| Author | Message | ||
     Just_ziptab |
 Click:http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/12/12/frs- 15-california-featureless-ar-15-stock/ | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Title should read stock.Can't edit  | ||
| Pwnzor |
That's hilarious. | ||
| Hootowl |
That looks scary. They'll ban it soon. | ||
| Sifo |
So by not having a "pistol grip" you are allowed to use the "one magazine per classroom" mags. That makes sense! | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Thats uglier than a bag of mashed up assholes. | ||
| Aesquire |
LOL. When the so called clinton assault rifle ban with it's restrictions on magazine size was passed, the market adjusted. 11 round mags too evil? Make 8 round .45's. Small revolvers made a comeback. The market went from 18 rd "wonder nines" to 8 rd pocket guns, and companies like Kel-tec made out with smart designs and flexible business models. Give the customer what he wants. You win. Since the People's Republic of CA passed stupid, unconstitutional laws, it was only a matter of time before someone bothered to read the badly written laws, and exploit the loopholes. Congrats. Good work. As to ugly? I personally think the "stock" M4 collapsible stock is butt ugly. ( pun intended ) I don't like how it slides across a wood floor if I try and stack it in a corner, the sharp edges leave marks when I use one with a t-shirt, ( freaking 1898 Mauser STEEL butt stocks don't do that ) and it has even worse cheek weld ergos than the original AR fixed stock. So, While I can't say I find the above picture.......... pleasing, aesthetically, it's purposeful and intelligent in it's context. | ||
| Ourdee |
Thumb hole stocks were big under that ban. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Thank god they removed the "shoulder thing that goes up". Now our children are safe. | ||
| Sifo |
I've never understood the idea that an adjustable stock is a safety issue. Especially on a rifle that can simply have two pins pulled out and be a significantly smaller package in seconds. Still quite big to conceal though. The adjustable stock only shortens it up by what, four inches? Sure, that make is slip right in your pocket.  | ||
| Rick_a |
Come on now, it's NEVER been about safety. It's all about incrementally banning stuff these politicians don't like. In a few states it's been pretty effective. I hope those stocks were made of recycled materials from an eco friendly manufacturing facility...for the children.  | ||
| Aesquire |
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| Nik |
http://monstermangrip.com/mmg-ar/ slightly less stupid looking version of the same way of complying with a stupid law. | ||
| Torquehd |
Nik, I disagree, that's even worse. Its looks like the old, unnecessarily robust M16 stock. | ||
| Nik |
The stock on their website is an M16A2 type stock. I've seen the grips used with other stocks as well. I've also seen people bolt plates to the stock grip to achieve the same effect. Sometimes I miss California.... only sometimes though. | ||
| Nillaice |
What about a pistol grip on an SB15 long barreled 'pistol'? | ||
| Swampy |
Is a PS 90 California Compliant? | ||
| Jayvee |
Don't think so. No pistol grips with a drop-out magazine. The first adaptation shown above was developed for NY, and is also sold in CA. There's four brands for CA are commonly known, two have been shown. All are a bit on the ugly side. Maybe the Bullet Button does look the best. But it came very near to being 'outlawed' so people went crazy getting stock things. I considered that one above, but not enough adjustability in L.O.P. | ||
| Sifo |
What is going to be CA compliant with their new regulations about firing pins that have to microstamp the cartridge when it fires. I know S&W and Ruger have said they are not going to ship to CA anymore. I'm sure many more will follow. I have little doubt this will be found to be a back door repeal of 2A rights, but that will take time. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Micro stamping....just exactly what problem does that solve? You aren't going to shoot somebody because your firing pin is micro stamped?How many rounds before it wears down.....or ...are they going to ban sandpaper and files too? They use to put taggants in black powder and every pound had to be registered with the number on the bottom of the can.Didn't work either and was dropped. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Everybody knows the Crips prefer to use black powder muzzleloaders and IEDs to off their rivals. | ||
| Rick_a |
California is simply a big beautiful state where the people with money and power think common folk shouldn't have the same rights they do. Nothing done in an attempt to ban certain firearms/features is logical. It's a matter of what they can pass. The laws are typically thought up of in the most crime infested cities and presented as a means to end said violence. These laws, of course, don't apply to gang members and thugs, but the sheeple don't know any better. Kalifornia is the poster child for the oppressive .gov nanny state. | ||
| Sifo |
So CA actually has a list of guns that have been added to the list of CA approved hand guns.  No, that's not a gag list. It's straight from CA's website... http://oag.ca.gov/sites/oag.ca.gov/files/pdfs/firearms/recentlyadded.pdf | ||
| Aesquire |
As a student of history, I often ask a simple question. "If you could wave a magic wand, and every gun ever made just vanished, what do you think would happen?" I get a variety of answers. Almost always dead wrong. This is what would happen. Without fire arms, the police could not control the cities. A gang of 4-6 thugs, with sticks and rocks, could steal whatever they wanted to. Rape who they chose. If a cop with a billy club ( a rare thing ) tried to stop them, they would just gang up on him and beat him to death. And take his stuff. A woman could not walk the streets alone. Without the threat of punishment, any evil man could just knock her down and take what he wanted. And because evil men are cowards, there would always be a gang with him, to enjoy his spoils when he was sated. They would threaten people walking by. And, without a person with extensive training in "weaponed" martial arts, or a Master's level of skill in unarmed martial arts, that gang would have no reason to fear. Things would be a little better in the rural areas, with a much higher percentage of hunters and farmers, enclaves would form where the gangs that spread out from the burning cities ( loot and burn go back to the earliest village ) would run into bow and arrow armed sentries, and die. If you are lucky, the new Baron of your area is a wise and freedom loving soul. With skills to help you survive the post apocalyptic world. Because without law and order, the people who work at the power plants, simply could not make it into work. It might take weeks for the majority of the planet to go dark, and there would be enclaves of civilization, held by skilled, desperate, and idealist men & women. And there would be hells of abuse & tyranny. "Bossmen" with gangs of thugs would own a block, then a town. Because it would be the apocalypse. The rules of behavior jump right back to medieval days. Large strong men would rule until they ran into strong, smarter men. Who then rule. It's really that simple. The use of chemical powered weapons, weapons of power independent of your strength, size, or years of discipline, is what made any individual capable of defending themselves, and their loved ones, from those who would take their life. Yes, I personally, have the conceit to dream I could hold my own against a single aggressor, with the weapons at hand. Given a nice stick, a shillelagh, for example, I'd have misplaced and insane confidence against some street thug. 2 even, maybe. 6? Uh............. no. Feel free to brag on your martial arts skills that rival Bruce Lee, and Of course, Chuck Norris could always restart civilization, if he wanted to...  How would you handle a gang of thugs in a gun free universe? | ||
| Sifo |
Yeah, but there would be no shootings! Until someone invented the gun again. | ||
| Aesquire |
25 minutes, tops. | ||
| Rick_a |
Now that we're fully off topic, what makes shooting worse than bludgeoning or exsanguination? In this hypothetical situation, there are ever more dangerous tools that will be used, all the way down to sticks and stones. Will there be limits on assault rocks and the size of stick one can wield? | ||
| Aesquire |
All weapons can and have been banned in other times and places. In Japan swords are controlled. Today, and long ago. In NY sticks are a controlled weapon. Today. Now. | ||
| Aesquire |
To answer your first question.... Guns are "worse" because they make it easier for the weak to survive. Politicians hate that. For the victim, bullets are generally more humane. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
kool whip bowl, surgical tubing, cotton gauze, gas, vaseline, ball bearings, rat poison and a small mason/ bell jar. ..... who needs a gun? | ||
| Aesquire |
Love this guy. He did had a ball when "Hansel & Gretel, Witch Hunters" came out because that movie was full of "steampunk" type weapons. full auto crossbows, etc. ( and surprise, it was a fun movie ) I'm really rusty with an atlatl, and never was very good at it, nearly as rusty with a classic sling, but was once pretty good with one. Not olympic archery good, or Balearic Slinger good, but hit archery targets at 100 yards, and pick off pop cans at 30. Roman Slingers used hard baked clay bullets, teardrop shaped, and often with humorous sayings carved in them. "eat this" etc. David, ( later a King ) in his famous fight with Goliath, seems to have been the inspiration for the classic phrase, "Never bring a knife to a gun fight". http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverBr ingAKnifeToAGunFight |
