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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2014 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now the US has really gone and done it!

If factual, it's something I've warned would happen eventually so let's not be calling this the proof you've hoped for all along. It's fresh news. Let's not blow it all out of proportion ; )


Rocket in England
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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2014 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Writing in large capital letters does not have any effect on the voracity of your statements. It just makes you appear angry and silly.

Apologies. I assumed you were blinded by your bigotry.


A blockade to cut your enemy's supply lines is a perfectly legitimate tactic.

Back in 2007 Hamas and Fatah formed a Palestinian government. Hamas took control of Gaza, taking over government without Fatah. Israel claim without Fatah there's no security in Gaza. Their response was to seal the border. Where pray tell is the legitimacy of such actions? If anything, Israel have worsened the rift with their attempts to control (imprison) the Palestinian people in their own land.


Rocket in England
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2014 - 04:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Apologies. I assumed you were blinded by your bigotry."

Thanks for that. : ) Good chuckle.

"If anything, Israel have worsened the rift"

That may be true. Tough call. Appease your enemy and let them have access to unlimited supplies and weapons so that they can come at you with everything they can muster, or piss them off and blockade them. I know what I'd do.
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Court
Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2014 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I haven't even been following this silliness in the Ukraine . . but I am loving the most recent Russian lie . . . . "all of our troops just simultaneously decided to go on vacation in the Ukraine and drive their tanks and military vehicles".

The UN is in Emergency Session about this "en masse vacation" . . . . but you have to hand it to the Russians . . . this is the best diplomatic comedy since Baghdad Bob!
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2014 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

About that blockade. You know, blocking an indigenous population of their rights and amenities to a good or at least reasonable quality of life. Are we getting somewhere?

Yes, about that blockade. It became necessary to stop suicide bombers blowing themselves up on buses and in cafes, where innocent children were targeted.

If factual, it's something I've warned would happen eventually so let's not be calling this the proof you've hoped for all along.

Funny thing, but I seem to remember everyone BUT you warning that this would eventually happen.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2014 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Misses that don't miss schools, hospitals, markets, dwellings

No, those are hits. If the target shows secondaries, it was legit. They have missed though, no technology is perfect.


Including the women and children who happen to be in their way. You've made your point (excuses) quite clear despite your sentimental explanations.

Sentimental, sure. I'd love it if it was easier to target the leadership that uses hostages. It's a terrible thing to have to deal with evil men who hide behind children. ( that would be Hamas, in this case. Vladimer doesn't put artillery in a school yard. Does he? ) I'm glad I don't have to make the decision to use deadly force against hostage takers. It's a hard call. If it was a lone nut in a store holding children in front of him while screaming demands, you try and move a precision shooter into place, and negotiate until it is clear to you that he will kill the hostages anyway. As the US Navy SEALS say, "it sucks to be a hostage". ( because it's very very hard to stop determined murderers from killing the hostages )

In the case of Gaze, Hamas has already murdered many, will murder more, and will keep shooting, no matter what they say, since they have never kept their word. As a statistical sample 15 times out of 15 isn't mathematically Never, but it's a definite trend, no?

Hamas isn't a guy in a shop. It's a group who are hiding in hospitals, shops, apartment buildings, schools, Un refugee centers, etc. They wear no uniform to hide behind the civilians, in violation of international law. The use ambulances to move troops and munitions.

And they keep shooting.

So the faster you stop them the less people are going to die. I think the Israelis have waited too long and been too sensitive to what the millions of useful types say.

Thanks for the Marx bro's line, I think they were People of the Book, not pagan. Great folk, proud to think someone believes I have a fraction of an iota of their sense of humor.

The parents of the Not Funny Marx, Karl, were also People of the Book. Karl of course imagined himself more Lucifer than Worshiper of any sort. ( that could just be college age absinth talking but he kept the conceit through life )
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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 05:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, about that blockade. It became necessary to stop suicide bombers blowing themselves up on buses and in cafes, where innocent children were targeted.

Oh of course. Israel would never be the instigator. Neither militarily, OR politically.....




OH WE'RE GOING BACK ON TOPIC....UKRAINE


Funny thing, but I seem to remember everyone BUT you warning that this would eventually happen.

Rocket's third entry, second day, this topic. Do know your facts if you're attempting to ridicule a fellow contributor eh ; )

The Daily Mail treaty yarn doesn't hold. Ukraine's deposed president, Viktor Yanukovych, invited Russia to protect the ELECTED government.

As for the treaty itself. Nothing more than a smoke screen giving the West a foot hold into Ukraine, as and when that day might come. It's here now peeps, and it won't fool Putin. He is not about to step off the gas anytime soon.

This will be a laugh watching our two dumb Western leaders with egg on their faces back tracking. Unless of course they want to stick around for WW 3. Oh what fun. And we elected these fhukwits?



Rocket in England
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Reindog
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice to see Adolph Putin's restraint.

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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So Rocket, I guess you believed all along that Russia was going to do this, yet keep posting from RT News, et al, all while call other bigots for not believing the crap you post. That seems to sum up everything I need to know right now.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/why-vladimir-putin-referr ing-eastern-ukraine-new-russia-1463130

Bets on when Vladimir reclaims Alaska?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/29/russia-pu tin-conflict-idUKL5N0QZ3HC20140829

Nice. A pleasant little propaganda session with scripted Q & A and a polite and subtle threat to burn the cities of any who oppose him.

Defensively, of course, he's only responding to Obama's fascist Imperialism.

( Obama can't spell fascist, I really doubt he even knows what it means. )
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/386363/call- islamic-state-what-it-evil-jonah-goldberg

There’s a more fundamental question: Is it true? Is the Islamic State evil?

As a matter of objective moral fact, the answer seems obvious. But also under any more subjective version of multiculturalism, pluralism, or moral relativism shy of nihilism, “evil” seems a pretty accurate description for an organization that is not only intolerant toward gays, Christians, atheists, moderate Muslims, Jews, women, et al. but also stones, beheads, and enslaves them.

Who are you saving the word for if “evil” is too harsh for the Islamic State? More to the point, since when is telling the truth evidence you’ve stopped thinking?


Of course the Useful Enlightened don't like the word evil.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/386071/none-d are-call-it-evil-jonah-goldberg

There is only one good reason to denounce a group as evil — because you plan to injure them, and calling them evil makes it psychologically easier to do so. “Evil” is the most powerful word we have to prepare ourselves to kill other people comfortably.

wrong. Evil is when they are comfortable killing you. Have announced to the world that their plan are Your Submission. So they will be taking your daughter as taxes and if you give them grief, they will gang rape her in front of you. Very effective tactic in use today. Now. Today. Evil. duh.

Useful idiots.

But more fundamentally, I find it more than a little appalling to be lectured to about the evils of calling ISIS evil, particularly from a person who specializes in the issue of “human rights.” I understand that in our culture saying that “some people can’t be reasoned with” is seen as closed-minded. But sometimes you can be so open-minded your brain falls out. If the view of the human rights community is that it is simply useless to describe ISIS as evil, than what good is the human rights community?

Maybe I’m the fool here, but it just seems obvious to me that a group that crucifies its theological enemies, buries children alive, forces young girls into sexual slavery, and seeks global dominion isn’t a great candidate for reasonable conversation and compromise. Moreover understanding the “whys” behind their behavior strikes me as a moral dead end.




Let us recall once again the story of British general Charles James Napier. When assigned to British-run India, he was informed that he just didn’t understand Indian customs. He couldn’t ban the practice of wife-burning, he was told, because it was an ancient and valued tradition in India. He said he understood and appreciated that. “This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.”


sometimes you just gotta love the Old British Empire. Not without flaw, but big brass ones.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Back to the Russian conquest of Europe.

For defensive purposes, of course. Once there are no others, no others can attack you. Simple, effective, ruthless.

Here's an editorial, I have some profound disagreements with several of the editors conclusions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/386640/putin s-failures-ukraine-editors
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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 04:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So Rocket, I guess you believed all along that Russia was going to do this

Do what exactly? Tolerate the constant accusations, and the sanctions imposed? Or worse, watch its people killed. Their homes destroyed. Their way of life torn apart. Is this what you refer to when you imply RT News is the only source of information my voice speaks? Dig deeper. I guarantee, you won't need RT. Maybe an optician and a hearing aid.



all while call other bigots for not believing the crap you post. That seems to sum up everything I need to know right now.

You're not paying attention. The bigotry is that afforded to the Palestinians from some here whilst Israel has not once been the subject of any wrongdoing by you usual suspects. It's bigotry when millions the world over protest Israel's disproportionate military response, the result of which HAS killed 500 children, 1500 innocent men and women. Anyone who thinks this killing is justified, as some do here, for any reason, is a bigot. This is not "crap I post". It's how millions feel who have a conscience. Or at the very least, not one blinded by bigotry.


Rocket in England
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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 04:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bets on when Vladimir reclaims Alaska?

Your links hardly make for a good case in favour of what you're trying to pedal.

You don't half talk a lot of shit. And then some.


Rocket in England
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 06:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Putin is reclaiming territory originally Russian, right? ( defensively, of course, because of Obama's Imperialism ) Alaska was once Russian territory, and the US bought it for cash, so if it's "Crimea" yesterday, and "New Russia" today, It's going to be a while before he gets to taking Alaska back.

Obama, of course, will not have a strategy for that.

I have to say the Illuminati stuff Rocket is spouting is funny in a sad way.

It reminds me of those who claimed George W Bush was simultaneously a complete idiot, yet was able to pull off the greatest secret op of all time.... while his administration wasn't able to keep anything from leaking including when GWB asked for a plan to take out Iran. Traitors ( or SUPERPATRIOTS as they styled themselves ) in the CIA leaked this request. You know, to save America from GWB's folly in Foreign Affairs.

And that's the administration that blew up the World trade center with mutant hamster bombs... ( I forget what idiocy they were supposed to have used... pre planted explosives? ) and NO ONE ever came forward to leak it. A-freaking-mazing.

Now Obama who is too incompetent to know that Austrians speak German, ( but is, I admit, a really really good liar and has trashed my country with willing aid from the Useful Press ) and admitted he had no clue what to do, think about, or even say about ISIS. Is Running a multinational con and Imperial assault on Russia that forced Vladimir to begin the conquest of Europe in self defense?

As to Hamas, and how millions think mass murdering thieves who hide behind children while shooting at others, are the victims of the people they shoot at....



“If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 29, 2014 - 06:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do what exactly? Tolerate the constant accusations, and the sanctions imposed? Or worse, watch its people killed. Their homes destroyed. Their way of life torn apart. Is this what you refer to when you imply RT News is the only source of information my voice speaks? Dig deeper. I guarantee, you won't need RT. Maybe an optician and a hearing aid.

Clearly you feign ignorance about Russia moving it's military in Ukraine as shown in the satellite photos. Or is that a Polaroid pic of some legos? Sadly, you don't seem to know what RT News, et al, means.
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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 05:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Putin is reclaiming territory originally Russian, right?

Is he? You sure about that?

Alaska you say?


You enjoy giving history lessons, so here's one for you...

A mere four kilometers separate Russia's Big Diomede Island from Alaska's Little Diomede Island in the Bering Strait.
This boundary between two feuding powers — known as the "Ice Curtain" during the Cold War — is likely the only place from which former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin could really see Russia.

But after Russia's annexation of Crimea, which the Kremlin said corrected a "historical mistake," some in Russia would like to see the divide with Alaska eliminated by having Russia stake a new claim on the territory, which Tsar Alexander II sold to the U.S. for $7.2 million in 1867.

Amid growing anti-Americanism in Russia following the imposition of U.S. sanctions, Russian officials and pro-Kremlin journalists and bloggers have fueled talk — generally facetious — of an ambition to retake Alaska.

In an appearance on a BBC talk show last month, Vladimir Chizhov, Russia's permanent representative to the European Union, made perhaps the most direct hint at this goal of any official, suggesting that U.S. Senator John McCain should "watch over Alaska."

Comic takes on Alaska's Russian past have also emerged on Russian social media. Humor websites published a photoshopped picture of penguins from the pro-Kremlin United Russia party holding signs saying, "Crimea is ours," "Alaska is next!" and "Only Putin!" The picture conveniently ignores the fact that there are not actually any penguins in Alaska.

Other ostensive advocates of Alaska's return to Russia seem more serious in their declarations than the fictitious penguins, but they too are often joking.

A petition for the "secession of Alaska from the U.S. and joining Russia" appeared on the "We the People" section of the White House's website on March 21 and had garnered more than 35,000 signatures as of Monday evening. The petition has collected signatures from numerous U.S. states, including California, Florida, Michigan, New York and Texas. To receive White House attention, the appeal must collect 100,000 signatures by April 20.

The petition, which seems to have been written using an automated translation tool, was uploaded by an organization called Government Communication G2C, a pro-Kremlin "communications platform."

"The objective of the petition is not to bring Alaska back to Russia," said Alexander Zhukov, an assistant to the organization's director, in a telephone interview. "We understand that this is not plausible. Our goal is to show the White House that its petition system is a flawed democratic tool that allows anybody to ask for anything."

"We are trying to protect the citizens of the U.S. by drawing attention to a tool that is said to be democratic but could be used by terrorists or other people with evil objectives," Zhukov said.

He also said that the petition's poor grammar was intentional and was meant to show the White House that "any fool" could use its system.

Genuine Regret
But the mock petition conceals a tacit reality: Russia carries a perpetually bruised ego in world affairs and bears genuine regret at having sold a vast, mineral-rich territory to the country that would become its nemesis in the 20th century.

Russia first claimed the land after Peter the Great dispatched Vitus Bering, an explorer and officer in the Russian Navy, to explore the Alaskan coast in 1725. But more than a century later, after the country's defeat in the Crimean War in 1856, Imperial Russia began to lose interest in its remote North American settlements.

Russia offered to sell Alaska to the U.S. in 1859, hoping that U.S. presence in the region would counterbalance Britain's influence, Russia's main rival in the Pacific at the time.

The American Civil War delayed the deal until March 1867, when U.S. Secretary of State William Seward and Russian diplomat Eduard de Stoeckl negotiated the transfer of Alaska from Russia to the U.S. for $7.2 million, a price of $4.19 per square kilometer. After the U.S. Senate's and President Andrew Johnson's approval, Alaska officially became U.S. territory on October 18, 1867. Alaska became the U.S.' 49th state in 1959.

In the U.S., the purchase of Alaska initially was ridiculed and disparagingly referred to as "Seward's Folly" and the territory as "President Johnson's Polar Bear Garden." But doubts about the purchase were soon dispelled when large gold deposits were discovered in the Yukon in 1896, making Alaska a gateway to the Klondike Gold Rush.

In modern-day Alaska, Russia's recent annexation of Crimea is being viewed through the lens of U.S. foreign policy and has not been perceived as a local issue, according to Jane Haigh, assistant professor of history at Kenai Peninsula College of the University of Alaska Anchorage.

"The annexation of Crimea has not been perceived as a potential threat to Alaska — it has not been thought of in those terms," Haigh said in a telephone interview. "Many people here are not actively aware that their state used to be Russian territory. This history is taught, of course, but awareness of the Russian past is rather low and most often localized in areas where there are Russian Orthodox churches or monasteries."

Alaska is home to more than 30 Russian Orthodox churches, six of which are U.S. National Historical Landmarks. These remnants of the state's Russian history may offer Russia, or at least Russia's most popular faith, the best chance of reclaiming portions of Alaskan territory.

Researchers led by Aysen Nikolayev, the mayor of Yakutsk, a far northern city of 270,000, have found archival evidence that suggests Alaska's Spruce Island still belongs to the Russian Orthodox Church.

Nikolayev has petitioned President Vladimir Putin, both chambers of the Russian parliament and the Foreign Ministry for the return of the largely uninhabited Spruce Island to the Russian Orthodox Church.

"I have been working on this since 2008," Nikolayev said in a telephone interview. "We found in the archives that Spruce Island belongs to the Russian Orthodox Church and that its ownership of the land was immune to any sale and territorial transfer. The island was the home of famous Russian holy people such as Saint Herman of Alaska."

Nikolayev insisted that Russia's relinquishment of Alaska was a "mistake," but said that it could not be recanted because both parties had officially agreed to the sale. But, he said, this should not prevent the Russian Orthodox Church from retrieving its lost territory.

"I have not proposed that Spruce Island be returned to the Russian Federation," he said. "I have only proposed that it be returned to the Russian Orthodox Church, which is active in many countries. Very few people live on Spruce Island. And if the Russian Orthodox Church were to retrieve its land, I highly doubt that anyone would be evicted."

Dan Clarion, the mayor of Ouzinkie, Spruce Island's only town, had never heard that the 46-square-kilometer island in the Kodiak Archipelago supposedly still belonged to the Russian Orthodox Church.

"There is a Russian Orthodox monastery on the other side of the island, but I have never heard claims that the whole island belongs to the Church," said Clarion, who oversees a town of 185 people, in a telephone interview.

Nikolayev's efforts to retrieve the Russian Orthodox Church's land could be hampered by legal and technical obstacles, according to Clarion — including an existing claim by another interested group.

"Personally, I would not be especially bothered if the Russian Orthodox Church made a claim to the land," he said. "I have lived on Spruce Island since I was about 12 and we have always had good relations with the Russian Orthodox Church. But I think that a territorial claim of this kind would cause more problems within the Ouzinkie Native Corporation, which was given land on Spruce Island as part of the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act."

Alaska's official policy regarding Russian claims on the state remains unclear — the offices of the current Alaska Governor Sean Parnell and former Governor Palin did not respond to requests for comment in time for publication.



Doesn't look to me like Putin's your man for 'invasion' or land grabs, but I'm sure you'll know otherwise.


Rocket in England
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Fb1
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 07:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cross-posted from another thread, related to much of the discussion on this thread:


quote:

British Prime Minister David Cameron Confronts Authentic Islam
Posted on August 30, 2014 by sundance

Last night British Prime Minister David Cameron delivered a stark and bold message to the people of Great Britain. ISIS represents a political ideology born in the space of non-governance, and fueled amid a raging ideology, that must be confronted and destroyed.



http://youtu.be/awoo_-c9ATA

Source: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/30/bri tish-prime-minister-david-cameron-confronts-authen tic-islam/
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rocket, your "history lesson" went into fiction in the second sentence. I didn't bother reading further.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 09:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know why everybody keeps entertaining him.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That was a cut and paste.....

And ironically gave credence to my joke about Alaska.

Just as Russian officials have this summer threatened the world with nuclear attack some are calling for Reconquest. ( that second sentence that annoyed Sifo )

Btw Alaska is the home of the only land based ABM base. Makes sense to take Alaska. ....if for no other reason than to keep Sarah Palin from running.

I assure you Russia and the Jihadists much prefer to deal with the ignorant and weak ( even though rage filled and willing to order other's deaths ) Barack than Sarah.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just as Russian officials have this summer threatened the world with nuclear attack some are calling for Reconquest. ( that second sentence that annoyed Sifo )

I had to go back to see what you were referring to. You seem to be referring to the second paragraph. I literally stopped at the second sentence where they talked about Sarah Palin being able to see Russia. That came from a SNL skit, not reality. Perhaps the author put it in there trying to be humorous, perhaps the author doesn't know. If it's the former, it's not aimed at me (not that I'm a huge Palin fan). If it's the latter, the author doesn't know enough to write anything worthwhile about history.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok, missed that. Thank you.

Yep, it was an SNL skit.

BTW Obama NEVER said there were 57 states.

He was quite clear there are 60. And he was joking. watch the clip.

Am I correct that Cameron actually spoke the truth? Damn. He rocks.
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Sifo
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BTW Obama NEVER said there were 57 states.

He was quite clear there are 60. And he was joking. watch the clip.


I used to say that he shouldn't quit his day job. He's a terrible comedian. Now I'm pretty sure he's a better comedian than leader. Did I mention that he's a terrible comedian?
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Ourdee
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 01:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

History goes down smoother with music.....

The 7.2 million dollar deal is at 3:12.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now I'm pretty sure he's a better comedian than leader. Did I mention that he's a terrible comedian?

well said. We all want him to quit his day job.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 30, 2014 - 04:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ran into this article today.

Labels reveal, or conceal, the contents.

The farces trying to drag Ukraine kicking and screaming into the NATO Imperialist running dog lackey camp are "Oligarchs".

( according to RT new & Vladimir )

"Oligarch" is not a term American are familiar with. It means someone like Vladimir's buddies who worked at the KGB and when the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of bad math and Ronald Reagan's threat to make their ICBM & Anti Aircraft systems obsolete, Stole the "collectivist" wealth of Russia.

Let me make this clearer.. When the Russian Empire collapsed, the industries, owned by the State, were given to the buddies of the guys in charge. So Fred get's the Oil business, Joe got the Trains, Pete got the Hotels. Just exactly like the Mob divides up it's stolen property. Not one of these folk earned this wealth, they just got it because they were the most evil people around and had no problem murdering anyone who objected, or threatened to write stories about them. And they did so, a lot.

That is what an Oligarch is. Vlad's buddies, mobsters, Russian Mafia, ex KGB.

We don't actually have anything like that here, unless you really want to pick on Bill Gates.

But In RUSSIA they KNOW what an Oligarch is, and they don't Dare complain about the ones running their country. They sure don't want to be ruled by other Oligarchs, the ones they have are bad enough.

That's why Putin blames the Oligarchs.

Now Ukraine? They got Oligarchs. Don't forget, they had been conquered by Russia, Run by Russia, and when Russia crashed, the same kind of Mafia/KGB ruthless types stole what they could.

You have to pay attention to the language used on TV.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB102581496344 2071960
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Last night British Prime Minister David Cameron delivered a stark and bold message to the people of Great Britain. ISIS represents a political ideology born in the space of non-governance, and fueled amid a raging ideology, that must be confronted and destroyed.


ALSO pointed out NO IMMINENT RISK WHATSOEVER (I should add, yet, to appease the gullible) from these he seeks to curtail of their Human rights and freedoms.

Britain’s terror level threat has been officially raised from “substantial” to “severe”, Home Secretary Theresa May confirmed earlier.

May stipulates UK intelligence have not gleaned information pertaining to an imminent attack, but the upgraded alert level indicates a prospective attack is “highly likely”.



As it goes, it's an offense for a British citizen to leave the UK to join a group of people the British government dislike.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/20/bri ton-convicted-terror-offence-syria-jihadist-traini ng-camp

The prosecutor Alison Morgan told the jury they did not have to make a decision about the rights and wrongs of what was going on in Syria in order to convict Choudhury. "The prosecution's case against this defendant is that he was travelling to Syria to train to fight in pursuit of an ideological or religious cause. You are not being asked to determine who is right and who is at fault in Syria."

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He told his wife: "What good is a husband, father, brother that sits in comfort, sleeps in comfort, eats in comfort but neglects the cause of women being raped, children being attacked, mothers being decapitated, and daughters being murdered?"

Choudhury flew out with the other four men from Portsmouth on 8 October last year. The crown admits it will never know exactly what he did while he was in Syria, but it relied on his social media and Skype exchanges to argue that he intended to join a terror training camp.


It's a vote grab is all.


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And ironically gave credence to my joke about Alaska.

You joking? Bollocks. You believe Putin is out for all he can get. You've said so. This forming part of your long running long winded argument against him and Russia. Where's the joke?


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