| Author | Message | ||
     Uncle |
It truly scares me that these people are "educating" our children. http://news.yahoo.com/school-officials-deeply-trou bled-over-guns-appearing-signs-044012095.html | ||
| Sifo |
Having frequent interaction with some of our "educators" every day tends to scare the poo right out of me. Then some really take the cake... http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/02/05/this-ma dness-has-to-stop-mother-of-dying-son-fights-again st-required-standardized-testing/
 WTF? | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Sheep creating sheep. Time to start putting bullets to cattle. | ||
| Aesquire |
Welcome to Commie Core. Bill Gates has pumped near half a Billion $ into this. From what I understand it is half indoctrination on obedience to "government officials" half re-writing history. (The heroic struggle of Labor, yes. The Founding Fathers, no. Jefferson was a racist slave owner, Absolutely ) That is the school side. The flip side is a database of all your child's life. Every grade, test, class disruption, survey on parents ( got gun? Religious? Politics? ) and full biological records including real time physiological monitoring in class and at home. You won't have access. Google will. Yes I know how paranoid this sounds. Please correct any errors I have made. | ||
| Uncle |
Really????? The child is dying and the school is trying to test him??????!!!!! I would struggle to restrain myself while showing them the door. "The Post pointed out that Ethan isn’t the first disabled student in the state forced to take the test. A boy born with a brain stem but without a brain had to do so as well last year." (I could make the obvious comment about comparing this boy to some educators, but I won't) | ||
| Sifo |
True story here. I drove a special needs school bus for four years. There was a high school student that I drove for two of those years. He was wheel chair bound and basically non-responsive. Upon his graduation, he not only graduated, but did so "with honors". Don't get me wrong, I feel bad that anyone has to be in such a situation. The problem is that an employer will look at a HS education and evaluate it based on the lowest common denominator. When someone who is non-responsive graduates with honors, where does that place the rest of HS graduates? Potentially, as non-responsive people who can't do the simplest of tasks for themselves, much less for an employer. Then you wonder why a HS diploma won't get you a job any more? | ||
| Slaughter |
The education system is really a small community that doesn't really reach outside of it's own community for ideas. Children babysat by public servants, educated by public servants, college - further educated by public servants and those who aspire to be teachers (public servants) are who are now raising the kids. Small communities have their good sides but with this small intellectual gene pool, we're in-breeding idiots. | ||
| Ratbuell |
First issue is this statement: “The intent of the stickers is to inform those with a concealed-carry license that they are not allowed to bring a gun into this location,” Um...I thought the stickers would be a warning to EVERYONE that you can't carry a gun here. Now - as those of us who are rational gun owners know - all the stickers mean to a felon, or a 20 year old bent on destruction, is NOBODY THERE WILL FIGHT BACK. Because, by definition the stickers will also: “inform those with a concealed-carry license that they are not allowed to bring a gun into this location,” sigh.... | ||
| Airbozo |
Every profession has it's share of imbeciles. In the articles cited, not one of them indicates the testing is required by law due to past law suits by, you guessed it, parents. Teachers are required by law to perform those tests regardless of disability or they can be sued by, you guessed it again, parents. "The education system is really a small community that doesn't really reach outside of it's own community for ideas." Quite untrue. The education system is a product of the entire community and all too often the result of lawsuits by, good guess, the parents. My SO is a Special Education Teacher and she quit a six figure high tech recruiting job to go back to teaching, because of the satisfaction she gets when she see's that light go off in a child's head. She has more education than most doctors or lawyers and I would guarantee she knows her kids way better than their own parents do. She teaches in High School where they have 4 years to fix what the previous elementary and middle schools did to your kids by allowing them to pass no matter what, because it may hurt their feelings if they get held back. Guess what? That is a product of lawsuits. Parents all too often sue the district if they even mention holding their kids back. If they don't learn something, it is always the teachers fault and never the parents fault for not forcing them to do homework or the students fault because they refuse to turn in home work or other assignments... Sifo, I understand that story and could offer more examples. Again, if that student would not have graduated, I would bet my years salary the parents would have sued the district instead of realizing that their child was not capable of doing the work to get that diploma. The SO is dealing with several cases similar to your story and they are heartbreaking, because of the damage done to the kids by their own parents. She was recruited away from another district due to her education and experience, to become the Special Education Department Chair at her current school. This is a very prestigious High School that parents lie cheat and steal to get their kids into. There are 2 basic tracks for special needs kids. One is the diploma track. The kids can only get certain modifications to the curriculum and still be eligible for a diploma. Once they get that diploma (or even fail to graduate) they are done, out of the system and on their own. The other track, prepares them to enter the real world by teaching them simple life lessons like reading a clock, navigating a bus schedule or even counting change. In the second track, they get services paid for by the district until they are 22. There is a third track (most likely what that wheelchair bound child was in), that grants a diploma based on heavily modified curriculum. It is not the same diploma that non special needs kids get and if you look closely at the diploma, you can tell (there is some wording to the effect they graduated a modified course schedule). That is normally only done for certain children and again is demanded by the parents under threat of a lawsuit. Do all of you know that "normal" children have a set amount that a school district can spend on their education, but that special needs children do not have that limit? Do you know that after multiple lawsuits by parents and "Education Advocates", school districts must provide a person to drive around to certain houses to make sure that kids get out of bed and go to school because the parents can't/won't force these kids to get up (it might ruin their friendship with their child)? I could go on... From my point of view the problems with our education system fall into a couple main areas; 1. The parents for not taking an active role in their child's education. 2. The union, for allowing certain teachers to remain in the classrooms and not fire some of them for bad work ethics. 3. Administration, for not having the balls to take the bad teachers to task instead of transferring them from school to school because they don't want the wrath of the union. My SO and most of her co-workers spend countless hours of their own time creating curriculum, grading papers, contacting parents, and dealing with lawyers. In addition we spent ~$3500 of our own money last year to provide supplies, food and other items to her kids. Money we cannot recoup. In the end the school system is a product of the citizens it serves. You have the power to change it, not some politician. It raises my hackles when I hear people blaming the teachers for everything, when in fact they are limited by union contracts and lawsuits brought by parents in what they can do and what they MUST do (such as the testing). If the unions were held responsible for the content of the contracts and parents started suing the unions instead of the school districts things might change. Remember, teachers are human too and some are just as worthless as your least favorite co-worker, but to generalize and say all or even most teachers are bad is an ignorant statement. | ||
| Airbozo |
Damn guys, sorry for that long winded rant... Just pisses me off when I see people generalizing about any profession (except of course politicians). lol! | ||
| Sifo |
Airbozo, Thanks for the contribution. I take you at your word about your SO. No doubt there are exceptional teachers. Like most industries, they are the minority though. Unlike most industries, in teaching, exceptionalism tends to not be rewarded properly. That's a shame. About the diploma, I didn't see anything on it that showed it to be any special program. Yes, I actually saw the diploma. It was displayed at his funeral. I had this discussion with another driver who also saw it at his funeral. Neither of us noticed anything to distinguish it from any other diploma. That doesn't mean there wasn't something. It probably means that most employers won't know the difference though, and that's kind of my point, that it devalues the meaning of all HS diplomas. I recognize it as a touchy subject though. I actually drove this student in the "transitions" program you describe that goes to age 22. It can be very heartbreaking to see the hand that some of these kids are dealt. Often life is very unfair to the most innocent of people. It didn't take long in that job to really appreciate the blessings that I had received in life. It was possibly the most life changing influence on my entire life. During the four years of doing that, there were three kids that I drove who died. It's really hard to see that happen. RE: the $3500 you guys spent in supplies. I believe that should be tax deductible at least. The town that I was driving special needs for was quite a liberal town BTW, even by our norther IL standards. Many of the teachers are nothing more than hippies, still dressing the part. Other schools I've seen aren't quite as bad, but I still see some incredibly stupid things being done. Like driving down the road though, the really stupid ones stand out. The good driver who poses little risk to us quickly goes unnoticed. Thank your SO for going unnoticed!  | ||
| Aesquire |
Me, I love teachers. The college of education? not so much. Airbozo is right. Most of the damage done by teachers is done by a tiny minority that cannot be fired. ( almost, it's really not worth it for most people ) Look at NYC where teachers that any sane person would fire come to "work" in an "office" after they've been so crappy ( including sexual assault on children ) that the Administration just won't let them near kids anymore. But can't fire them. And you can't make them do any clerical work, they have a Union. So you pay them to sit and drink. Take that insanity, and multiply it times the Federal Government, and you have certain doom. The complaint about parents suing is true too. Some take zero responsibility for raising their accidental offspring, some don't know which babydaddy donated the genes for their kid, and have to work multiple part time jobs to stay alive. And some parents, ( this is a very taboo topic ) just shouldn't be allowed to breed. It's tragic. We won't even talk about the offspring of close relatives. ( "uncle daddy! uncle daddy!" ) Special education is mandatory, weirdly funded, and run at a State & Federal level by ignorant fools. Or evil witches, it's hard to tell. It ties in with drugging the children, diagnosing imaginary diseases by non-medical folk, ( which can be, in fact, witchcraft ) and money, money, money. It doesn't take a genius to see that if all your students have "disorders", are doped up enough not to be discipline problems, and are special ed, that your school gets better funding. In the local City school district that means more self esteem czars at $126000 a year, and a cabinet for the Superintendent larger than George Bush's when he was President. And better paid. We won't even talk about the Union which probably owns a resort in the Catskills for "conferences" of union leadership. | ||
| Ourdee |
I LOVE IT! I live in the last hold out state. I will believe the concealed carry permitting when I see the first one issued. Not yet. I love that we are going to get it out in the open for the head burying dummies that their children are not safe in schools. And yes those of us that have went to the classes for CCW permits were taught where we can and can not carry. We can not carry in places that display the correct sign. It has to be the right size too and properly displayed. The sign tells me that the people inside do not want my business. So, post the sign, and I will shop elsewhere. Bad news for liberal criminals in Illinois, is the wording of the new law. There is a no sue clause in it. They will rant and rave about that one. (720 ILCS 5/7-1),(720 ILCS 5/7-2), and (720 ILCS 5/7-3) each have a part (b) in them that starts out like this," In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor"........................ | ||
| Sifo |
RD, I've got a question that perhaps you can answer for me. Do you know what they mean when they say "partially" concealed in the Illinois law? I heard someone mention it at the range on Tuesday, but didn't get any details. I looked and there it is on page 3 of the PDF... http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/98/PDF/ 098-0063.pdf
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| Aesquire |
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&load=9354&mpid=105 | ||
| Ducbsa |
Regarding partially concealed, does it relate to your legally concealed gun becoming apparent from a bulge? I think someone here had an incident in NYC where a woman saw the bulge and freaked out. This made me think that in some states/cities, you have to do a perfect job of it. | ||
| Ourdee |
FIRST: I AM NOT A LAWYER! (1) carry a loaded or unloaded concealed firearm, fully concealed or partially concealed, on or about his or her person; and This was another win for us. It simply means that it is acknowledged in the law that there will be times when a bulge from bending, or stretching, a wardrobe malfunction, etc. may cause the firearm to not be invisible to an observant person. "Partially" stops us from blatantly displaying the firearm during carrying it. (I disagree with the lack of open carry being allowed.) When I am not carrying, I deliberately wear T-shirts with pictures of guns on them in Illinois. I will not wear said T-shirts if I'm armed. Sorry Illinoisies you are still in Merika. I get compliments on them usually from elder citizens that have had their sensibilities vexed by the gun ignorant. Here in is the rub; When you carry CONCEALED, how would an anti gun posting business etc. know you are in possession of a firearm. I carried concealed for years. I bought my wardrobe with current clothing trends and concealment in mind. I could carry a Cobray M-11 with four 30 round mags and a SPAS 12 shotgun undetected. When I served on jury duty, I carried. "The court system can be the most dangerous place in Merika." Would I carry in a court house today?, no there is a law against that. Do I recognize gold fringed flags?, yes, for what they are. My flag has only Three colors. Red, White, and Blue. I know which flag I swore an oath to. NOTE: I am not a lawyer and the opinions I post here should not be construed as legal advice! | ||
| Sifo |
Thanks for the replies on that. The law, as written is very vague obviously, and I haven't taken the class yet. I kind of wonder, if I'm on the bike and stop for lunch and like a good subject, observe said sign, I must then take out my gun in the parking lot and lock in a compartment on the bike. It's obviously not concealed during that transition. Am I breaking the law to comply with the law? I know the easy answer is to either take my business elsewhere, or my riding buddies are set on that place, to simply keep it concealed. Open carry would be nice simply because it covers you if someone happens to catch a flash of it while you re-tuck your shirt or something innocent like that. No common sense for Illinois though. Still, it's progress. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Schools are so fuujed up anymore.............. My brother was born with downs syndrome.Not full blown,but enuf that he went to a specialized school and lives with assistance. He never scored the winning touch down nor was elected the Prom king....but nowadays,they do "that" set up on purpose. WHY? That is as retarded as being retarded! My brother earned his ribbons and awards at the Special Olympics.Nothings was ever handed to him. Never mind that the local paper has top front page news,several times a year of high school students "signing letters on intent" to play volleyball or basketball at a Voc/Tech college. Yep, complete with propped picture of Mom and Dad,the high school coach and principal at the "signing ceremony"....like it's a big damned deal. Funny they never follow up that ceremony a year later when the girl gets banged after winning the big game and is now unmarried and pregnant. The little berg I live in has never produced a super star....and probably never will.I guess,let the "out of touch with reality" dream their make believe fairy tales...........  | ||
| Rick_a |
Ya can only do what you can with your own. I was fortunate to go to a couple good public schools. A few teachers cared when I didn't. While I learn just fine on my own they at least got me to put some effort into it. The books I'd get from the libraries and the things I'd draw in study hall would get kids expelled these days it seems. I was very interested in military subjects from as soon as I could read. I have to warn my kid at times to be careful about what he talks about at school. He likes shooting and is very interested in hunting in particular. I do like picking him up with my favorite firearms company on the cap and a Punisher or pro-2nd shirt on. Not much they can do about that. | ||
| Ourdee |
Rick a, You don't live in Illinois. | ||
| Rick_a |
Funny you say that. I did then. | ||
| Ourdee |
How long ago? I was told in class that if a firearm is seen in your house by an EMT, Fireman, Policeman, or Public Servant, they are required to report it now. (Message edited by ourdee on February 08, 2014) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Everything I 'learned' in school was in spite of the education system; not because of it. My afterschool coaches taught me more of life, performance, ethics, and diligence than I could ever learn in a classroom from that sleepy town. The afterschool International Club is what got me into linguistics and foreign language as a major in college. High school was abysmal with P.C. - I think we had 6 valedictorians because each ethnic / gender diversity widget had to have their own. (1987) | ||
| Ourdee |
My shop teacher taught me Art, Self worth, and English. He was still a Marine helicopter pilot in the reserves and had been one in Vietnam. I graduated with the state minimum credits and three majors in industrial arts in three years. I went to night school my senior year because I moved out of my parents house and had a full time job. That one teacher was why I made it. That humble man was the first real live hero I met. |
