N. Korea and if they sell those products here.
This round eye has no doubt a properly trained person from any country can run a molding machine. There are cultures I don't trust to provide good quality control people without training and indoctrination in the right attitudes.
For example, I'd be nervous about flying a Saudi built airplane. ( which is probably foolish since it would be built by guys from India and inspected by guys from Canada. ... ) |
Greatlaker
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 11:45 am: |
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Aesquire.
Do us all a favor and give us a list of cultures you do trust.
I bet its a pretty short list. With the main defining features being white, christian, and preferably english speaking.
Canada has Joe Rocket. They have a line of helmets which I would imagine are made in Asia. Certainly, most of the Joe Rocket leather products are from India and Pakistan. Back in the old days, Joe Rocket's first leather items were made in designed and made in Canada, but of course those days are long gone. The products are designed in Canada and outsourced all over.
HJC has operations in the Kaesong Industrial Region. I am amazed your were not aware of that. Google it. All south Korean manufacturers that create goods in the KIR can label those products as made in "Korea" without the prefix of north or south. |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 12:11 pm: |
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Some of the very high quality products coming from China are requiring a real paradigm shift |
Doz
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 01:04 pm: |
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"Paradigm shift" = no other choice, or so it seems. Yes there are many quality products made in China. There were better products made here, but the list of manufactures grows smaller each quarter.
The real issue is one of being in a throw-away society. Want quality? Then pay for it.
Want something new each year? then buy cheap products. Of course it is also a matter of economics. I wear bell helmets cause they fit and supposedly we're to replace our lids every 5 years or so. I also wear a Vanson race suit, this thing will outlast me. I'll buy quality US products when I can.
The OP brought up the disgust over having thought he was buying one thing and instead found otherwise. Hard to know sometimes and certainly understandable. It would be nice to have more choices and the option to support your own country. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 01:05 pm: |
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Sorry, Greatlaker, I only trust Eskimo Esperanto speaking female wiccans. ( you missed a checkbox on your cliche list ) |
Phelan
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 02:51 pm: |
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Greatlaker, I believe HJC makes the Joe Rocket 🚀 helmets, at least they did the Carbon Fiber one I had. Currently I have an XL Joe Rocket RX1000, but only because the Bell I tried to get was out of stock everywhere online. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 02:58 pm: |
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About 25 years ago I read a very interesting article about sailboard manufacturing in China. The same factory was producing both, some of the top of the line boards as well as cheap inexpensive boards. It has little to do with what the Chinese are capable of, and everything to do with what is specified by the customer. Buying cheap stuff built for a Chinese company though, and you can expect junk. |
Court
| | Posted on Sunday, January 18, 2015 - 04:21 pm: |
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I've got about 7 Arai helmets ......... It appears the Japanese have been light years ahead of the world.
I agree about it being tough to tell ...... Fender amplifiers play the "Designed in Corona, CA" trick. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 12:01 am: |
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Greatlaker, thanks for the tip on the Korean manufacturing.
I would prefer not to support the bad regimes, China, N. Korea, Burma, etc. But bear no ill will towards the people under those regimes.
I "don't like" the problems you get when you import workers to do cheap labor, creating an underclass to be exploited. Also not happy that exporting the jobs is common, which is why people complain about not being able to get, or afford, native build goods.
Do Foreign factories in places like Vietnam or China prop up the regimes or help the people with more wealth?
Complex problem, I sure don't have the answers.
Your opinion? |
Steveford
| | Posted on Monday, January 19, 2015 - 11:59 am: |
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I just felt gypped.
Kind of like ordering a Maserati, popping the hood and finding a Toyota motor in there. |
Steveford
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 - 11:32 am: |
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Suomy sells out (taken from their web site);
At the end of the same year (2013) Suomy changes nationality, A private hedge fund bought the brand ownership for all the world except for the ski, bicycle and horse sections.
Even if the production is made overseas, most of the raw materials, such as Kevlar and fabric, and helmets’ components, such as visors, is still made in Italy. |
Steveford
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 05:43 pm: |
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My shop demo Suomy Apex showed, Made In Italy.
I had to remove some of the foam in the cheek panels to get it to fit my fat little face but once that was done, it's going to work out just fine.
Now onto the jacket and then pick up that Triumph Sprint... |
Fast1075
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2015 - 06:42 pm: |
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Things are not always as they seem. My aging Joe Rocket RKT101 Carbon was in fact built by HJC, it uses HJC shields and cheek pads, but is not a pure round head shape like most HJC helmets.
It has since been replaced by a Scorpion R-410 which fits better, is quieter, has better aero, and the speakers for my Sena fit better without interfering with my ears. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 07:36 am: |
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I have never paid for a helmet.
As a result I have been wearing HJC for my last 3 lids.
Best I ever had was an Arai F1. |
Arcticktm
| | Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 12:59 pm: |
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Using China, Korea and Japan like they are interchangeable is out of touch with the truth.
They are all very different cultures.
It can be hard to get Japanese and Chinese to trust each other. Japanese cars can be a tough sell in China, compared to Buicks.
I have had Chinese coworkers describe Japanese cars as "low quality", which would surprise a lot of Americans.
There is a lot of bad history between China/Japan.
I can accept that someone may want to avoid made in China for political/human rights issues, as well as a hard to predict quality history, but it's pretty tough to make that case against S. Korea and Japan. Especially Japan.
It might be time to retire the way out of date term "Oriental" as some sort of attempt at making all of those cultures into 1.
Anyway, I've had helmets from all over the world, including Italy and Japan.
I'll give my Korean made HJC's and my current Japanese Arai big quality marks over my 2 Italian helmets, though they were all good helmets in my view.
Never even saw a helmet made in US in the modern day. Like looking for a US made TV, I think.
No argument that Arai and Shoei are $$$ of course, as is Schuberth.
I also think it's hard to accuse a Japanese company of outsourcing...to Japan. |
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