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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 06:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ah, the ACARS was manually deactivated BEFORE the last verbal message was sent from the plane.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/16/fligh t-mh370-last-message-communications-disabled-malay sia
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Xdigitalx
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 09:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hopefully they find something on the pilots computer.
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Hootowl
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 09:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Experts on aircraft maintenance have explained that the plane's communications system can only be disabled manually a process that requires switching a number of cockpit controls in sequence until a computer screen necessitates a keyboard input"

Um...unless the box broke, or power was interrupted.

Shut down sequences go out the window when the plug gets pulled.
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Akbuell
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As to 'hiding' from radar with another aircraft, I believe the procedure is established, somewhat.


Certainly not the same thing, but the DEA used to follow drug running planes (better said suspected drug running planes, to be politically correct) for hours, literally tens of feet behind and below them, using only the glow from the lead planes exhaust as a reference. Not done by the casual pilot.

I seem to remember Tel Aviv using this technique to enter hostile airspace for a hostage rescue. Entebbe? So it has been done, although radar and procedures have come a long way, I'm sure, since then.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The plane was on fire. It killed the crew so fast they couldn't communicate with anyone? However, the fire was so weak or extinguished itself and the plane flew on for another seven hours?

The plane is in Pakistan being loaded with a wmd. Coming soon to a city near you.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Held for ransom?

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/19/expert-b elieves-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-being-he ld-for-ransom/

"Put a trillion dollars in unmarked bills in locker number 33 at the bus station and wait for our call."
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Much like NSA spying came as a surprise to many the assets of the DOD in regards to tracking and identifying objects would also come as a surprise.

Shawn Hannity reported that his sources within the government have told him, " we can't talk about it" which would lead me to believe they know something.
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 08:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Gregtonn
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

About 12 years ago, the company I worked for designed a radio suite with a transponder that could not be turned off unless the plane was on the ground and stationary.
Also to think that, in a modern jetliner, the transponder should be turned off to save battery power is ridiculous.
If there is only enough power left in the electrical system to run the transponder that is precisely the time that you need it. And yes I know voice coms are useful but if you are at that point they use much more power than a transponder.

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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I admit I don't know as much as I used to about Airliner gear. Let my Aviation Week & Space subscription expire.

On little tiny planes.... the battery is small too.
Nearly every circuit has a breaker ( or fuse...) so you just flip off the Transponder.

I can see Airlines not allowing that, and the crazy regs since 2001 demand all sorts of stuff for flying buses that General Aviation doesn't have to put up with. Some are even good ideas.

12 years ago? Hmmm. that makes sense.

My point about transponders being on in parked planes though. Still makes sense to me.

I agree that given a choice between voice coms or the transponder, in an airliner, I'll keep the transponder.

As of this time I still have no opinion on what happened to that plane.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=9529&mpid=105
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It could be a black hole. Or you could remove CNN from your channel list.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-don-lemon-is-it-pr eposterous-to-think-a-black-hole-caused-flight-370 -to-go-missing/
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A small black hole would suck in our entire universe, so we know its not that.

I'd have shut it off right there. Idiot.
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Reindog
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It's too bad that the 24/7's would just report the news as it occurs instead of constant speculation. No matter what the outcome, the conspiratorials will come out of the woodwork.

The Occam's Razor theory is holding up with the potential discovery of the debris field off Australia.



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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 12:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That "remarkably simple explanation" story indicating an electrical fire is getting some pretty sound criticism, FWIW.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The latest:

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Court
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am enjoying the "why can't the transponder be shut off" and recalling . . . fondly . . how we collectively squeaked about the prospect of ABS or TC not being "shut offalbe".
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here is the real question.... what prevents you from not shutting it off, but rather setting a different identifer?

Being a security guy.... I'm betting the answer is "precious little"...
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Reindog
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have purposely stopped listening to the non-stop speculative reporting of Flight 370. When actual events occur, I listen, and am open to whatever happens to be the truth. The fire theory still holds but is open to criticism.
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

One thing I find interesting is how fast what is "knew" yesterday, is forgotten with what we "know" today. Also, a lot of what we "know" seems to be speculation at best. Kind of explains that first part. As an example, how exactly do they "know" that when it turned off of it's flight plan, it was done by someone putting commands into the computer, rather than simply flying the plane manually. I've not heard anything about this sort of data being transmitted off the plane in any way. If it were transmitted off the plane somehow, wouldn't we have a very good idea where it went? Leads me to believe that this data isn't transmitted, which tells me that they don't know that the new course was input into the computer. So how much do we really know about it's radar track and altitude changes? Quite probably a lot less than we are lead to believe.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

As an example, how exactly do they "know" that when it turned off of its flight plan, it was done by someone putting commands into the computer, rather than simply flying the plane manually.

According to what I heard this morning, they're basing this assertion on the fact that the plane made VERY precise turns and precisely maintained altitude, which would not have been the case if the plane were under manual control. FWIW
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

According to what I heard this morning, they're basing this assertion on the fact that the plane made VERY precise turns and precisely maintained altitude, which would not have been the case if the plane were under manual control. FWIW

And we "know" this how? You get the idea.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I feel like everything the news says about this plane is total bullshyte...

REGARDLESS of the channel.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Precise turns & altitude? Sounds like what every pilot is expected to do.
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court I will believe.
These "experts"???????? Seriously? Black holes? Area 53?
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Kenm123t
Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Diego Garcia
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I know hindsight is 20/20, but this isn't exactly the first plane to go down that has been hard to find, so... If they can have the engines pinging satellites periodically, providing information on altitude and engine performance, how hard would it be to add one more piece of information? Like GPS coordinates? Next time a plane goes down in a semi-remote location, wouldn't it be nice to be able to look up on a computer exactly where it was right before it screwed the pooch?
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You mean like every UPS truck and USPS Mail Carrier in the US?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 03:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You've got to figure that whatever the outcome of this, there are going to be some significant changes made with commercial air flights pretty quickly.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You mean like every UPS truck and USPS Mail Carrier in the US?

Like adding a GPS chip that is in just about every cell phone that you can buy these days. The transition to the satellite is already built in. The cost, weight, and complexity of it is insignificant. Our school buses have it too. I really hope I'm not the only one who has thought of this for commercial airlines at this point.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 08:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

GPS technology can pinpoint the location of your vehicle and provide it to authorities

We can remotely block your ignition,3 making it impossible to restart the vehicle once it's turned off.

An Advisor can work with the police to send a signal to your vehicle, forcing it to
gradually and safely slow down.


OnStar. $199.00 bucks a year
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

one theory.... political.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/finally-pla usible-scenario-happened-flight-370.html

Fire theory

http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysia-plane-fire -2014-3

Current official Malaysian version.

http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysia-plane-fire -2014-3
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