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Lynrd
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gad damn marketing departments!

"It charges in 3.5 hours at 220 volts".

Now *I* have 220v circuits in my garage - because I had 'em put in, but that is not exactly common in the US, and of course, at the more standard US 115v, that charging rate would need be at least 30% higher.

It looks nifty but those specs will not sell large numbers of them. Jay Leno will buy one, though.
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Strokizator
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In an attached garage, 220V is fairly common for use for an electric clothes dryer. If not, it is also common for the electrical service meter to be on the garage wall and adding the circuit is a simple do-it-yourself affair.

A 3.5 hour charge time seems excessive though. I can charge my Fiat 500e from close to empty to fully charged usually in less time than that and get a 95 mile range when I'm done. BTW, a charge on 115V is 4 times longer (up to 14 hours) vs. 220V, not 30%.

Just as an electric car is impractical as an only car, an electric bike will be something you get in addition to, not instead of, your other bikes.

The future should be interesting.
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Lynrd
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 01:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I will differ to your experience regarding charge rate. My detached garage got some serious electical upgrades becuase i was running some really serious computer hardware in there until recently, and datacenter wisdom is that you save 30% on your overall power bill by going to higher voltage power.

My house is built in 1938' so the upgrade actually meant a new service entrance for the house. Now i have 2x30A 220v service out there., redundant circuits, approved by the department of redundancy department. Sadly both circuits are from the same grid, so not perfect, but the best damned garage power i have ever had.

Then i managed to move the servers and SAN to another location so someone else can pay the power bills :-)

Although i am big on DIY...a licensed, union electrician did my work.
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Strokizator
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry, I thought by "charge rate" you meant the amount of time it takes to reach full charge. I've no idea if it's cheaper to use 240V vs 120V. That's an interesting proposition but since you are billed for kilowatt/hrs I don't see what difference it would make.

For the car, the 120V charger is limited to 15 amps while the 240V circuit has a 40 amp breaker. It pumps in so much electricity at 240V that an internal cooling fan kicks in.
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 06:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey, wouldn't it be perfect for a weekend warrior??? Charge it up all week.... ride on the weekends.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...and plug it in at every bar on the poker run...
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I jest.

Sorta.

But...I see - IF it goes into production - a VRSC-esque fiasco. Nobody will know how to sell it. Nobody will know how to place it. Market it. Promote it. Accessorize it. Embrace it. And unless we hit another OPEC crisis...I don't see demand outpacing supply anytime soon, especially with the sorts of efficiency numbers current dead-dinosaur bikes like the EBR 1190's are turning in.
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Gregtonn
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 06:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...and plug it in at every bar on the poker run...

I was going to go there but I figured it probably goes farther between stops than those HD "peanut" tanks.

G
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Fast1075
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 06:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In case some are not familiar, all houses have "220". The incoming power in a single phase system has two power legs, a neutral and a ground. Either leg to neutral is "110".

Actually "220" is quite rare if there are still any places that have it any more. Depending on the system, it will be "208" or "240" plus or minus depending on the system, and the "110" is closer to "120".

Easy to run a power supply if (a) the panel will support additional load, and (b) the panel is in the garage and is surface mount. Flush mount is a bit harder, but rare in a garage. Pliers, screwdriver, wire stripper, basic volt meter, breaker, appropriately sized box, device and cover. Takes an hour tops if you are doing it for the first time.

A friend owns a golf cart business. He builds and sells blinged out carts (a hot item with well heeled retirees). I, on occasion do the charger hookups for him on the weekends if I have time. Easy, profitable.

(Message edited by fast1075 on June 21, 2014)
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Elsinore74
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 08:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why would H-D mount the motor longitudinally?

Do any other electric bike manufacturers do this?
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 09:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

for 7,999.00 I would take it, but nothing over 8k.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

53 miles. That means I can barely get to work and back.

If there is traffic I am stranded.

Why even announce something so pathetic?
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think it needs a subwoofer for the low end frequencies.... dual channel sonics, (not stereo) one-low; one high; patent#xxxx
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Torquehd
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd assume, mounting the motor longitudinally gave them a theoretically lower center of gravity. Which is not as important in HD world as the necessity of the bevel gear, which apparently is what creates the whine. you know, they can't have their bike sound like every other ebike out there.

53 miles means I can not get to work and back on one charge. I wouldn't want to ride a bike without a fairing 34 highway miles each way, either.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

>>> Actually "220" is quite rare if there are still any places that have it any more. Depending on the system, it will be "208" or "240" plus or minus depending on the system, and the "110" is closer to "120".

I think some get confused by the residential voltage designation; as it depends upon where it is referenced, at the pole/transformer, braker box, or outlet. Virtually all residential power in America is single phase 240/230/220 V and 120/115/110 V, all +/- 10%, but those are the nominal designations.

The first number is voltage at the pole (transformer), the second is at your distribution panel (breaker box), and the third is at the outlet.

208 V is three phase industrial/commercial power.

(Message edited by Blake on June 21, 2014)
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

More info for those interested...

http://www.ccontrolsys.com/w/Electrical_Service_Ty pes_and_Voltages
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