| Author | Message | ||
     Ferris_von_bueller |
Geez, don't they have the History Channel over in GB or as we used to call it before they turned to reality programming, the Hitler Channel. | ||
| Aesquire |
Mea Culpa. Fury is pointy, Gladiator is Blunt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloster_Gladiator http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Fury when America and Britain force their hands to do exactly what we all know they have to do. The historic inevitability of war? Sorry, you're operating on a level of doublethink that isn't accessible to me. Is it your opinion that the evil monsters running the European nations and the evil monsters running the US ( against, of course any rational will of the people, I think we agree ) are forcing Russia to annex territory? To keep a buffer between themselves and the Aggressive Expansion of the NATO Empire? Or just to be sure the Germans have to cross the Ukraine before getting to Moscow? ( again ) That the idiotic actions of the EU "make" a major nation conquer their neighbors is a little bit twisted logic. "you made me do it" is childish to insane reasoning. Putin's just laughing at the US, right now, and I don't blame him. I'm hoping Obama only makes a few more stupid empty threats. Let's hope he goes play golf some more, instead. | ||
| Fredfast |
Rocket - You're wasting your time with these dolts. If I were you I'd be off to the pub for a pint or two. By the way. Don't refer to them as patriots. Patriots respect their leaders. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Fred, great advice....drink yourself into a stupor. That's conducive to clear thinking. Patriots respect their leaders. You may kneel before Xerxes but I kneel before no man. Our so-called leaders aren't worthy of the air they breathe or the water they drink. I have more respect for a common street ho than I do for a politician. Pathetic you would equate being a patriot with bending over for your "leader". I bet you were one of those kids on the playground who constantly tattled on the other kids. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Pathetic you would equate being a patriot with bending over for your "leader". I bet you were one of those kids on the playground who constantly tattled on the other kids.   | ||
| Sifo |
You have no idea how much some first graders on the school bus remind me of certain personalities here. When I read some of these comments, it's actually in a certain kids voice in my head. It's really kind of disturbing sometimes. | ||
| Fredfast |
"I kneel before no man" How profound. Reality is you're in line with the rest of us. Sad part is, you don't know it. Dumb. | ||
| Strokizator |
Patriots respect their leaders. If that were the case, we'd still be subjects of the crown (we sorta still are, only a different king this time). I'm not surprised Fastfred thinks I'm both a racist and unpatriotic. Wonder why he left out homophobe and misogynist, too? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
God, Country, Corps nowhere in there do you find the president; for a reason. | ||
| Fredfast |
Excuse me but isn't he the Commander-in- Chief? | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
Oh for Pete's sake. Reindog, I apologise for calling you an idiot. This is not the way our points of view should be expressed. By name calling and ridicule. Arguing about who got the glory and who's fault caused losses during the 2nd WW is a pretty sickening pastime I want no part of. Rocket in England | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Against all enemies - foreign and domestic. | ||
| Mtnmason |
City- That 'stacked team of 13' you mentioned in the other thread must no doubt be filled by men (if you will) of FF's ilk. Should we really be scared of them? True patriots can't wait to smite those who ascribe to similar ideology. | ||
| Reindog |
Thanks, Rocket. I hope you know I respect you and your incorrect opinions.  You have been here a long time, know and love Buells, and it must have been less than easy for you to return here. Your presence is welcome and you do know how to argue both with intellect as well as with a bar room banter. --Right Wing Patriot. | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
I appreciate you making light of it. However, I was drifting off into insult mode. A step back was necessary. I went for a long drive earlier and cleared my head. My apologies to anyone else my remarks may have offended. It's not the right way to get a point across. Rocket in England | ||
| Cityxslicker |
An endorphened team of gun ready thugs that easily accepts orders blindly?.... History is replete with them. And I will be damned if they are gonna knock on my door (considering 5 of the last addresses I have used have been dead drop vacant lots - yeah - I am that kinda paranoid) | ||
| Alfau |
Blake! Are you talking about Blake ?gun ready thugs ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB100014240527 02304886904579471933179823314?mod=trending_now_4 Running Dog Capitalist Propaganda. New Sec State has to practice.. "So we threatened Russia and lost Europe, at this point what difference does it make?" | ||
| Blake |
More... http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/vladimir-putin-wants-rega in-finland-says-close-adviser-1442466 The Putin apologists might ought reflect upon his use of Polonium to kill uncooperative journalists, one of them right there in Britain. Now you say we should trust his word and his state news? It's an interesting new policy though. Maybe America should rescue the English speaking, American automobile producing regions of Canada from their ethnically French overlords in Montreal. Why not invade Cuba and allow the people to vote for new leadership? Venezuela too? Baja, surely would appreciate being rescued from the corrupt Mexican govt. If it's okay for Putin, then how can anyone object? Of course then China surely will also enjoy that new paradigm. Not that they already don't have such an agenda. Nothing like a war to stimulate the economy? "After my election I have more flexibility." President Obama: On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space. | ||
| Greatlaker |
French overlords in Canada?? You've got it backwards Blake. It's the English society in Canada that overlords Quebec. But thanks for the rhetorical hypothesis none the less. Although I don't doubt that Putin has fantasies about annexing other European countries, the reality is that it's not going to happen. Particularly Finland, which would be a military nightmare to combat. Does anybody here not recall the Soviet fiasco in Afghanistan? If the Russian's could not succeed in Afghanistan what makes you think they will succeed in Finland, Belarus or Ukraine with a much more sophisticated population and better armed citizenry? Any actual invasion by Russia into any one of the afore mentioned countries would be so taxing on Russia that it would certainly result in the break down of Russia herself. All kinds of bitching on this board about Russia and what should be done to stop further Russian expansionism but I have seen nothing from any of the arm chair quarterbacks on this board about actual solutions. Not one single idea has been proposed by anyone, I would really like to hear some practical solutions from any one of you guys. Crimea is lost, lets accept that. Now what? Nato troops in Ukraine? Assassinate Putin? Naval blockade of Crimean ports? Sabotage of Russian oils fields? First strike nuclear attack against Russia? Anybody here have any reasonable course of action? No matter how much you most of you despise the current President, the fact of the matter is he is not operating in a vacuum. He has advisor's, general's, financier's and the best sources of U.S. academia to tap into to help your government make the best decisions in regards to this present dilemma. When you are insulting the course of action taken by the present government you are really insulting the best military and strategic minds that America has to offer regardless of political policy. I have no idea what sort of back room dealings the U.S. Dept of Global Strategic Affairs is committed to but I would imagine those guys are trying to personally damage Putin as much as they can right now, and they are collecting data. I would imagine they have every Swiss bank account of his tracked, I would imagine they are monitoring and recording every conversation he makes, they are keeping track of every business transaction he has overseen. Putin's net worth is estimated to be approximately 70 billion dollars from various state run business dealings he has involved himself in. I would hasten to guess that Putin is more concerned about keeping his money than he is about annexing Ukraine or Finland. That is the trump card the U.S. has to play. But then again, maybe Putin is bat sh*t crazy and none of the money matters anymore. Who knows? I don't. Neither do any of you. As a side note, Canadian oil stocks are hitting daily highs day after day since this whole mess started so there is an actual silver lining to some of this. Thank you God for Saskatchewan. | ||
| Sifo |
Not one single idea has been proposed by anyone, I would really like to hear some practical solutions from any one of you guys. Crimea is lost, lets accept that. Now what? I would like to see a more local/European solution. Without that, then next domino will also fall and we will find ourselves saying "it's lost, accept that". Real world wide sanctions on Russia would apply pressure, but Europe has backed into a corner on with poor energy policy, so they fear doing such a thing. As far as the US goes, like it or not, we have played world police for a very long time now. Our current policy, like it or not, is to cut back militarily. This isn't being done in coordination with any allies to provide any continued vigilance either. The resulting power vacuum WILL be filled. Perhaps you may not have always been thrilled with how the US handled it, but will you be happier with the new world power? Russia and China are ramping up their military power. North Korea is strutting their stuff locally. Iran simply laughs at us knowing this administration lacks a spine. Much of the middle east is in more turmoil than has been seen in many decades, largely because of our current incoherent policies. Bottom line is that the best defense involves a strong defense with strong allies. We are currently weakening our defenses and relationships with allies are not what they once were. The results of this are as predictable as a train that doesn't stop at the end of the tracks. You may hope to not see a train wreck, but you know it's coming. | ||
| Macbuell |
This is what happens when you draw red lines in the sand and then do nothing. It emboldens those around the world who look for weakness. We have few choices now unless we want to wade into armed conflict but maybe we wouldn't be in this spot if Obama had a set of balls and stood behind his own rhetoric. Now everyone knows he (we, the USA) are nothing but a paper tiger and no one fears any sort of repercussion. Heck, the Iranians laugh at us now. This is the perfect example of how you need to have a clear, defined and consistent foreign policy. If you do not, it will be exploited and countless number of times now Obama and his administration have made themselves look like fools by making statements they were unwilling to back up. Now no one cares what they say or think and they certainly don't care what they do. Obama set about to reshape our image in the world and man, was he successful in that regard. (Message edited by macbuell on March 31, 2014) | ||
| Sifo |
maybe we wouldn't be in this spot if Obama had a set of balls and stood behind his own rhetoric To be fair, this isn't all of BO's making. Well the rhetoric part certainly is, but what do you expect from a man who started his presidential campaign, pointing to college classes to bolster his foreign policy experience. The results of that are apparent. The real problem is that BO shares a similar view on defense as does most of Europe. Europe has gotten away with this for a long time, largely because of reliance on NATO and the UN to play world police for them (read that to mean the US BTW). With the US following the same weak policies, the vacuum get filled by less than nice power, simply because the nice guys have become complacent. I'm kind of glad that the US won't be expected to do the lions share in the world anymore, but we need others to step up to the plate. Most of Europe simply isn't up to that task. If they were, BO's defense policies wouldn't be as bad. | ||
| Macbuell |
I don't disagree with any of that but if you tell the world that there will be dire consequences if someone does something that is completely unacceptable. And that someone does just that and you do nothing, you have lost credibility on the world stage. We don't need to be the world police and I don't want us to be. But for us to have any credibility we have to back up our statements with actions. Obama and his admin are incapable of that and now all the empty threats are just ignored. | ||
| Sifo |
And I don't disagree with that. | ||
| Greatlaker |
Sifo said..."I would like to see a more local/European solution" Why then, are you bitching so much on this board about what Obama is not doing then???? Do you not recognize your own hypocrisy??? You are a smart guy I am assuming. The best solution you have is no solution so far. Ten words, thats your fix for Russian expansionism. Perhaps you could explain how you would you like to see a local or European solution to the Ukrainian crisis. Please elaborate with some detail. Maybe you could suggest what countries would be involved. Would there be any sort of military intervention? How would European natural gas lines be protected? How many people might die? How will the world economy be affected? You should take the time to read this link... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/20 13/01/07/everything-chuck-hagel-needs-to-know-abou t-the-defense-budget-in-charts/ The biggest surprise to me is that U.S. military spending is very cyclical. Prior to war and during war, military budgets go up and after wars military budgets go down. I'm not sure what bone you have to pick about current military spending, it has gone up and down through U.S. history before. 20% of the U.S. national budget is presently spent on military spending. How much more do you want Obama to spend on the military before you will be content? 25%??? 30%??? I thought you guys were about less taxes. Do you really want to spend more tax dollars on the military Sifo??? If you feel so compelled about it, you should stop posting on a Buell board and start canvasing your neighbours with a petition to send to Washington. "SIFO WANTS MORE MILITARY SPENDING. OBAMA'S NOT SPENDING ENOUGH" | ||
| Pwnzor |
Rocket... much respect for that. Carry on. | ||
| Reindog |
Greatlaker, Do you realize that you come across as yelling, demanding, and condescending to other contributors that you do not agree with? You might consider more civility if you wish others to understand your opinions. I believe in a strong United States military and I support a large budget for them. Our defense is one of the few items authorized by the Constitution of the United States of America. I do NOT support the overstepping of the Federal Government into what are State's right issues. The USA is designed to be a set of 50 individual laboratories with a weak Federal presence. Obama is doing great harm to our nation both internally and externally. (Message edited by reindog on March 31, 2014) | ||
| Rocket_in_uk |
And a quick glance at a map reveals that Russia would be ringed from the Baltic states to the Black Sea if Ukraine became part of the Western camp. At least 12 of NATO’s 28 members are countries formerly controlled by the Soviet Union. And that was after the U.S. promised Gorbachev that if Soviet troops withdrew from West Germany, NATO would not move “one inch east.” Putin is acting in the Crimea not because he is fearless and defiant of the West but because he is afraid of NATO, which has been busily outflanking Russia to the west. New NATO members with especially bad memories of Russia like Poland and the Baltic states really have nothing to fear from Russia even if they have a Russian-speaking minority. Russia will not send a single soldier into a NATO country. Rocket in England | ||
| Greatlaker |
Reindog, I have no opinions. That is why I would like to get some real clarification on this subject from people that post here. As a Canadian, I get different news feeds than what you do. Perhaps my overview of the subject is more objective. Perhaps its not. Reindog. Do you know what percentage of U.S. national budget you would like to see spent on defence? What would be appropriate in your opinion? In regards to weak Federal presence. You have a country of 350 million people. If I lived in a country with that many people the last thing I would want would be a "weak Federal presence." I think I would prefer a moderate federal presence. Do you ever think the guys that made up the constitution ever envisioned a country of 350 million people and still maintaining a weak federal presence? I bet they didn't. |
