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Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 18, 2014 - 06:48 pm: | 
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Ah, the ACARS was manually deactivated BEFORE the last verbal message was sent from the plane.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/16/fligh t-mh370-last-message-communications-disabled-malay sia |
Xdigitalx
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 09:09 am: |
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Hopefully they find something on the pilots computer. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 09:44 am: |
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"Experts on aircraft maintenance have explained that the plane's communications system can only be disabled manually – a process that requires switching a number of cockpit controls in sequence until a computer screen necessitates a keyboard input"
Um...unless the box broke, or power was interrupted.
Shut down sequences go out the window when the plug gets pulled. |
Akbuell
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 02:07 pm: |
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As to 'hiding' from radar with another aircraft, I believe the procedure is established, somewhat.
Certainly not the same thing, but the DEA used to follow drug running planes (better said suspected drug running planes, to be politically correct) for hours, literally tens of feet behind and below them, using only the glow from the lead planes exhaust as a reference. Not done by the casual pilot.
I seem to remember Tel Aviv using this technique to enter hostile airspace for a hostage rescue. Entebbe? So it has been done, although radar and procedures have come a long way, I'm sure, since then. |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 04:27 pm: |
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The plane was on fire. It killed the crew so fast they couldn't communicate with anyone? However, the fire was so weak or extinguished itself and the plane flew on for another seven hours?
The plane is in Pakistan being loaded with a wmd. Coming soon to a city near you. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 05:14 pm: |
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Held for ransom?
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/19/expert-b elieves-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-being-he ld-for-ransom/
"Put a trillion dollars in unmarked bills in locker number 33 at the bus station and wait for our call."  |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 05:29 pm: |
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Much like NSA spying came as a surprise to many the assets of the DOD in regards to tracking and identifying objects would also come as a surprise.
Shawn Hannity reported that his sources within the government have told him, " we can't talk about it" which would lead me to believe they know something. |
Just_ziptab
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 08:22 pm: |
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Gregtonn
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 09:47 pm: |
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About 12 years ago, the company I worked for designed a radio suite with a transponder that could not be turned off unless the plane was on the ground and stationary.
Also to think that, in a modern jetliner, the transponder should be turned off to save battery power is ridiculous.
If there is only enough power left in the electrical system to run the transponder that is precisely the time that you need it. And yes I know voice coms are useful but if you are at that point they use much more power than a transponder.
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Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 10:17 pm: |
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I admit I don't know as much as I used to about Airliner gear. Let my Aviation Week & Space subscription expire.
On little tiny planes.... the battery is small too.
Nearly every circuit has a breaker ( or fuse...) so you just flip off the Transponder.
I can see Airlines not allowing that, and the crazy regs since 2001 demand all sorts of stuff for flying buses that General Aviation doesn't have to put up with. Some are even good ideas.
12 years ago? Hmmm. that makes sense.
My point about transponders being on in parked planes though. Still makes sense to me.
I agree that given a choice between voice coms or the transponder, in an airliner, I'll keep the transponder.
As of this time I still have no opinion on what happened to that plane. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 19, 2014 - 10:34 pm: |
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http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=9529&mpid=105 |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 10:17 am: |
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It could be a black hole. Or you could remove CNN from your channel list.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-don-lemon-is-it-pr eposterous-to-think-a-black-hole-caused-flight-370 -to-go-missing/ |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 10:25 am: |
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“A small black hole would suck in our entire universe, so we know it’s not that.”
I'd have shut it off right there. Idiot. |
Reindog
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 10:37 am: |
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It's too bad that the 24/7's would just report the news as it occurs instead of constant speculation. No matter what the outcome, the conspiratorials will come out of the woodwork.
The Occam's Razor theory is holding up with the potential discovery of the debris field off Australia.
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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 12:13 pm: |
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That "remarkably simple explanation" story indicating an electrical fire is getting some pretty sound criticism, FWIW. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 12:36 pm: |
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The latest:
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Court
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 01:15 pm: |
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I am enjoying the "why can't the transponder be shut off" and recalling . . . fondly . . how we collectively squeaked about the prospect of ABS or TC not being "shut offalbe". |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 01:59 pm: |
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Here is the real question.... what prevents you from not shutting it off, but rather setting a different identifer?
Being a security guy.... I'm betting the answer is "precious little"... |
Reindog
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 02:12 pm: |
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I have purposely stopped listening to the non-stop speculative reporting of Flight 370. When actual events occur, I listen, and am open to whatever happens to be the truth. The fire theory still holds but is open to criticism. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 02:28 pm: |
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One thing I find interesting is how fast what is "knew" yesterday, is forgotten with what we "know" today. Also, a lot of what we "know" seems to be speculation at best. Kind of explains that first part. As an example, how exactly do they "know" that when it turned off of it's flight plan, it was done by someone putting commands into the computer, rather than simply flying the plane manually. I've not heard anything about this sort of data being transmitted off the plane in any way. If it were transmitted off the plane somehow, wouldn't we have a very good idea where it went? Leads me to believe that this data isn't transmitted, which tells me that they don't know that the new course was input into the computer. So how much do we really know about it's radar track and altitude changes? Quite probably a lot less than we are lead to believe. |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 02:44 pm: |
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As an example, how exactly do they "know" that when it turned off of its flight plan, it was done by someone putting commands into the computer, rather than simply flying the plane manually.
According to what I heard this morning, they're basing this assertion on the fact that the plane made VERY precise turns and precisely maintained altitude, which would not have been the case if the plane were under manual control. FWIW |
Sifo
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 02:48 pm: |
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According to what I heard this morning, they're basing this assertion on the fact that the plane made VERY precise turns and precisely maintained altitude, which would not have been the case if the plane were under manual control. FWIW
And we "know" this how? You get the idea. |
Pwnzor
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 03:04 pm: |
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I feel like everything the news says about this plane is total bullshyte...
REGARDLESS of the channel. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 04:36 pm: |
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Precise turns & altitude? Sounds like what every pilot is expected to do. |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 04:38 pm: |
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Court I will believe.
These "experts"???????? Seriously? Black holes? Area 53? |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2014 - 08:52 pm: |
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Diego Garcia |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 02:45 pm: |
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I know hindsight is 20/20, but this isn't exactly the first plane to go down that has been hard to find, so... If they can have the engines pinging satellites periodically, providing information on altitude and engine performance, how hard would it be to add one more piece of information? Like GPS coordinates? Next time a plane goes down in a semi-remote location, wouldn't it be nice to be able to look up on a computer exactly where it was right before it screwed the pooch? |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 03:11 pm: |
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You mean like every UPS truck and USPS Mail Carrier in the US? |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 03:33 pm: |
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You've got to figure that whatever the outcome of this, there are going to be some significant changes made with commercial air flights pretty quickly. |
Sifo
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 06:56 pm: |
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You mean like every UPS truck and USPS Mail Carrier in the US?
Like adding a GPS chip that is in just about every cell phone that you can buy these days. The transition to the satellite is already built in. The cost, weight, and complexity of it is insignificant. Our school buses have it too. I really hope I'm not the only one who has thought of this for commercial airlines at this point. |
Wolfridgerider
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2014 - 08:58 pm: |
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GPS technology can pinpoint the location of your vehicle and provide it to authorities
We can remotely block your ignition,3 making it impossible to restart the vehicle once it's turned off.
An Advisor can work with the police to send a signal to your vehicle, forcing it to
gradually and safely slow down.
OnStar. $199.00 bucks a year |
Aesquire
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2014 - 08:30 pm: |
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one theory.... political.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/finally-pla usible-scenario-happened-flight-370.html
Fire theory
http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysia-plane-fire -2014-3
Current official Malaysian version.
http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysia-plane-fire -2014-3 |
