| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
After finally coming to understand what is going on with China, anything but free/ fair trade, and especially after seeing their state news media publish plans for nuclear attack against America, I literally cannot stomach any product labeled "made in China." I'm done. From here on out, I will do without. Anything but "made in China." When will we wake up?! Boycott everything labeled "Made in China"! Anyone who complains about low wages, lost jobs, the poor economy, but continues to purchase consumer products marked "Made in China" is a flaming hypocrite. Consumerism is a disease. We can beat together AND bring jobs back to America. Go EBR!!! | ||
| Pwnzor |
Does the EBR have anything from China on it? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
It's a bleak future with or without China. Look around problems are being artificial created. The insane are running the asylum. We are devolving. Global warming, windmills, solar panels - give me a break! Our leaders make a mockery out of the real issues. | ||
| Whisperstealth |
Been pursuing my own anti made in China policy for a while now. Been focusing on buying made in America products, even if it means buying less, and doing without. It really is not hard to buy American made goods if you are willing to spend just a little more time looking for them. Today I'm wearing American made socks, boots(RED WING), hoodie(Camber), and jacket(Bruns). | ||
| Doz |
It may be helpful to start a list of American made products right here on badweb, for future reference. I'm very happy with my Bruns coat, and have been wearing Carolina boots for over 10 years. And my Round house jeans! All American made. | ||
| Sifo |
I fully agree with a voluntary boycott of any Chinese. It's one thing to do that with bigger purchases. It really gets hard and tedious when purchasing the small stuff though. I wish there was an easier way to identify where stuff comes from. IMO US manufacturers should proudly put MADE IN THE USA where it can't be missed. Even when you can't get US goods, China should be the last choice. They should never have been allowed into the WTO, and have been gaming the system ever since. | ||
| Thumper1203 |
Thank you, BLAKE.. hear-hear! this has been MY personal mantra for years now.. we NEED to pay a "little" more for our USA made daily needs, goods and products, keep our monies local.. we stand to reap the rewards in spades over the long run! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Video removed did somebody get 'talked' to ? | ||
| Geedee |
Your efforts won't matter much Blake. 'China' will just bring it's manufacturing to you and call it 'Made in US', as it already has. Trade treaties know no boundaries. Your corporations are 'China's' corporations. Many 'Chinese' corporations ultimately belong to... ? Who knows. Definition: "The etymology of “corporation” is derived from the two (2) 16th Century Latin words: "corpus" which means "(dead) body"; and: "ater/atio" which means "funeral rights, dark, gloomy or dismal" ; Therefore "corporation" means literally “an association of one or more performing the funeral rights associated with the burial rituals of dead corpses”. From 18th Century English corporation meaning "INCORPORATED COMPANY for doing business". Unlike a CORPORATE or a COMPANY, the invention of the legal fiction known as a CORPORATION permitted a body to use the pre-existing CHARTER of a superior COMPANY to register as a subsidiary--effectively eliminating the need for a new and unique CHARTER to be drawn for each and every new body. In addition, Corporations were permitted to register their own subsidiaries, creating potentially long chains of bodies all belonging to superior entities until the final entity holding a valid CHARTER. Today, over 99% of CORPORATES and COMPANIES are actually subsidiary Corporations of subsidiary Corporations themselves having no original CHARTER, but holding legal rights by virtue of being a REGISTERED SUBSIDIARY of a body ultimately holding a valid recognized CHARTER." "Economic rationalism is the prevailing philosophy of most global corporations and governments that commercial activity and decisions while they affect societies are bound by the laws of economic self interest; therefore rational (accounting) values and not moral values must take precedence." http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2011/07/1 9-corporation-west I gather from the President O thread, that voting the Republicans back in will fix it. | ||
| Thumper1203 |
Whoa.. video gone whaaa? | ||
| Geedee |
America looks pretty much red to me. http://www.heritage.org/research/projects/china-gl obal-investment-tracker-interactive-map | ||
| Blake |
I guess that youtube version was pirated. Here's the trailer. The film is better than the trailer suggests. Death by China Film - Official Trailer - www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0VjwU8cWEw GD, Please watch the documentary and then see if you still think there's no difference. There is no way short of post-apocalyptic enslavement of America they could move production here and maintain the same artificially low pricing. No way whatsoever. | ||
| Blake |
And to answer your question, no, a change President won't likely change the situation. From Clinton through Obama, same acquiescence and deference. American boycott would make a huge difference. The Internet is the tough problem. Retailers are not required to list country of origin in mail order or on Internet sales media. I've asked every single one of my elected representatives to pursue legislation to require that. All refused. Or I should say their lack ices refused. Like Sifo says, they should have NEVER gained WTO member status. They blatantly violate fair trade law and everyone knows it. Politicians and their cronies in big business have sold the farm to ••••••• Godless communist scum! We saved them from the Japanese in WW-II, and in return we get warmongering, corrupt trade attacks on our industry/economy, and disdain for our nation. | ||
| Blake |
http://deathbychina.com/ It's on Netflix. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Ummm... no answer to my question. Does EBR use any Chinese parts? | ||
| Geedee |
I have watched the documentary, and I can sympathise with your concerns. "At the height of its power in the aftermath of World War II, the United States created a new financial order based on liberal institutions such as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. The medium of exchange in that system was the dollar, pegged to gold at $35 an ounce. All other currencies were then pegged to the dollar, establishing the greenback as the world reserve currency. In the 1960s, French Finance Minister Valery Giscard d'Estaing referred to what he called "the exorbitant privilege" of the US dollar." "It refers to the fact that because the dollar is the world's currency the US can borrow more cheaply then it could otherwise." "Exorbitant privilege also means the right to print dollars to meet world demand for the reserve currency in an environment of world economic growth. This process was in check up until 1971 when Nixon closed the gold window to settlement of foreign trade imbalance (in Ft Knox gold). Since that time the US has been free to print unlimited dollars (paper promise) to fund its growing trade imbalance. This has fostered seriously excessive US consumerism as well as the loss of US industry to offshore concerns." Your Dollar status is changing, and not by chance. Companies such as Avon, GE, and AT&T for example, have been in China and manufacturing products for 20 to 30 years. Most American consumers simply had no idea. http://www.jiesworld.com/international_corporation s_in_china.htm http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/24/us-china -audits-kpmg-usa-idUSBREA0N1AO20140124 With all due respect, when are you going to man up and take responsibility for the situation? Always blaming everyone else and the rest of the world when all along you have been doing it to yourselves. What do you know of TPP or TAFTA? My Firebolt isn't going to perform very well if I take the Chinese made wheels off it. | ||
| Aaron_thomas |
If you are using a computer made in the last 20 years. Talking on a cell phone. it was made in China, or a huge part of it was. Foxconn is the largest electronic manufacturer in the world. Though they are thinking about building in the US, the majority of their product is http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/27/us-foxco nn-taiwan-idUSBREA0Q01F20140127Chinese. | ||
| Aaron_thomas |
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/27/us-foxco nn-taiwan-idUSBREA0Q01F20140127 | ||
| Tankhead |
Labor unions crying out that they lost jobs, outcries from people on the left about climate change from china, pollution from corporations. That is what I saw in the trailer for that documentary that was posted twice by the OP. HMMMMM funny how many of you, many of you have slammed unions, global warming, government mandating clean industrial plants when it concerns us here in the USA but when it is China doing it you get on board. Now don't ASSume I don't agree, I just call it like I see it. HONESTY, just an observation. | ||
| Pwnzor |
when it is China doing it you get on board I think they might just be looking for a level playing field. China follows ZERO rules with regard to labor and the environment. The USA follows MOST of the rules, self-imposed. Me, personally... I say build, burn, drill, incinerate. To me, saying that man is somehow destroying the environment is like saying that man can defeat nature. Man can not, and will not defeat nature. The Earth is largely unpopulated, no matter how crowded it might seem in Mumbai, Shanghai, Mexico City or Los Angeles. We are but a few microscopic insects on the vast landscape. I also call it like I see it. Still waiting to hear about whether or not EBR uses any chinese parts. | ||
| Pikeben08 |
I thought the documentary was a good one and it made me sick. I do question the statistic of 56,000 factories closed since 2001 though. Were all of them actually due to the trade agreement with China (I won't call it free trade)? I think probably not (although a large percentage probably were). I wonder how many were also due to NAFTA or reasons unrelated to free trade agreements. I just thought the statistic was a little skewed. For example, I worked at a refrigerator factory that moved to Mexico in 2006, not China. I'd personally like to do away with free trade agreements altogether. But now that we are in them it's going to be tough to get out since prices would most likely spike big time, at least initially. It's a complex problem we've gotten ourselves into. | ||
| Pwnzor |
When are all the countries who owe their very EXISTENCE to the United States going to repay us? How's that for a deficit? | ||
| Blake |
I don't think anyone here can answer your question Mat. I know the wheels are no longer "made in China" and the frame is now "Made in USA". I understand the component issue. I'm not boycotting that so strictly, for now just the retail product itself. EBR is made in USA. Interestingly read recently that even our military found some made in China bits in some of their procured equipment. That got fixed right quick, even though the parts were very basic simple components. If our military can do it (nuke subs, radars, satcom, etc), then rest of us ought to be able to do so too. GD, I'm not following you. I'm not shirking responsibility. Just the opposite. Just trying to correct the mistake. Please don't tell me I won't make a difference, or my efforts won't matter. Besides being rude, I despise defeatism. What is your solution? | ||
| Chauly |
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB100014241278 87323372504578468582435347210 | ||
| Blake |
It's unbelievable how leftists are so brainwashed to hate their political opposition that even on obvious issues of agreement, they choose to attack their fellow Americans, rather than unite against a common enemy who is harming America. Shame on you Tankhead. YOU and thise like you are the problem in this nation today. Nothing but hatred for those critical of corrupt, bloated big labor. How sad. >>> I think they might just be looking for a level playing field. >>> China follows ZERO rules with regard to labor and the environment. The USA follows MOST of the rules, self-imposed. RIGHT ON Matt! We MADE the rules! I'd add artificial manipulation of the Chinese currency, basically a huge import tarrif imposed upon us by China. Forced labor manufacturing? Price fixing/dumping of key products? See plywood. Free trade is a moral issue. I support it. But only if the playing field is level with respect to environmental protections, human rights, currency valuation, and free/fair trade (no dumping or price fixing). | ||
| Glitch |
I don't see how anyone from any side of the fence can turn a blind eye to how the Chinese treat their fellow human being. That for me is the deal buster. | ||
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| Fahren |
There is no way short of post-apocalyptic enslavement of America they could move production here and maintain the same artificially low pricing. No way whatsoever. Chinese buy former GM plant in Dayton, Ohio for manufacture of auto windshield glass: http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2014/01/10/ chinese-auto-glass-manufacturer-to.html?page=all Just one example... Over the last decade, Dayton has lost over 40,000 manufacturing jobs. This Chinese plant will create about 800 jobs. Sounds like the conditions could be ripe for some form of "corporate wage slavery." | ||
| Airbozo |
"Anyone who complains about low wages, lost jobs, the poor economy, but continues to purchase consumer products marked "Made in China" is a flaming hypocrite." Totally agree. I personally have been on a reduced China diet for decades. I will do without when I can and pay more for US goods if I have to. The problem I have is my chosen career. Try being deeply involved with the electronics industry and NOT buy from China. At this point it is not possible, but instead of giving in, I solicit all of my suppliers to offer me a product that is not made in China (in whole or part) and it is working. Where I work, we used to source many parts and services from China due to cost. After compiling data on failure rate and customer attitude we now avoid them when we can. I have personally shifted all of my custom computer case manufacturing to US and Canadian companies (Yea! Protocase!) and most if not all of my quality issues have disappeared. My company also actively targets those companies having production done in China to move their production back to the states and we have won a couple of big contracts specifically because we can prove lower failure rates and fewer quality issues which saves our customers money in the long run (due to NDA's I am not allowed to list them here). Some companies end up using one of our competitors (who also assemble and manufacture in the US) and they always get a follow up call from me to thank them for bringing jobs back to our shores even if I am not personally getting the benefits. I recently had a discussion with my F-I-L about the Made in America direction in my life. He seemed to agree on all points (and is the old school America First attitude). To my surprise, the new socket set he bought me for Christmas was plainly stamped "Made in China". Sigh... I waited a few days and brought it up again, not wanting to sound ungrateful, and informed him I took the gift back and exchanged it for a Made in America version. He felt bad because he didn't realize Craftsman had 2 different models with one being made in China. He is now on a mission to make sure Craftsman products are clearly marked where they are made and whoever sells them drop the Chinese made versions (he's retired and needs something to keep him busy). I've actually gotten hate mail from several of the vendors from China that we used to use. One of them actually has a main office in the L.A. Area (that lady was fired shortly after). What they fail to realize is that many of us here in the Silicon Valley know each other and share stories and sources. Now several of my competitors have stopped using the same suppliers. Funny how forwarding one piece of email will cause such change. Good luck to all of those weaning themselves from the Chinese produced junk. | ||
| Strokizator |
My biggest objection to buying from China (and I have many) is that, apples-to-apples, their stuff is crap. We've become a disposable society. My dad was the worst offender. Dad: "Hey check out this socket set I bought. Only $10." Me: "It'll break the first time you try to use it." Dad: "That's OK, I'll just buy another." Me: "Not me. I'll buy American made with a lifetime warranty." His other saying that really rankled me was "It's better than nothing." No thanks, I'll take nothing until I can afford something of quality. On a quest right now for a good pair of sneakers NOT made in China or Pakistan. |
