| Author | Message | ||
     Cataract2 |
http://tinyurl.com/l893ytr | ||
| Strokizator |
I confess that I'm not up to speed on this topic. Maybe you could explain why you are for it. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Some duchebag makes me pay registrations and insurances and follow laws to drive my car and pay money to cross bridges and travel on certain highways to get to certain places ... why not the internet too? | ||
| Cataract2 |
I confess that I'm not up to speed on this topic. Maybe you could explain why you are for it. Read the link. Though, if you like to have your net throttled like X seems to well. I don't know what to tell you. In the end they should be classified as common carriers as we all are paying for access. We're already falling behind the rest of the world in the type of service we get right now anyways. A good example right now for why we need it is what is happening between Netflix and some net companies. You are paying for say an 50Mb pipe yet your stream is bad. You have enough bandwidth, but that company is throttle, or purposely slowing down, the Netflix stream in effect to get money out of Netflix to pay them not to do that. http://tinyurl.com/m7wbc4k http://tinyurl.com/lmbyzav Course, if you want this, have at it.  | ||
| Ducbsa |
This is another issue with many opportunities for propaganda and misleading statements. There are other opinions: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/08 /Thanks-for-the-Trillion-Dollar-Investment-We-ll-T ake-it-Over-from-Here-Sincerely-the-Government http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/01/27/no-1930s-regu lations-for-the-internet-lets-modernize-instead/ http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/06/0292 43.php My personal guideline is if the government (especially the current Regime) wants to regulate something, than I am very suspicious of it. | ||
| Cataract2 |
Should an ISP block content, existing law would have the FTC and Justice raining down upon it. Oh, that's rich. Explain this then. http://tinyurl.com/m7wbc4k http://tinyurl.com/lmbyzav http://tinyurl.com/pk8cshu You know what protects us from private companies? The freedom to choose. If Comcast is blocking you, you can fire them and hire Time Warner. Or Cox. Or Verizon. Or AT&T. Or Sprint. Or T-Mobile. Which is why Comcast won’t block you. Riiiiight. You know what's available in my area for internet. WOW. That's it. No one else. Yeah, I have choices. I'll just go about choosing them. Give me a break. This is becoming common place in many areas. It's well past the time for Net Neutrailty. That or for them to be designated as a utility and regulated as such. It's not like they're working hard to offer us gigabit net. Only one I see doing that is Google http://tinyurl.com/cjvr323 Or you have your local government offering it. (Wait, the local government is doing that? Oh man, that's, that's.....) I know, it's hard to believe they offer something better than the local cable/dsl companies refuse and make excuses for why they won't offer it. http://tinyurl.com/5td7vyb You know what's funny. I pay $45 a month for a 15Mb pipe. (Remember, if I want high speed I have 1 choice.) If I had the service in the link above I could pay $70 for a 1Gb pipe. Sure seems like a good deal, and what do you know. It isn't the company offering it. The best they offer is a 50Mb pipe at. They are still lacking 950Mb. | ||
| Reepicheep |
My opinion is that there isn't any easy answer, but at the end of the day I think Net Neutrality is the better one, at least until most people actually have more than one economical choice for bandwidth providers. Today, most don't. The rub is that streaming video takes up 1000 times more bandwidth than email and maybe 100 times more bandwidth than general (non video) web surfing. If you read the fine print, when you buy a 15MB/S connection, it is talking about burst rates, it is not a promise to do that 24x7x365. Of course, since they didn't advertise it that way, I have little sympathy for them. And because the cable companies have been such predatory monopolistic jerks for so long, I vote they be the first ones lined up against the wall now that the revolution is here. This really is the free market at work. The cable companies have worked hard to make sure that we have to buy a bunch of crap before we can get the 6 channels we want. As a result, things like Netflix, Amazon Prime, and YouTube now exist. This is a last ditch move by the cable companies to try and put themselves between consumers and extract money from us... if they are successful here it will buy them another decade or so, but it will also create a huge "bandwidth only net neutral" national service, which will drive them out of business completely. | ||
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| Sifo |
Riiiiight. You know what's available in my area for internet. WOW. That's it. No one else. Yeah, I have choices. I'll just go about choosing them. Give me a break. This is becoming common place in many areas. Of course the reason this becomes commonplace is because of agreements made by your local government. Is there no government created problem that government can't promise to fix with more regulations? | ||
| Cataract2 |
Of course the reason this becomes commonplace is because of agreements made by your local government. Is there no government created problem that government can't promise to fix with more regulations? Everything is the gov with you. My lack of choices has nothing to do with gov and everything to do with the development that I am living in. The COMPANY, ie: developer, who built the area made an agreement with WOW for cable service. Locking them in. Has nothing to do with gov. Add that to multiple areas in the country and what do you know. A monopoly. But then, that is how the free market should work, right? | ||
| Sifo |
How can the developer lock in a single company? That's normally what is done by the local government. That's certainly the case in virtually all the communities around here. I'm pretty sure you've got that one wrong. | ||
| Pwnzor |
I'm stuck with Charter where I live. I can't even get DSL unless I pay for a phone line with Charter, and that comes in via cable modem. So... I'm stuck. The service is ok most of the time, and the throttling of services like Netflix or Amazon Prime or MotoGP VideoPass doesn't seem to be affecting me. Yet. Honestly, I get where this bothers a lot of people, but I couldn't be more indifferent. All this electronic crap could go away tomorrow for all I care. | ||
| Cataract2 |
I certainly do not have that wrong. The developer worked an agreement. They install the cable and they get full access and sole access. ie: no competition. You should be happy. Free market right there, right? It's all fair.... | ||
| Sifo |
The put in the cable, but the law says that they don't get exclusive use of that cable. Any idea how much cable AT&T laid that WOW uses? It would probably stretch around the world multiple times. The exclusive contracts come as a result of contracts with the village/township/city. The developer has no governance over any of this beyond contracting with someone to lay the cable initially. That's assuming the village/township/city doesn't already have a contract with a company to service the community. You do have the option of satellite. Yes, it's expensive. |
