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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tom, you are really good at seeing what you want to see when nothing is there to see. That's why I got you the mat.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All I see from you is hate speech, despite asking for intellectual discussion. What am I missing?
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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hate speech? You have a really loose definition of hate speech. If what I'm putting up is hate speech than all of those posts you make about the President are major league hate speech, and you have made a lot of them. Along with all of those cartoons you post. Hell, are you certain you don't belong to some hate group? Could of fooled me if you don't. Honestly, do you even know what hate speech is?

Really, it's funny how you call it hate speech and yet in the same breath go on about the Constitution and freedom of speech and all of that jazz. I know what you are, H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.T.E.

You don't want an intellectual discussion. You never have. Hence why I don't bother wasting my time with you. I do get to have some fun though.

(Message edited by cataract2 on August 08, 2014)
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Opposing an intellectual idea is not hate speech. Even opposing a religious belief isn't hate speech. Attacking religious beliefs the way you are however falls into that category. I get to have training on the subject at least once a year as part of my job.

If you must insist that my opposition to BO's agenda is hate speech though, then you would certainly have to admit that what you have done in this thread certainly is hate speech. Well, I suppose you wouldn't admit it.
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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think you need to pay better attention during those training sessions verses playing on your phone posting on badweb. You missed some important information during it.

As for what I've done, the most I've done is poke fun. You seem to be the one who's got his panties in a wad over it and then started saying it's hate speech. lol. Ah, the badweb circle jerk of hypocrisy. It never fails to entertain.

(Message edited by cataract2 on August 08, 2014)
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Really, it's funny how you call it hate speech and yet in the same breath go on about the Constitution and freedom of speech and all of that jazz. I know what you are, H.Y.P.O.C.R.I.T.E.

Really? Have I called for banning your hate speech? That comes from the progressives, not me. IMO, you are within your rights to use such speech. Of course that may change as we get more "progress".

The funny thing here is that your belief that there is no God is based on no more than my belief that there is a God. Yet you claim to have some kind of moral superiority on this. It's nothing but your belief!
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As for what I've done, the most I've done is poke fun.

The very definition of bullying.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cataract- I'm with Sifo on this one. WTF are you trying to start a fight? Go ride your Buell or have a beer and chill.
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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The funny thing here is that your belief that there is no God is based on no more than my belief that there is a God. Yet you claim to have some kind of moral superiority on this. It's nothing but your belief!

Keep jumping, you might just get in shape.

I'm with Sifo on this one. WTF are you trying to start a fight? Go ride your Buell or have a beer and chill.

Because he's just so cute when he gets all emotional.
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Fredfast
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"In my experience, atheists are clearly really pissed off with God about something and express it by denying their belief in Him."

That's really stupid.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's really stupid.

Oh, I agree, but it's true.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 05:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Keep jumping, you might just get in shape.

Well please share this negative proof on the existence of God.

Funny thing is, I can present evidence that there is a God, but it's virtually impossible to do the opposite. By definition, your belief is a larger leap of faith than mine. I simply equated them for the sake of argument.
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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Eventually you might catch on that I was not speaking about the existence or non-existence of God, but I'm thinking your head is to thick for that.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Eventually you might catch on that I was not speaking about the existence or non-existence of God, but I'm thinking your head is to thick for that.

Well clearly the existence of God is on one side of the discussion. You chose to use a symbol that is representative of atheists to create the contrast on which to set the discussion. Interesting that you claim this isn't about the existence or non-existence of God.
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Fredfast
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 06:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

" I can present evidence that there is a God, but it's virtually impossible to do the opposite."

You go first. This ought to be good.
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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 07:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You go first. This ought to be good.

I was thinking of asking him to do that. I agree, this ought to be very good.

Food for thought about your claim that Christians are persecuted so much.

http://tinyurl.com/akvssv9

http://tinyurl.com/qbq3ryc
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Food for thought about your claim that Christians are persecuted so much.

Providing proof that Islamists discriminate against atheists is hardly proof of anything beyond their extremist nature. You may notice that they discriminate against Christians and Jews at least as much. Meanwhile in the free world, the discrimination tends to be pretty much against Christians and Jews, largely perpetrated by the atheists.

I was thinking of asking him to do that. I agree, this ought to be very good.

Well lets start with written accounts of the rising of Christ. That is certainly evidence of there being a God.

Your turn.

EDIT: BTW, You just walked into a suckers argument. If you understood scientific principles you would know why.

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Cataract2
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well lets start with written accounts of the rising of Christ. That is certainly evidence of there being a God.

That's what you have? Hahahahahahahaha I'm not even wasting my time with you on this. You are right though, it is a suckers argument. I have the Bible, this is my proof. Give me a break. Come back with real evidence and we'll talk.

BTW, how in the free world are Christians and Jews being attacked? I keep seeing you write about it, but never seem to see any proof of that happening? Are they being beheaded?

About the only thing I'm seeing is the removal of laws referring to God from government. Which I have no issue with as I feel the US government should be secular.

(Message edited by cataract2 on August 08, 2014)
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's what you have? Hahahahahahahaha I'm not even wasting my time with you on this. You are right though, it is a suckers argument. I have the Bible, this is my proof. Give me a break. Come back with real evidence and we'll talk.

Far from all I have, but it's your turn. You asked to play this game. Take your turn.
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Will you really be a better person by being atheist? Are you sure by being atheist you will have accomplished more in life vs being any type of religious person? Most religions teach life skills, that's what most people need. What does atheism teach?
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Atheists are right up there with Islamists with their charities and hospitals.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 12:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Blessed are those who endure persecution for the sake of justice, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when they have slandered you, and persecuted you, and spoken all kinds of evil against you, falsely, for my sake: be glad and exult, for your reward in heaven is plentiful. For so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. (Matthew 5:10-12 CPDV)

But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who harass you. Therefore, just as your heavenly Father is complete in showing love to everyone, so also you must be complete. (Matthew 5:44, 48 CEB)




God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodly behavior and the injustice of human beings who silence the truth with injustice. This is because what is known about God should be plain to them because God made it plain to them.

Ever since the creation of the world, God’s invisible qualities—God’s eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, because they are understood through the things God has made. So humans are without excuse.

Although they knew God, they didn’t honor God as God or thank him. Instead, their reasoning became pointless, and their foolish hearts were darkened. While they were claiming to be wise, they made fools of themselves.

They exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images that look like mortal humans: birds, animals, and reptiles. So God abandoned them to their hearts’ desires, which led to the moral corruption of degrading their own bodies with each other.

They traded God’s truth for a lie, and they worshipped and served the creation instead of the creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. That’s why God abandoned them to degrading lust.

Their females traded natural sexual relations for unnatural sexual relations. Also, in the same way, the males traded natural sexual relations with females, and burned with lust for each other. Males performed shameful actions with males, and they were paid back with the penalty they deserved for their mistake in their own bodies.

Since they didn’t think it was worthwhile to acknowledge God, God abandoned them to a defective mind to do inappropriate things. So they were filled with all injustice, wicked behavior, greed, and evil behavior.

They are full of jealousy, murder, fighting, deception, and malice. They are gossips, they slander people, and they hate God. They are rude and proud, and they brag. They invent ways to be evil, and they are disobedient to their parents.

They are without understanding, disloyal, without affection, and without mercy. Though they know God’s decision that those who persist in such practices deserve death, they not only keep doing these things but also approve others who practice them. (Romans 1:18-32 CEB)




(Message edited by Blake on August 09, 2014)
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am pretty sure the Pastafarians know their "faith" is a joke. Not hate speech. If I've offended any FSM fans....... pick from the spread between "sorry" while chuckling and riotous laughter.

The trolls OTOH you might consider hateful...... but I prefer more scientific terms.

Cataract did post a pic I myself find offensive but see no reason to call him out for his ignorance at this time.

In any case Rocket is correct in that discussions of the persecutions by ISIS in the region isn't germane to this thread.

THAT deserves it's own thread as the O regime and Congress stand by and again, abandon a nation we pledged to support to the forces of darkness for domestic political greed. I am past furious.


Rocket's 180 deg wrong that the Ukraine invasion has nothing to do with his "usefulness" . Just like Durante at the NYC Times he defends the enemy of freedom.

As previously stated. .... I don't trust the E.u. or the O regime.

Unfortunately Rocket's usefulness is not unbiased or historically accurate information.

I do thank him for his input. It is Important to know the lies told the world.......and as I said about Bill Clinton "he can't lie ALL the time......or he'd never get what he wanted for dinner."

So keep an eye out for occasional facts among the propaganda.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 02:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rocket..... somewhere I saw the rebuttal to the "coexist" bumper sticker..... if I find it I'll post a link.

The concept of toleration and acceptance of other's faiths IS a good and honorable stand. One I agree with.

I'm less impressed by the reality as advertised.

I do have the "science" rocket/fish sticker. I display it next to the model airplanes in the man cave. I also display posters of cars planes and She Hulk. It is not hate speech but ironic commentary. ( it's next to the zeppelin model over a hand made Viking chair...... if I find a nice steam punk item it'll go up too )
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/07/ant isemitism-rise-europe-worst-since-nazis
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384722/world -war-i-continues-haunt-us-jonah-goldberg

If you don't learn from history....... people who do will own you. Or your stuff when they kill you.

So if Putin frees Liverpool from the oppression of the EU bureaucracy against the Russian speaking immigrants, I told you so.

OTOH, according to Rocket, that may be an improvement, and he could be right. The New Soviet Empire may run things better than Hugh Grant. ( or whoever the guy at 10 Downing St. is, I forget. )

Heck, I'm pretty sure that Vladimir would be a better President of the US than Obama, if Vladimir was from here, and had the world's best interests in mind. ( he's not, and I doubt he has )

OTOH the above qualifications ( which The O lacks ) mean that a good McDonalds franchise owner would be a better President than The O. Heck, the guy who runs the quik-e-mart down the street was born in Iraq, and HE'D be a better President than Obama. At least he understands the American Dream.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/cossacks- being-polite-to-power-immigration-dilemma/
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Rocket_in_uk
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 03:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rocket,
YOU brought up the subject of murderous Israel.


No, I responded to this claptrap actually.

Your apparent willingness to believe the propaganda of such charming folk as Hamas, who use children as human shields, attack civilian targets by preference, and mask a culture of unrelenting hate with "humanitarian" concern does not speak well for your judgment.


YOU just disparaged Judaism three posts north of this one. That will not stand, buddy.

Did I? Oh well, I think it will given the outcry of millions protesting at the murder of children.



I get it that you love Putin. I get it that you despise Israel. I get it that you disparage the United States. I get it.

Clearly you DON'T get IT if you're prepared to simplify my entire contribution to this topic with such stupidity.


Rocket in England
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Reindog
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"the outcry of millions OF PREJUDICED DIMWITS protesting the murder of children".. indeed.

Scotland launches 1000 rockets from schools and civilian populations into Yorkshire . How would Rocket respond to the rockets? Hmmmmm... I thought so. Hamas is nothing but barbaric terrorists who could care less about their own people as long as they can push forward the genocide of another people.

Its been tried once before and apparently Europeans are still full of hatred. It ain't going to happen again.

Wake up and stand together with Israel.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 04:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

my dad and I were discussing the atheists and the unrepentant sinners in and out of the Church. The fate of the church leaders that abuse the church and its members involves something worse than deep water and a mill stone.

He answered my position this way " don't worry there is plenty of room in hell"

Cataract and Rocket why do you hate?
Cataract your hatred of Christians seems to be a recent change. What turned you to hate ?

Rocket you have admitted the reason your so cranky you Hate America If you hate us so much why do you hang out here? We don't hate you! Your posts usually have a differing perspective which are usually very interesting. Our media is pretty much useless and stupid for the most part. I read UK media and Some German media. Some is very good others make the National Equirer look like Pulitzer winners.
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