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Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 10:46 am: | 
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Greatlaker, you are ignorant on this subject. You are also a chickenshit that runs from a direct attack on your ideas. Then you back it with threats of violence on the internet. PM me again when you really want directions. You seem to be continuing with threats against me.
BTW, I've done many things during my career that have included sales, software development, factory work with heavy machinery, as well as the bus. Why would that be a joke? Small mind I suspect.
Back on subject, if you should choose to drop the threats, I'll quote you exactly...
I would classify "modern assault weaponry" as any modern manufactured hand gun or rifle that was initially developed with military intentions that was designed to be fired automatically or configured to fire automatically. As opposed to a weapon designed for sport hunting intentions.
An AR-15 is no more a military weapon than your Cooey 60 was when it was designed. Both however very closely follow military designs of their day. If you were to take my AR apart piece by piece you would find almost nothing (possibly nothing I'm really not sure) that is shared by the military platform. Now, as I've pointed out, but you refuse to address, ignorant lawmakers make really stupid laws, whether they deal with guns or motorcycles. Your comment that these laws aren't being proposed in your country make you no less ignorant however. These laws are in fact being proposed in my country, by people who share your kind of ignorance. What the hell you mean by "modern" is anyone's guess. Magnetic rail gun is modern. Gun powder? Not exactly. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 10:54 am: |
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/09/justice/pennsylvania -school-stabbing/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Wait...isn't this place a knife-free zone?
Modern assault knives should be banned. Also kitchen knives, because I hear they are just as deadly. Knives from 100 years ago are fine. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 10:56 am: |
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How long does it take to cycle a bolt action rifle? Longer than it takes to run up to someone and stab them? No? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 12:11 pm: |
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There's a reason police have the "21 foot rule".
That's the distance a typical thug can cover and cut you before you can decide....draw.....aim....& shoot.
I've seen it demonstrated. Rubber weapons.
Stones btw are still current use execution tools.
Sifo my bro in law is a school bus driver and now garage manager. He fixed A-4's in the Marines, Marine Corps Band, owned a motorcycle shop etc.etc.
He's my age.....older than you and we both do martial arts. Like to shoot too. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 12:33 pm: |
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There's an incredible diversity in school bus drivers. It attracts a lot of people who have been very successful in life, but for various reasons choose to keep working part time. It's great for me, I can have the riding season off. If you want a real readjustment of your life, drive special needs for a few years. It will make you rethink all the petty stuff that life throws at you.
It's kind of like driving a truck but without the good turning radius, and the cargo is noisy and tends to not stay put, and the owners get very upset when cargo winds up lost or damaged. It takes an idiot to view that as a joke. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 12:54 pm: |
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Well thank God those law abiding teachers were forcibly disarmed before they went in to teach.
Clearly, that avoided one of them randomly and unexplainedly going on a shooting spree while another person stabbed 20 people before he could be stopped. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 12:59 pm: |
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We need to have a law that requires a knife to be reloaded after the first 10 stabbings. These high capacity knives need to be banned!
Wasn't a knife Rambo's weapon of choice? |
Reindog
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 01:37 pm: |
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A Badwebber smack talkin' a fellow Bueller about his age......Priceless! |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 02:15 pm: |
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"Wasn't a knife Rambo's weapon of choice?"
You know, I think you're right. We must act now. For the children. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 02:59 pm: |
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It's for your own good. |
Greatlaker
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 06:32 pm: |
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Sifo said...
"Now, as I've pointed out, but you refuse to address, ignorant lawmakers make really stupid laws, whether they deal with guns or motorcycles. Your comment that these laws aren't being proposed in your country make you no less ignorant however. These laws are in fact being proposed in my country, by people who share your kind of ignorance"
So just to be straight here Sifo, I am ignorant because of people proposing laws in your country. Laws that have nothing to do with me. That makes perfect sense to me.
Do you know how bat shit crazy you sound there. Either you aren't communicating very well or you are friggin delusional.
That offer for the friendly face wash still stands. I'd just love to get you into the corner and just give you a nice big sweaty palm all over the face. Just get you all straightened out proper. You get to keep your teeth. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 07:06 pm: |
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Soooo... it continues. Got a threatening PM from Mr. dirt bag hockey player...
You should give me your address. I am coming down to Ohio this summer maybe I should extend the trip to Illinkois. Would love to meet you in person to continue our little conversation. You can continue your bullshit rant.
The difference between my old Cooey and an AR!15 is the capacity of the clip, dip shit. 10 bullets vs 30. It's a lot harder to kill 26 little kids ie. Sandy Hook, with a bolt action 10 shot repeater than a semi auto AR15 with 30 bullets in the clip. Your a ••••••• idiot if that doesn't make sense to you.
So you actually are a bus driver? Thanks for the confirmation. You must be one of those disgruntled bus drivers. Now I know. Offer still stands about the face wash •••••••. I think you really deserve it.
[address redacted by Blake]
Any time you want to stop in. Perhaps you should read some of my views about self defense on some of the gun threads first though. It's stupid to threaten folks on the internet in the first place, but doing so with those who obviously owns multiple firearms and shoots pretty much weekly, well that just takes a special kind of stupid now doesn't it.
We weren't talking about the difference between the Cooey and an AR. Please try to stay focused. We were discussing guns that were or were not designed as military weapons. BTW, the ignorant call a magazine a clip. Funny thing about those magazines. The military does us 30 round magazines a lot. Funny thing though. You can get 50 and 100 round magazines for an AR. Those are not used or developed by the military. They are civilian only critters. Even more to add to the horror, those magazines can work in some guns that aren't even the AR platform. See, that part of the stupidity of this, the magazine doesn't make the gun. Please note that this most recent Ft. Hood shooting was done with a 10 round magazine, possibly less. I haven't seen the exact model S&W pistol involved. How many shot again? Sounds a lot like Sandy Hook. Magazine capacity isn't the big issue here. It's good to see your argument morphing into the typical liberal argument though. This is my point about lawmakers making laws about things that they are completely ignorant of.
BTW, when you extend your trip to Illinois, please keep in mind, Illinois now supports concealed carry. Don't be stupid!
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Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 07:25 pm: |
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Seriously, you should check your meds.
We have mentioned how going off anti-psychotics or antidepressants can result in severe violence. If you are having trouble with your meds, sudden bursts of rage, depression, suicidal thoughts, see your doctor immediately. What works for one person may give another real problems. It's not even close to an exact science. Trial and error.
Do you know the difference between "ignorant" and "stupid"?
Ignorance can be cured. Stupid goes to the bone.
Example. I am pretty ignorant about curling. Went to a curling center on a field trip a long time ago, but don't retain much. You could write my entire knowledge base on curling on a matchbook cover and have room for the corrections.
I don't think I'm stupid about it. I get that it's a team sport, and the guys with brooms are trying to alter the vector of the rock. I don't have a clue as to the technique they use, and wonder about the mechanism. I can speculate that the rock, like an ice skate, melts the ice and rides on a layer of water. Perhaps the brooms warm the ice to change vectors? Do they make tiny scratches in the ice?
I bet there's a Canadian Olympic Curling center. I'd bet they have nifty stuff like an "ice tunnel" where you can photograph the rock from below, possibly with polarized light. I know enough about engineering that helping to build such a place would be fun.
However, giving me a broom to chase after a rock would not be a winning idea in tournament play. I'm ignorant of the technique.
You could cure my ignorance if you told me how to do it right. I'd be grateful.
Get it?
would classify "modern assault weaponry" as any modern manufactured hand gun or rifle that was initially developed with military intentions that was designed to be fired automatically or configured to fire automatically. As opposed to a weapon designed for sport hunting intentions.
We can argue about semantics on BadWeb all day long if it makes you feel any better what "modern assault weaponry" is.
This is ignorant. You don't understand the technical details, and it's NOT semantics. It's the difference between going to prison for a long time and being a law abiding citizen.
Can you define "fired automatically"?
Push button from a mile away? sensor activated? Fully automatic machine gun? Self loading shotgun? Robotic enemy designation systems in autofire perimeter defense mode? Trip wire?
Some of those are just fine. Others are a felony. Some are War Crimes.
Not semantics.
As to military intentions... Swords, tanks, laser satellite systems, those are military intention items from the get go. You don't hunt with a sword, tank, etc.
Guns though. Every single manufacturer/designer I can think of wants to sell his product to the military. Huge contracts, spare parts contracts, cost-plus, and this goes back to before there were guns. If you lived in England in 1066 you'd love to get the arrow replacement contract. Ford wants to sell you a pickup, sure. They'd LOVE to sell 10,000 to the Royal Canadian Navy.
Remington made, well over a century ago, a rifle called the Rolling Block. They sold them all over the world, in calibers you never heard of, to sportsmen, police, and militaries...... everywhere. Made well over a million of them. People still target shoot with them today.
Today Remington makes AR clones in multiple factories in multiple calibers, and I have no idea what the count is, perhaps 300,000? Almost all to civilians. Designed for hunters and target shooters.
As far as I know there is no pending legislation in Canada in regards to sport bikes or motorcycles. It's a non sequitur for me. To the best of my knowledge there is no pending legislation in Canada that affects the guns that I own or the firearms owned by friends of mine. So again, it's a non issue. Canadian gun laws are what they are. I legally own two rifles and I don't feel particularly threatened by either the provincial government or the federal government about my gun ownership.
and that's stupid. Perhaps you don't know of such laws, but they have affected you. Once upon a time Germany put a 100hp limit on motorcycles. ( I'm told the Mercedes guys got angry that kids on cheap Japanese bikes were passing them ) That messed up Cycle development for years. Then they changed it to a top speed limit and the manufacturers built that into the ignition system. Suddenly Gold Wings could tow bigger trailers.
I am not a U.S. citizen so I really have no opinion on U.S. gun laws. This thread started off about the tragic death of more people at Fort Hood in a second homicidal ordeal. It seems unbelievable to me that there would be another shooting incident so soon after the last rampage that occurred.
Pretty unbelievable to us too. A real tragedy.
yet you clung to your argument based on lies and propaganda ( Not calling YOU a liar here, just that you repeated lies others have spread ) and even when we attempted to cure your ignorance, you seemed to think we're calling you stupid.
Not. yet. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 08:10 pm: |
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Everyone is ignorant about most things. How people get insulted by that being pointed out when it's clearly obvious in a specific topic of discussion is beyond me. I guess some folks actually do imagine that they know it all.
No apology happening, so it's time out. No way the owner of record of this fine forum can tolerate being exposed to possible liability should the threat come real. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 08:47 pm: |
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Yeah, magazine limits are the answer, because, you know, first graders and elementary teachers are all well trained and skilled at counting the number of shots and maintaining tactical formations that allow them to charge an attacker during the 1.2 seconds it will take them to reload.
Of course a teacher at the muzzle end of a gun who happens to have their own concealed carry weapon with them, and might employ it to try and defend themselves while they are dying to defend their students (instead of standing there looking stupid while they are dying to defend their students) would never ever under any circumstances represent any kind of threat or deterrent to a deranged attacker in an unfamiliar environment.
Sigh. |
Johnnymceldoo
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 08:52 pm: |
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Puddlepirate
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 10:08 pm: |
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For us, our "active shooter" training on the base also states that we are to shelter in place if something goes down. Never mind that our 18 guys at my specific unit all have access to our armory and can get anything from the pistols on up to the mounted M2 50-cals ready to go in about 1 minute from the time a shot is first heard.
I'm stationed in one of the most violent places in the US and its protectorates (last I checked second only to St Thomas), we have had multiple break-ins in our military housing by civilians, have had people from the base get kidnapped and robbed, and yet when we petitioned to get personally owned firearms allowed in housing the idea wasn't even considered. Now we're the only CG housing that doesn't allow firearms, to my knowledge, in the most violent area. The armed guards have proven their worthlessness on multiple occasions and empty promises are all we've gotten.
I've never heard a good reason on why military concealed carry on bases is outlawed. We can be trusted to do some pretty heavy stuff, but apparently aren't responsible enough to carry concealed on a government facility.
(Message edited by puddlepirate on April 09, 2014) |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 10:12 pm: |
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It's truly insane. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2014 - 07:56 am: |
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quote:If you were to take my AR apart piece by piece you would find almost nothing (possibly nothing I'm really not sure) that is shared by the military platform.
Actually, the only functional difference is usually in the trigger components. That's what makes the military rifle a "machinegun" in the eyes of the ATF. Some lowers are designed to allow a RDIAS (registered drop in auto sear), but they are quite rare, and quite expensive due to having been banned from new production since 1986.
Take an FN15 or Colt 6920...and they're like the guns issued, but in much better shape, and of course lacking auto capability.
That's besides the point. As it started, and as it continues, all these civilian restrictions were put in place under the guise of public safety. Surely, a gangster of the 1930's would not break the law if he has to register his tommy gun with the federal government, right? Makes perfect sense.
No different than a raging, suicidal and homicidal shooter or gang banger. What do they have to do with the rest of us enjoying sport or hobby? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2014 - 08:49 am: |
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Bolt is different, receiver is different... the firing pin and extractor are the same.
The pins holding the receivers together are the same, unless they're not. etc. etc.
Possession of certain parts are restricted. Federal law.
But that's just nit-picking.
Banning open sale of machine guns didn't stop anyone who didn't care if he broke the law from getting them.
Back in the 1970's NY Governor "Rocky" passed tough drug laws. I was taking a law class in high school at the time and we looked at the new law, and came to a ( correct ) conclusion.
Cops were going to die.
When the possession of an oz. of heroin has the same, or greater penalty than murder, why NOT shoot at the police?
That's not sarcasm. If the penalty is the same, if I shoot the cop trying to arrest me, and get away, I'm golden. If I get caught, there's no appreciable difference. I had a better chance of a lesser sentence for murder than selling heroin.
The murder rate of Police in NY more than doubled after the law was passed. |
Macbuell
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2014 - 10:36 am: |
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I've never heard a good reason on why military concealed carry on bases is outlawed. We can be trusted to do some pretty heavy stuff, but apparently aren't responsible enough to carry concealed on a government facility.
Not only is it insane but it pisses me off. And the soldiers shouldn't even need to carry concealed. They should be allowed to wear their issued sidearm if they are issued one.
At a minimum, all NCOs and above should be allowed to carry. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2014 - 10:53 am: |
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Actually, the only functional difference is usually in the trigger components.
That's pretty much my point. The specific parts in my AR are not the exact parts found in an M4, but functionally they are pretty close to identical. Same as the Cooey model 60 may have no military parts in it, functionally, it's almost identical to many military weapons from near it's period. None of the major components in my AR are military spec however. Possibly some of the control switches, springs, that sort of thing might be, I don't know. Firing pin and extractor, I don't know either. All the big stuff actually have different design specs however, just like the Cooey would. So how is one more of a military design than the other? That is the point that was being addressed.
As it turns out, or just as the objections morphed, it came down to the magazine. What about non-military designs that simply used the AR mag design for simple convince? Should they be banned because you can slap in a "mill spec" mag? Should the 1190RX be banned because the rider is positioned so he is leaning over the fuel tank? Both of these suggestions are born of ignorance.
Funny thing but if untrained mass shooters did use automatic weapons, more than likely, lives would be saved. Same reasons behind the military training solders not to use automatic fire, except for limited situations. Even then many (most?) these days are limited to three round bursts in auto mode, aren't they? While spraying lead sounds deadly, and is no doubt terrifying, it's not very effective by a long shot. There are many people who will never be able to wrap their minds around that however. These are the folks that will see a folding foot peg, as seen on race bikes, as a dangerous feature to allow on a street bike. |
Macbuell
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Didn't the military add the 3 round burst to the M4 to specifically prevent the soldiers for the "spray and pray" mentality.
I imagine if these mass shooters did have automatic weapons they would just run out of ammo much quicker. I'm sure the libs would argue that many more lives would have been saved if only the rifle was not fully auto though. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2014 - 06:57 pm: |
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The 3 round burst setting is a result of a study that showed that in full auto fire, the first 3 rounds tend to hit and the rest miss.
There's no doubt that I'd prefer a FN built M240 for defending a position from human wave attacks than a muzzle loader, or an AR semi auto clone.
I haven't been called upon to do that in this life, and I'm not planning on doing so, so the only reason I'd have to own and shoot a M240 machine gun would be.......fun. Alas I live in a state where that's not allowed even if I had the Federal permit and passed the background checks. I will move someday, and freedom will be on the selection criteria. NY rates rather poorly compared to Russia. ( quite a bit better than China, I admit. I can still build a church here.... or go to the one I want )
There IS a list of the parts that are legally required to be different on a machine gun M-16 variant, and a civilian AR variant.
If you are building a gun with some parts your grade school buddy gave you in 1976 he brought back from Vietnam, I'd check the list to be sure you don't get in big trouble. ( not that I'd know anything about THAT )
Otherwise, don't sweat it.
As an aside, I once had a nice policeman stop to investigate if a buddy and I were shooting machine guns at a dump. ( Once Upon A Time you were allowed and encouraged to shoot rats there) After a polite discussion we demonstrated the fire rate of a Marlin .22 lever action and a Stevens .22 pump. The nice officer really liked the old pump.
Any seasoned HALO player can shoot faster than some actual machine guns. 
The point is the technology is not the reason the rampage suicide cases are happening. the tech has been around for generations. ALL OF IT. big magazines, plastic handles, black paint, gas operated semi auto self loading....
A dude named John Moses Browning holds patents from the 19th century on the basic principals of half the operating mechanisms in use today...... Peter Paul Mauser, Hugo Borchardt, Hiram Maxim, John Pederson, etc. designed darn near everything else, and all about 100 years ago or better.
And THEY built upon the works of Smith, Wesson, and the long forgotten Walter Hunt.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_Repeating_Ar ms
Technology from over 150 years ago.
Credit where due.... from 1848.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharps_rifle
1776 improvement on a 1720 design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_rifle
Clearly these modern innovations are responsible for that kid running through his school with kitchen knives stabbing people.  |
Aesquire
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I will note that garrison troops have not been encouraged to carry weapons "in country" for quite some time. There are reasons, and they are old.
That is different than the Clinton Gun Ban.
How many mass shooting suicides were there on Army bases before that?
Seriously. 2? In the last 200 years? any documentation? |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 02:48 am: |
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Nothing illegal about a bolt group capable of full auto fire...
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/ upper-parts/bolt-carrier-groups.html
http://www.slickguns.com/product/bolt-carrier-grou p-bcg-hptmpi-spec-223556-ar-15m16-semifull-119
Sifo,
In urban warfare in the hands of Jihadi Baghdadi spraying from five blocks away towards an experienced warfighter of the U.S. military, your point is a valid one.
You don't have to do much praying in a crowded theater or classroom to be horrifically effective with a full-auto firearm. They are devastating weapons.
If the cops have them, then free and lawful people ought to be free to own them too. |
Alfau
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 03:25 am: |
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don't have to do much praying
You obviously don't!
Now he wants a machine gun.
What's wrong with an atomic bomb. they got them too. |
Court
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 04:12 am: |
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Trying to discuss technology . . . in an attempt to find reason, logic or cause . . . . to mass shootings is falling prey to mental sleight of hand,
Until you 'fix" the human and social condition . . . . . tinkering with the technology is but a means to while away the idle time until the next ugly incident.
There have been 3 mass stabbing incidents in the prior year yet many persist in trying to turn back the hands of time by limiting bursts to 3?
Having been the victim of one of the most horrific mass shootings and, worse yet, the following months leading toward trial . . . . I fear I'm neither rational nor unbiased.
We don't zero to prevent further and more traumatic events and, in fact, have probably unwittingly thrown a gauntlet, invent the next perp, like a game of Space Invaders, to best the score of the last incident.
I also, as I read the "atomic bomb" comment . . . am not unaware that my daily peace and tranquility must also include a viable "shelter in place for 30 days and then escape the area by whatever means are necessary" plan. The President's recent defacto "nukes in NYC" challenge to the bad guys was chilling,
Guns are fine,
There are some humans crying out to be fixed. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 07:05 am: |
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The anti civil rights people depend on ignorance to sell the notion that the technology is to blame.
Since the leaders of that movement generally have the ideology "the ends justify the means" aka lies that advance the cause are good.......... you get parrots repeating oft repeated lies.
By making it "automatic weaponz" the deliberate lie is supposed to fool people into thinking grandpa's Browning automatic shotgun is the same as a Browning air cooled machine gun.
My father carried the first all over Korea, while the Marines carried the latter. His "military style automatic" was purchased at the px and was blued steel and wood. Just like the M1's the others carried. ( theirs didn't have a pheasant engraved on the side like his did )
I've read the manual for disarming America by Handgun Control Inc. ( now the Brady center to exploit a crippled guy ) "assault weapon" is a word invented to scare you. Period.
The use of fear and hate to gain power is the work of evil men.
They have a list of scary terms to lie to you.
"Sniper rifle" it has a scope.
"Assassination weapon" a .22 (the mantra is they are used by assassins )
"Sawed off shotguns" a shotgun is only a hacksaw away from a crowd killing weapon of mass destruction that doesn't even have to be aimed. ( according to Just Joe Biden )
Etc. Notice truth, facts, logic have nothing to do with this.
Fear, lies and emotional appeals.
Fed a constant diet of lies from tv it's no wonder folk like Greatlaker get upset when facts contradict the lies they are conditioned to repeat. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 02:18 pm: |
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Court, you think the "nuke NY" bit is the setup for the biggest ever Reichstag fire?
Naw, that's paranoid crazy talk, next you'll tell me the IRS is going to control my health care.
Here's Bill in Fine form.
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=9616&mpid=56 |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 02:41 pm: |
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quote:Bolt is different
As Blake asserted, bolts are the same. Some companies use a commercial vs a "full auto" or "full profile" bolt carrier. Once the ATF clarified that a full auto carrier did not make a machine gun, they became popular on so called "mil spec" rifles which cloned as many military TDP (technical data package) features as possible. The extra mass on the tail of the carrier makes for smoother cycling in the short gas system guns.
Example of the types that can be encountered:
The functional full auto trigger components are controlled. It requires a machining step in most receivers to install them as well as an additional hole for the sear pin. A machine gun cannot be made of an AR-15 by accident.
quote:Alas I live in a state where that's not allowed even if I had the Federal permit and passed the background checks
It requires the purchase of a tax stamp and ATF registration. No permit involved.
It's not hard to build or buy an AR-15 that outperforms most anything in an issued gun. It's hard to beat the military rifles for durability. They also tend to be quite basic and cost effective, though they tend to issue some pretty nice optics these days. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 06:09 pm: |
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Thanks I was behind times on the bolt.
( insert joke here on digging something up)
The tax stamp is on each item sold. I call the ATF registration on the human a permit for those not familiar with the alphabet soup.
NY has declared most of what we are discussing illegal in NY. Illegal illegallity sure. Still I am not allowed by the Imperial troopers to possess a full auto weapon.
Unless I want to end up like Luke's Aunt & Uncle. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Saturday, May 03, 2014 - 09:02 am: |
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Fortunately this one won't make national headlines. A kid was planning to blow up bombs built with pressure cookers in his school. He plan was actually quite detailed and well along in execution. Quite chilling. Obviously more gun laws are the answer here. 
http://www.startribune.com/local/257505631.html |
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