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     Aesquire |
Btw the threat to the remaining jews in the region is probably quite real. Discounting such threats as nonsense gets people dead. WHO is threatening them I'm not sure. Could be the evil Ukrainian. Nazis. Could be the evil Russians. Could be propaganda from NATO or Russia. Nazis are a perfect propaganda ploy for Russia. They also really exist. Neither the nazis or the Russians have a track record ( pre Soviet. ..Soviet. ...post Soviet ) on the subject of persecution that leads me to trust them. ....... | ||
| Blake |
Lord Chamberlain would be so proud. His legacy lives. | ||
| Reindog |
RIE, You are one seriously trusting dude. I wouldn't trust the KGB fed and bred Putin as far as I could throw him.  | ||
| Macbuell |
Rocket summed up in two sentences ... Everything Putin says is fact. Everything anyone else says is lies and propaganda. You can't argue with that logic. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I will explain once again. Goldberg said Putin admitted to having military operatives inside Ukraine whom were not identifiable (military insignia). I pointed out, Putin recently mentioned similar in his 3 hour long Q&A's, denying any and all such claims. It seemed odd to me that someone with "a good reputation as a reporter" as described here, would make such a statement only days after Putin told the world on TV the exact opposite. I asked where the proof exists to support Goldberg's claim. Given there is a shit load of stuff out 'there' such a comment one would imagine, Goldberg's source would be viral by now. Why? It has significance to developments which occurred this weekend which threatens to scupper a four way agreement toward stability reached last week between Russia, Ukraine, EU and UK. There is no Goldberg source. It's a blatant lie. A propagandic article at best. The source of said article clearly does not exist. Whether Putin is lying, denying no military undercover operatives in Ukraine, is not the point. Fact is he said it. The same cannot be said of Goldberg's claim. This is the point. Sorted. Do carry on with your silly insults. They do nothing but convince me how ill informed and misguided some of you must be. Lucky I am open minded enough to know this can't be true for all. Pity I am not shown by some the same open mindedness, allowing debate in this topic. Comrade Rocket  | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I think Rocket has a man crush | ||
| Aesquire |
Because you didn't see it it does not exist. Quantum mechanics of truth. I haven't seen it either. That does not mean it's not true. Does mean it's not proven, and that it may be false. Hillary Clinton denied many things that were absolutely true. She want's to be Queen in a few years, next year would be fine. This year if she can. Is Putin beyond any suspicion of lying to you? Do you have absolute faith that he doesn't lie? ? Note I consider this source to be suspect. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/04/putin -says-no-russian-troops-east-ukraine-2014417132436 806530.html The leaders of this news org. are left of Stalin. IMHO. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/putin-admits-u nmarked-soldiers-ukraine-russian-optimistic-geneva -talks/ Seattle? Leftist hotbed. Barack Obama's mother went to the first openly Commie school in this part of America. http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/202339343 3_apxrussiaputin.html Still looking for the video. Is that posted above part of the 4 hours? More news of Putin saying he wants a peaceful resolution, and that hasn't sent spec ops into Eastern Ukraine to cause trouble. http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2014/04/ 17/putin-hopes-no-need-to-send-troops-into-Ukraine http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/puti n-russian-forces-eastern-ukraine-23357500 You got a link to the whole 4 hours? Looks to me that Goldberg is not a filthy liar, but has repeated what is on multiple news programs. Hmm. Who here has NOT repeated what they heard on the news? I don't call Rocket a liar for repeating what a news show told him. I simply doubt his source. Subtle difference. I doubt the source on this one too. Sucks to know that these people all just read what their handed. Pretty? Can read a teleprompter? You can be a newscaster or President. Smarts & Honesty are not in the job description. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Patrick, I don't have time like you to pick the bones of all comments here. I answered the points you mention. Please stop wasting my time. Read what I say. Digest it so you understand it. Don't make me go over the same points again and again. .............. What is fact is the US driving this whole thing as proven by the Nuland phone call. Watch it again seeing as it seems widely ignored by some here. Suggest this time it's digested so you really do get it. Once the contents are understood, try looking through fresh eyes and believe what your government is doing. The man in power, I use the term loosely, in Ukraine currently is THE man referred to by Nuland. You can see him in the pic stood opposite her, and stood between Klitchco and the Nazi. That's the same Nazi photographed talking with Kerry  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWkfpGCAAuw ........................ Because you didn't see it it does not exist. Is Putin beyond any suspicion of lying to you? Do you have absolute faith that he doesn't lie? ? Nope. Because I saw what Putin said. That's the point. I can confirm Putin said what he said. I can't confirm what Goldberg wrote. Only that he wrote it. Clear? I haven't seen it either. That does not mean it's not true. Does mean it's not proven, and that it may be false. As I said, Goldberg's comment would SUPPORT THE CLAIMS MADE AGAINST PUTIN, HE SAID TO BE BEHIND THIS WEEKENDS KILLINGS, you would imagine the Goldberg source to be verified or confirmed, it being the proof the US is so desperate to show the world. Instead just yesterday we see the puppet White House front Jen Psaki showing photographs of supposed Russian troops in Ukraine, identified as they look like Russian soldiers photographed in Georgia 2008. Yet Psaki under fire during press questioning refuses to confirm the persons in the photos are who the White House claim they are - Russian soldiers then. She goes as far as to say they APPEAR to look similar to Russian soldiers photographed in 2008. She says the White House sees them as evidence. She further refuses to confirm the White House could have other intel which confirms these pictures are of Russian soldiers. You would think such intel would be not so sensitive to release if they had it given the circumstances. Here's a US broadcast version of said photographs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqYjNJh-pH4 Here's the White House Daily Press Briefing 21st April. Psaki can be seen refusing to confirm the White House findings. Instead she says the public should make up their own minds. From 13.40 about 10 mins in duration.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lMI6GZdsE8 ................... Yes your Al Jazeera link is in reference to the live TV Q&A's Your second link does not show Putin admitting Russian troops present in Ukraine. Putin's referring to Crimea. This type of reporting is misleading to public at large. Your fourth link - the analysis of questions asked of Putin, one could just as easily say the analysis itself favours a western audience given the way Putin's Q&A's are addressed by the author of said article. Rubbish journalism. You got a link to the whole 4 hours? Yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PyEspLz8UQ Looks to me that Goldberg is not a filthy liar, but has repeated what is on multiple news programs. Hmm. Who here has NOT repeated what they heard on the news? I don't call Rocket a liar for repeating what a news show told him. I simply doubt his source. Subtle difference. I doubt the source on this one too. Goldberg said Now, imagine you are Vladimir Putin. You illegally sent Russian soldiers without military insignia into Ukraine (a major violation of the Geneva Conventions). You lied about doing so at the time (Putin has since boasted that he did exactly that). I have not seen or heard anywhere where Putin, in Goldberg's words boasted that he did exactly that. This is Goldberg lying - clearly. It is not as you say repeated on multiple news programs. Further to this, you do not need to site me as doing similar to Goldberg. I have not knowingly or intentionally told a blatant lie here. Goldberg is LYING when stating Putin boasted about sending unidentified Russian military into Ukraine. Sucks to know that these people all just read what their handed. Pretty? Can read a teleprompter? You can be a newscaster or President. Smarts & Honesty are not in the job description. Consequently Patrick, your sarcasm is not just misplaced. It's also wasted on me. Stick to the facts! Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Was not Crimea the Ukraine? The news reports Goldberg references ( not makes up a lie but references ) are some of the links I posted above. How is this different than you believing news posts? When I get home I'll see the 4 hour vid. Thank you. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Ah I see now. Goldberg's a conservative syndicated columnist. Of course he's writing Ukraine in place of Crimea. He's intentionally misleading, and misquoting Putin to boot, knowing full well what the geopolitical differences are and what Putin actually said. Of course too. This is the American way right. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Nice try. He's repeating the news. See pbs headline. George Soros? (Message edited by aesquire on April 22, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
It's not a nice try. This isn't a game. Your purpose is not to get one over me. It's to understand factual events in relation to the subject matter. What about Soros? Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Goldberg is not repeating the news. Show me any other report where someone has said Putin admitted to Russian military present in Ukraine wherein their report they'd changed Crimea to Ukraine. This type of journalism is nothing more than jingoistic spin. Gutter press patriotism at its worst. Rocket in England | ||
| Macbuell |
Good lord, man ... why would Putin admit to the military being present in the Ukraine? | ||
| Aesquire |
See link above pbs headline. It also states Putin said he did not have troops making trouble in Eastern Ukraine. I watched him say that. Your link thank you. Now because I don't trust the source on the headline I have to watch hours of a politician spinning on tv. Not my favorite thing but needful to find out the truth. Your confusion re: Ukraine/Crimea? Was not the Crimea part of the Ukraine when Putin allegedly sent troops in to run the alleged independence vote? Those troops violating national boundaries are the troops in question. Out of Goldberg's whole editorial about how much a fool Obama is you pick on his reference to a headline and call him a liar. He could well be wrong in that the news is bogus but he did not make it up or interpret it in any way. Just repeated the headline to make a point. Since most of this discussion is referencing headlines and you insist that it's not Your view but the news is it legit for me to call you a liar if the news turns out to be false? I do not do so since I believe You. I doubt some of your sources. I Asked you for that info and have thanked you for it no matter if i believe it or not. I doubt aljazeera. I said up front it's doubtful what they said was in that show. So I have to watch the show to find out the truth.. get back to you later on that. It's either true or not. Putin said it or not. Simple. Boring but simple to tell. Thank you again for the link so I can see for myself. As to the US EU cretins....... you may be right. It sounds like US right wing fringe conspiracy crap. That's what it sounds like but that doesn't mean it's false. | ||
| Aesquire |
George Soros is a major player here in currency manipulation and advancing the Cause. He pays for many organizations that promote his agenda. Spends a lot of money and is sometimes said to be the puppet master of Obama. ( not my personal belief. ..... but I could be wrong ) I have read he made a fortune on the British & Russian money troubles. I wonder how he is thought of there. Some say he is the power behind the EU/US/Ukraine mess. | ||
| Aesquire |
Re: "sucks to know...." . Not sarcasm. It really sucks that the bozo with good hair on tv might as well be a robot. He or she didn't write what they say and are just a pretty package on someone else's story. Real reporters are vanishing. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
It also states Putin said he did not have troops making trouble in Eastern Ukraine. I watched him say that. Your link thank you. How many fecking times Patrick. That is not in dispute, whether Putin told the truth or not, as said by me twice already above. Clear FFS?????? We are referring ONLY to Goldberg stating Putin admitted to having military in Ukraine, which Putin definitely did not anywhere that I've seen. Goldberg is NOT reporting the same as anyone else either. I've not seen anywhere where other sources state Putin admits to military in Ukraine. It is not a play on words. It's pretty straightforward English. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Good lord, man ... why would Putin admit to the military being present in the Ukraine? You'd have to ask Jonah Goldberg that. He's the only one who claims Putin admitted to such Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Your confusion re: Ukraine/Crimea? Was not the Crimea part of the Ukraine when Putin allegedly sent troops in to run the alleged independence vote? Those troops violating national boundaries are the troops in question. Where the feck have you been in this topic? Russia already had UP TO 25000 troops in Crimea NOT VIOLATING NATIONAL BOUNDARIES. Russia paid Ukraine billions for the privilege. It matters not what troops you believe Goldberg to be referring to. Crimea in the context he wrote that article is not Ukraine. Even before the allegiance to Russia, Crimea has been referred to as Crimea and not Ukraine. To switch the way the region is referred to at this point in time is a cheap way of trying to influence the reader to the lie you're telling. This is what Goldberg is attempting. You know it. I know it. Avoid it all you want. It's typically American and very close minded of you. Rocket in England | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Out of Goldberg's whole editorial about how much a fool Obama is you pick on his reference to a headline and call him a liar. He could well be wrong in that the news is bogus but he did not make it up or interpret it in any way. Just repeated the headline to make a point. He made the point at a time when the US (as I gave great detail to earlier) is trying hard to expose Russia for this blatant lie the US have no proof of. That is why I made issue of this single point in Goldberg's article. Because it's by far the most significant point and the most relative to recent events. Rocket in England | ||
| Aesquire |
Bull. Read the headline. Goldberg repeated the headline from aljazeera. Unmarked Russian troops. They were in the headlines at the time here. In the Crimean peninsula of Ukraine and "guarding" the voting for Crimean independence. Not the Russian troops allowed by treaty not the ones alleged to be in Eastern Ukraine today. The latter is what Putin talks about in the link I HAVE watched that you posted for me. Thank you. Might be wrong. Putin might not have admitted it and I will watch to see if aljazerra lied. | ||
| Alfau |
Look out Poland! The Yanks are coming. 600 men, women and hermaphrodites withdrawn from the last disaster will be commissioned to rattle their swords in your country. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/04/putin -says-no-russian-troops-east-ukraine-2014417132436 806530.html Russian President Vladimir Putin has weighed in his neighbour's future on live television. In a four-hour televised question-and-answer session, Putin dismissed as "nonsense" claims that Russian special forces were fomenting the unrest in eastern Ukraine. "It's all nonsense, there are no Russian units, special forces or instructors in the east of Ukraine," Putin said. He did admit, for the first time, that the troops in unmarked uniforms who had captured Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula before its annexation last month by Moscow were Russian soldiers. haven't verified this yet by actually watching. Darned life has kept me busy. Here's the headline from PBS. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/putin-admits-u nmarked-soldiers-ukraine-russian-optimistic-geneva -talks/ Crimea in the context he wrote that article is not Ukraine. Even before the allegiance to Russia, Crimea has been referred to as Crimea and not Ukraine Really? so that's what Russian tv has referred to it as? or New Russia? The article makes it clear that the Crimean part of Ukraine is the part of Ukraine in question RE: the filthy liar. I will grant you that the headline on PBS is written for the lowest common fool. Their customers. Many who never heard of the Crimea until now. Putin also stated that the Bolsheviks gave up Ukraine. "god only knows why" Seems like pretext to me, but I'll keep looking. I have no quibble at all with you blaming the worlds problems on Obama and what's his name at 10 Downing St. Hugh Grant? Whatever. I get you trust Putin more than your own PM. I'm not quite there yet with Obama, ( I just assume he's lying in some fashion at this point ) but if it's incredibly stupid and it comes out of an Obama Minion, especially at the mess that is State... probably our fault. now listening to the Prez of Russia. | ||
| Mtnmason |
600 men, women and hermaphrodites withdrawn from the last disaster will be commissioned to rattle their swords in your country. Thanks, Alfau. My screen just got a Coors Original bath. Does anyone suppose that perhaps some of the recently ousted top US mil brass has thrown around the 'c-word' in the past several months? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
and the 'American' journalist that was in Ukraine reporting that the 'Russians' have been instigating the building take overs - has been 'kidnapped' the quotations are there so y'all don't get offended by the actual things that re going on. Yes - Russia put in forward deployed hooligans, yes Russia OWNED bases in Crimea (and have been there for decades) and yes the Russians are over flying our battle boats in the Black A little war to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the First World War.... why surely 'they' wouldn't...... hum the Jeapordy tune boys and girls, I think by the time you hit the bump - bump we are in it up to our waistes and hot again with the Bear. and I suspected shiate was happening this year - I just didn't think Obama was dumb enough to go pissing into the Bears back yard - I fully expected Syria STupidity out of him. (though I am not ruling that out) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Patrick, don't patronise me you prick. I don't blame the worlds problems on Obama or Cameron. And I don't support Putin either. For your information, the Al Jazeera headline does not say what you state it does. Putin says no Russian troops in east Ukraine is what it says. How does this translate to Putin admitting Russian soldiers in Ukraine, which is what Goldberg wrote? How many f**king times? Yes the PBS headline is closer to Goldberg's words. Is this the only similar to Goldberg's comment you've found? Well done. You managed to find the only source Goldberg used then. Like f**k you did. It's more likely PBS followed Goldberg's comment. Or even more likely PBS are attempting the same misleading stunt. That would be to make it appear to the casual reader Putin is the orchestrater of undercover military involvement in Ukraine right now and has been all along. Now if you're stupid enough you can't see the obvious intent of a pro conservative syndicated journalist who specialises in writing this right wing crap, I'm wasting my time talking to you. Comrade Rocket | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/transcript-vla dimir-putins-april-17-qanda/2014/04/17/ff77b4a2-c6 35-11e3-8b9a-8e0977a24aeb_story.html Transcript. Nope, Comrade. Days after Goldbergs article I then found a whole pile of headlines that all say what the PBS headlines said. They are all parrots. It all traces back to the aljazeera article. I trust them as far as I can throw an Arab Oil Sheik, who after all, run aljazeera. PBS follow Goldberg? HA! for them he's Satan. I read faster than I listen. MARIA SITTEL: We have a text message on our programme’s website: “Who were these young men, after all? They looked a lot like Russians.” VLADIMIR PUTIN: What young men? MARIA SITTEL: Those polite young men. KIRILL KLEYMENOV: The “little green men.” VLADIMIR PUTIN: I have already spoken about this publicly on several occasions, perhaps not loud enough. However, in my conversations with my foreign colleagues I did not hide the fact that our goal was to ensure proper conditions for the people of Crimea to be able to freely express their will. And so we had to take the necessary measures in order to prevent the situation in Crimea unfolding the way it is now unfolding in southeastern Ukraine. We didn’t want any tanks, any nationalist combat units or people with extreme views armed with automatic weapons. Of course, the Russian servicemen did back the Crimean self-defence forces. They acted in a civil but a decisive and professional manner, as I’ve already said. It was impossible to hold an open, honest, and dignified referendum and help people express their opinion in any other way. Still, bear in mind that there were more than 20,000 well-armed soldiers stationed in Crimea. In addition, there were 38 S-300 missile launchers, weapons depots and rounds of ammunition. It was imperative to prevent even the possibility of someone using these weapons against civilians. thank you. I'm half way through it all. Guys, I have to tell you, listening & reading Vladimir answer questions, he really seems to have his act together. There isn't even a comparison to The O. I'm very impressed. A ready knowledge of what's going on in his country, a recall of history that Obama doesn't even have a clue happened, and very little dodging the hard questions from pensioners who are worried about their inflation based pensions. Didn't lose his temper, doesn't take crap, and has an actual sense of humor. Perhaps it's better writers for a full on Potemkin TV show, but it doesn't look it. There's certainly a bit of pre arranged PR stuff, but it actually sticks out as fake. Just like the little kid with the flowers and the speech for the First Lady ( any in history, not picking on the current one ) it's sweet, and totally rehearsed but everyone with a brain knows it's supposed to be. Sorry Rocket if I've upset you. I'm offended by calling someone a liar when it's not their information. Something they read and believe, not something they made up. I have been guilty of that myself on occasion when getting into heated subjects. They are not lying. They may be idiots, but they are honest. I'm not calling you a liar. Might call you an idiot, but it takes one to know one. But I know you won't take that seriously because I'm being a prick.  have a nice day.  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
And now we are floating a Frigate into the Black Sea.... Let's just add another target to the bath tub. The Su-24 flights were 'Provacative and Unprofessional' .... so lets be sure to give them another grey water bobber to overfly and paint. .... mark my words - one of these things is going to have an 'incident'... the 'NAVY' is entirely too well versed at doing this shit. (DAMHIK) | ||
| Alfau |
Be warned ! Russia is very powerful! They survived sustained attack from Germans during the second world war and went on to win, then the US attack during the cold war and went on to survive. Educating yourself to control the uneducated is a U.S. idea, not Russian. Russians should win on principal. |
