| Author | Message | ||
     Torquehd |
I just came across the Sandy Hook conspiracy videos on Youtube today. The "evidence" that it was staged seems quite compelling. I have to say, during that time when a plethora of shootings occured and made national news, coinciding with the enormous push from the "O" administration to ban a plethora of firearms, I thought something was fishy. I've seen some other conspiracy vids in the past. The boston bombing smells fishy as well. I'd watched 9/11 and moon landing conpiracy vids a few years ago and thought they were garbage, but looking again now, I can't say for certain that I believe the towers should have collapsed. Or that the videos of the moon weren't staged and slowed down. I would hate to think that America hasn't been to the moon, but I need more evidence one way or the other. It's hard to believe that a government that can't successfully launch a website could be capable of pulling off such grand deceptions. But then again, part of me thinks that the website was intentionally flawed from the get-go. Any thoughts? | ||
| Griffmeister |
Sorry, it's a little painful being in the same state as the shootings and then hearing about all the deniers. It's too easy to spread doubt when you hand pick some video segments and weave a story about a government orchestrated fantasy to forward some kind of agenda. As long as these people can make something sound plausible they'll find someone to believe it. So let's forget that just over a year ago 20 children, 6 adults, all their siblings, parents, grandparents and close relatives didn't have a Christmas. In order to create a conspiracy of such proportions you would need the cooperation of practically the entire town as well as surrounding areas. This means creating entire families of the 26 victims and incorporating them into town records then getting everyone on the police force and the emergency responders to "learn" their parts and be able to repeat their story consistently to reporters and investigators. Now you also need the cooperation of the surviving students and teachers who have now been moved to another school in order to maintain the viability of this conspiracy. IDK, maybe in a perfect world you could get all the adults in one town to lie about a fabricated event to make it look real. In the real world I don't think you could get a room full of adults to carry a lie like this. In any world I don't think you could get a school full of K through 6 children to lie consistently about their imaginary dead classmates and the terror they supposedly went through that day. I would say that the "fake" tragedy conspiracy has no shred of truth. The other conspiracy that the murders were real but Adam Lanza was really a hired gun for the same purpose of promoting an agenda is more horrifying and just as implausible. If you want to watch these conspiracy theory videos for entertainment purposes then fine, but don't go taking them for the truth. | ||
| Reindog |
Step away from the bong, both of you. Step away from the bong. | ||
| Torquehd |
Thanks for the input Griff. Glad to hear from someone close to the story. My thought was, not that the town or children were in on anything, but that someone with an agenda could have framed Lanza, with the sole purpose of demonizing specific types of firearms. As there was already a big push to outlaw assault weapons (although the initial reports were wrong - the only "assault" weapon was still in the trunk and never made it into the school, despite the story of the official medical examiner who said that all of the gunshot wounds were from a "long gun"). I'm not generally a paranoid person, but I know that there are things that go on that the general population doesn't know or need to know about. I just wonder how far the powers that be are willing to take things. And there are certainly those in our government who will do whatever they think they can get away with. | ||
| Torquehd |
Never touched a bong, and I haven't touched any type of illegal drug in years. | ||
| Reindog |
Does that specifically make you a paranoid person?  | ||
| Torquehd |
Nope. Sentence structure. I didn't say, "i'm not a generally paranoid person". I said, "i'm not generally a paranoid person". | ||
| Geedee |
I applaud your courage to even ask Torquehd. Would that have been "Sofia Smallstorm Unravelling Sandy Hook"? Well worth a watch. "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." John F. Kennedy "There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche | ||
| Aesquire |
Sandy Hook was a horrid event. When an insane person is willing to murder to get the weapons to commit massacre suicide no gun laws will stop him. The Twin Towers attack showed exactly the failure mode of a sky scraper as described in detail in the well researched novel "The Towering Inferno". The movie didn't go into the technical bits like the book, of course, but did begin the genre of "Disaster movie". I watched a conspiracy vid on 9/11 and things like the seismograph traces show exactly what I would expect from the events that actually happened. Plane strike on upper floors, fire, "pancake failure". The failure mode was exactly as described back in the 1970's. I have been told by conspiracy fans that there are hidden nukes in skyscrapers so they won't fall over......... also the Illuminati and some guys that play drums nude in the woods rule the planet. I would buy the nude drummer theory first. | ||
| Aesquire |
As to the Sandy Hook coverage being crap..... that is so true. Conflicting stories and opinion presented as fact. Outright lies in the pursuit of political agendas. The "news" companies should be sued for malpractice. A disclaimer should be at the start & end if each show warning that the content is a docudrama, the opinion of management and may have no relation to reality. | ||
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| 99savage |
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| Crusty |
You know; just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you...  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
If you believe the news - then you are complicit in the charade. It is not a big thing to generate false faith, fear, doubt, and confusion. Get an 'expert', a politician, a celebrity Tell the Lie Repeat the Lie Show any denial of the Lie in bad light Repeat. (ps first hand witness accounts of any 'tragedy' are always suspect for viability; it is why any investigator / spook - KNOWS it is just one piece of the puzzle, and not a volume of evidence) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The above formula is BASIC. I learned it from a govt agency slide show in 1987. If you want to know what an enemy is up to - you listen to the lies they tell each other, and to the world. The mosaic of patterns, differences, trends, and trajectories will give you an insight into what their real intentions are - and a good estimate of where they are going next, or down the road; but it will only give a general heading - it will not predict every pebble along the way. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
chemtrails ... I wonder if they have something similar for the ocean... no one would ever know, you couldn't point to it or take a picture and rant about it on a website either. I suppose it (something) could show up in our fishes?? There could be thousands of secret projects already happening ... we will never really know. But we can see chemtrails. | ||
| Aesquire |
I'm convinced that Chemtrailz are imaginary, based on the economics of airlines. Every pound of fuel you burn eats profit. To reduce the mileage of an airliner to add "toxins" would require a government subsidy. There's just too many people involved to hide something that huge. I'll pass on an opinion on Fluoridation.  No, if I want a good conspiracy, I like the Nazi flying saucers, secret Antarctic base, possible alien contact, Vrill energy, and....what the heck, The Knights Of Malta. Or whatever it was in "Witchblade". Darn that girl was hot & rode a Buell! But that's just for entertainment. Isn't it the Bilderburgers that do the nude drumming in the woods? I've never drummed nude, but I've done a sweat lodge. Must be fun guys. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Somebody needs to find the "Megalomania gene" then we can screen people & put them all on the island of St Helena to work it out between themselves. Well that's what I plan to do when my plan for world dominance comes to fruition. | ||
| Doz |
Conspiracy theorists have agendas, same as the shameless political types exploiting acts of cowardice. Both sides knowing that there are many sheep to be lead. Don't become a sheep. | ||
| Torquehd |
If condensation can be called a chemical, then sure, there are chem trails in the sky, the natural byproducts of a combustion engine passing through the atmosphere. Our current administration has proven that it is willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent Americans with the express purpose of tyrranizing "assault weapons". Just ask Brian Terry. I remember that, in the week prior to the sandy hook shooting, there was already some news coverage about the push for gun control. When the shooting in Ct happened, I remember thinking it was convenient timing for the admin. As well as the Aurora Co shooting. My concerns: 1. The creation of the victim sympathy pages before the event happened. 2. The presence of Crisis Actors among those interviewed. 3. The streets appear in every video clip to be blocked off from the town's emergency response vehicles. 4. THE SAME DAY, SAME TIME, SAME CITY, THERE WAS A FEMA DRILL SPECIFICALLY CONCERNING THE EFFECTS OF A MAJOR DISASTER UPON CHILDREN. (google the boston bombing - same scenario involving a DHS bombing drill same time, same place. 9/11/01, NORAD was conducting a counter terrorism drill - same time, same place) 5. The medical examiner provided false information to the media which was specifically catered to support the cause of the assault-weapons lobbyists. 6. Emelie Parker. How was she in a picture with Obama after the shooting, if she was one of the murder victims? | ||
| Pwnzor |
Sandy Hook had the worst smell about it... In my lifetime, it's the closest I've gotten to believing in any conspiracy. 9/11 could have some element of conspiracy to it, but I stop well short of the full immersion that some folks claim... If you're trying to tell me that the Bush family had something to do with planting explosives in the towers while they were being built, well then I just stop listening to you. At that point, the chemtrails have gotten to you. | ||
| Glitch |
https://www.google.com/#q=conspiracy+theories+that +turned+out+to+be+true | ||
| Pwnzor |
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| Aesquire |
Almost all the early reporting from Sandy Hook was idiotic and inaccurate. Later reporting was propaganda for the Prez's anti Civil Rights Campaign, but While I've heard various stories, I haven't paid much attention. I EXPECT Network News to be dead wrong on anything involving guns, science, the military, or reality. Mostly because the classes & teachers "journalism" students take are far left wing illusion classes. I had a great editorial about how most of the Journalism students were stoned, and THAT's the reason they hated GW Bush, because HIS justice dept. busted Tommy Chong. ( hey, It's as good a reason as anything else I've read ) In any event Journalists tend to be crappy students and utterly ignorant of the planet, how it works, and any details outside their limited Show Biz wannabe lives. The Military, guns, science and "normal, conservative folk" are weird, scary and in the case of conservatives, remind them of their parents, so they don't like them. Do you have any links to decent sources for the various allegations about Sandy Hook? Just curious. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Glitch, I just read through everything in that link, and watched some of the videos. My problem with most of what is written there is this: It all fits TOO NEATLY together. Not enough chaos for me to really believe most of it. False alien invasion? Maybe. | ||
| Rick_a |
Besides the usual media slant and typical politically skewed misinformation campaign, I saw little pointing towards a conspiracy. Conspiracy theorists love attention and don't have to work hard to get it. | ||
| Rick_a |
http://zapatopi.net/blackhelicopters/bhchart.png Needs more Blackhawk, less Apache. | ||
| Glitch |
Just food for thought. | ||
| Aesquire |
I keep telling people, they are not black helicopters. They are OD green ones that have been sprayed with an aluminum anti corrosion preservative, which darkens the color. Until it's almost black. Which looks black against a light colored sky. Don't worry about them. The "real" black helicopters, you never see those.  Besides, Isn't it Drones now? Theres a drone training base down the road. They've already dumped one in the lake. I wonder how exiting that's going to make flying ultralights? Some poor shlub with a paramotor zipping along at 35 mph when a Predator on auto terrain comes zipping by at 150..... Seriously, I'm looking at a simple flying toy, either a WW1 replica or soaring trike. More or less the mopeds of the skies. These drones really can't see all that well. That paramotor guy has less than 70 pounds a metal on him. A Fokker Eindecker has 220. How good is their anti-bird radar? And that's just the traffic aspect. If you are practicing with a recon strike drone, what do you practice on? You're going to only load and fire missiles out on the Lake ( locally, other bases will use sea/drylake/desert ) but if you want to "recon" the best training tool is, cities and suburbs. That's where there are people to observe and track. Anyone remember "Blue Thunder"? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd3lDhyM21M | ||
| Pwnzor |
Anyone remember "Blue Thunder"? Of course... but I'm an Airwolf guy. Scientific studies confirm that Airwolf wins this battle. |
