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Blake
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 06:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/29/ch icago-concealed-carry-gun-permit-law-disarms-poo/

Same old story dating to slavery and then later the Klan.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 08:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

People don't realize how true that is.

Non violent protests didn't stop southern KKK terrorism like lynching. Armed blacks did. Without armed blacks, the non violent protesters would not have survived.
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Could it be that the most crime ridden neighborhood contains the most number of criminals? Folks who can't pass the background check required for the issuance of a concealed carry permit? Could that explain the disparity? I'd like to see a comparison of application numbers, and rejection numbers (and why), not just permits issued. Permits issued doesn't tell the whole story.
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99savage
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

“She drinks whiskey, and she swears, and she is a Republican, which makes her a low, foul creature.” That was one schoolgirl’s description of Mary Fields, a.k.a. Stagecoach Mary, who is an obvious candidate for induction into the inaugural class in the American Bad-Ass Hall of Fame. Miss Fields was a freed slave who worked for some years as the foreman of a Catholic mission in what was then the Montana territory, hauling freight through blizzards and fighting wolves to defend the nuns’ cargo.

She lost that job after a professional dispute with a hired man ended in a gunfight. Gary Cooper, who was slightly acquainted with her, tells it like this: “Mary had a fondness for hard liquor that was matched only by her capacity to put it away, and it’s historical fact that one of Cascade’s early mayors, D. W. Monroe, gave special permission to let Mary drink in the saloons with men, a privilege, if you want to call it that. Born a slave somewhere in Tennessee, some say in 1832, Mary lived to become one of the freest souls ever to draw breath or a .38.”





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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There were several organizations that preceded the current "black panthers".

While the current black panther movement seems (to me anyway) focused on thug enforced reverse racism, the original movements (like the Deacons) were strong and quiet black men, many of which fought honorably in WWII. Having come fresh off a fighting racist fascists, they had a remarkably clear sense for what justice really is.

They would not start a fight, but by God, they would finish one.

I wish I could shake their hands.

(Message edited by reepicheep on October 02, 2014)
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here in FL it's a lot less expensive. A class can be taken for $50 and the application fee is $112. Military, veterans, and those who have taken a hunter's safety course can apply with no additional training.

IIRC the carry permits and requirements started as a compromise after an all out ban on pistols was sought nationally. In FL after the permits were approved further restrictions were put on open carry.

Concealed carry has so many restrictions I'm not carrying half the time.

I've got mixed feelings over the whole thing. For every step forward there's a half step back.

Gun Free Zone is a damn stupid concept.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jeff,

It's the fees, upwards of $600 to get licensed. No poor person is going to afford that.

So let's hear it for... Free Govt Guns!
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are far more poor whites than poor blacks. Seems to me that there's more in play here than meets the eye. I'm not disputing that gun laws, from their inception, are designed to keep blacks from being able to protect themselves, but this particular enclave, given the number of criminals living there, can't be a good marker for whether racism is in play in the issuing of permits.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In Ohio, its $75 to $300 for the privately run class and test to get the certificate (choose as fancy a one as you want), and then $50 for the sheriff application. Lasts for 5 years.

They do a good job.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We are talking about Chicago here. Chicago's poor tend to be blacks. They also have a high percentage of criminal records, so they won't pass background checks.

There is some degree of racism there though, at least as it has been defined in recent years. Chicago has for years forced gun owners to jump through expensive hoops to purchase a weapon. There are also virtually no gun ranges in Chicago, so you need to travel to get the required training. Then you also need the blessing of the county Sheriff's office. The Cook County Sheriff hasn't exactly been a CCW proponent, so there may or may not be a discriminatory element here.

I have two words though, that have become near and dear to the hearts of progressives. Disparate impact. If that's all you need to prove racism these days, then case closed!

BTW, no laser sights are allowed in Chicago. Apparently they don't want you to be able to hit your target either. Chicago is froot loop city when it comes to guns.
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Rick_a
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

NJ doesn't allow hollowpoint ammunition. I guess effectiveness and overpenetration aren't concerns.

When I lived in NYS friends warned me not to cite personal protection on my pistol permit application as it would be denied. Using "sport or hunting" would assure approval. If that isn't overstepping bounds...

The chief LEO responsibility is to confirm eligibility, nothing else.

In my current and surrounding counties people set up trusts for NFA items for similar issues. Chief officials don't like certain NFA items and refuse to sign off for eligible registrants, so they are simply sent on behalf of a trust or corporation instead.

The abuses of power and rights infractions are everywhere.

(Message edited by Rick_A on October 02, 2014)
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Malott442
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

7 bucks in birmingham. NO CLASS
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Illinois is $150 for the license. Requires an 16 hours of class. I paid $140 for that. Then pay for finger printing. Chicago has run the gun ranges out, so you have to travel to take your class. Cook county has an additional $25 "tax" on guns. That's on top of some of the countries highest sales taxes in the country. I think they also have a special tax on ammo. Chicago also requires a gun permit, even if you don't want to carry. I'm not sure what's all involved in that, but I know it requires class time that can't be had in Chicago. Then you wonder why there's a black market for guns in Chicago?
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Court
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Little different here . . . figure about $50k to start off and . . . well, I hate to say it . . but you pretty much have to know someone. A glance at the list reveals pretty much a "A list" of the famous and wealthy.

Friend in Staten Island had one . . . he was among the wealthy and did fine until he was passing a NJ Highway Patrolman on his S1 and the leg of his jeans fluttered, revealing his ankle holster.

You see . . . . even though you can toss a rock from NY to NJ . . . well, it's "out of state" and the conviction there would have put an end to his license.

Another . . roughly . . .$30,000 spread around did the trick.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah NYC has that reputation.

Like Washington D.C. where you have to know someone. and it's a very incestuous group.

Racism? You haven't touched it.

http://jpfo.org/

go to the video. "No guns for Negroes"

These guys understand "Never Again".
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Ourdee
Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I like this bumper sticker;




Getting licensed in Illinois was all about the money. There are so many places you can't carry it is insane. I went to C(r)ook county armed to find a large number of businesses that had the don't shop here signs posted.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Friday, October 03, 2014 - 08:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Patric did you ever meet Aaron Zelman he was a cool guy tough as nails and a kind Gentleman. I met him at a Temple we take care of.
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Torquehd
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 01:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This isn't racism, it's stupidity. Liberal states want to make weapons painful to obtain and carry, how does that surprise you?

There are plenty of white people, and brown people, and whatever race you wish to insert here, who earn under $48,000 a year.

My father never earned more than $30,000 a year until he opened his own business, 14 years ago. My brother and I were both in high school at that point.

We were poor, but we did fine. My dad didn't even own a gun. We were good, moral people, living in a good, moral town.

After I got an education at a tech school and started working at a Harley dealership as a factory certified technician, I NEVER made anywhere close to $48,000 a year until a few years ago. I had joined the army and was an NCO before I ever saw that much money in a year. And that's only because I spent 11 months of that year in the desert getting tax-free combat pay.

If the point here is that black people tend to be poor... you'd better think again. African Americans make up, what, less than 1/4 of the US population? So what if some neighborhood in IL has more blacks than whites. The three points (money, race, policies created by liberal f$%ks) may coincide in this one town, but I highly doubt that this is why the democrat bastards influenced the $650 regulation into effect.

I guess my point is... Illinois is a liberal state that wants to make access to firearms difficult. I don't think they care if you're rich or poor, the politicians just don't like the idea that you can carry - so they want to make it hurt.

Secondly, if you don't like living in a crime-riddled neighborhood, why are you living in a crime-riddled neighborhood? If only there were grants given to minorities, just because they're minorities.... if only businesses and government agencies were encouraged to meet racial quotas..... Please don't tell me that their culture doesn't allow them to succeed.

This all comes down to politicians who base their policies on the opinions of the Film Actors Guild, rather than common sense and experience.

Please tell me how this is racism.

(Message edited by torquehd on October 04, 2014)
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 07:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Watch the video on the origins of gun control.
The slave owners party has led the way. ...... and yes poor people are the victims no matter the skin color.

The aim has always been to disarm the slaves.

You just got added to the list.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Torque, I would have agreed to you, but I am really beginning to believe the Democratic party has embraced Blacks in order to better keep them on the plantation. A bigger plantation, sure, but still a plantation.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/208 8gl/president_lbj_ill_have_those_ns_voting_democra tic/

dubious quote from a book and no direct attribution possible...

Probably not a good quote...

However, As a hypothetical.

If you were a racist politician, and you wanted to break up the black family, crank up a high illegitimacy ( 70% ) have high unemployment for blacks , especially young black men, and have them as dependent as possible on you and your nationwide plantation.......

What would you do different than Congress actually did?
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Sifo
Posted on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just ran across a bit of good news for those who live in the Republic of Chicago...

BREAKING: Court Strikes Down Chicago’s De Facto Ban on Firing Ranges

No doubt new legislation is in the works.
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