| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
There's a reason revolvers are making a comeback. No littering with used brass. Nearly half of concealed carry instruction in NY is "how to interface with police". Police love the term "procedure". ( for various reasons, including as a substitute for judgment ) So asking an Officer "what procedure would you like to use" is a stock phrase. In areas where the police are criminal, and the situation will probably not include a search, keeping your big mouth shut is often the wisest, if not most legal, action. In NY when the "Rockefeller" drug laws went into effect I was taking an AP high school law course. The prediction we made at the time was that making possession of an ounce of narcotics "worse" than shooting the police was going to get a lot of police killed. We were right. more than 150% higher death rate among cops after the law than before. If high school kids can figure it out, makes you wonder about politicians. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilOve rlordList 12. One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation. | ||
| Aesquire |
What will the penalty be for having the file to make a "gun part" with a 3d printer? What is the penalty for knowing technology to make weapons? What will the penalty be for telling the truth? ( hint, ultimately, it is Death ) | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Wasn't there a time when alcohol was illegal?? We have over 80,000 deaths per year from it. | ||
| Fb1 |
I'm thankful I don't live in NYC:  Image source: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/11/robert-fa rago/begins-new-york-sending-gun-confiscation-noti ces/ | ||
| Cityxslicker |
is the government going to issue the SP-101 as a replacement to every gun it confiscates?..... while I like my 5-shotty - it is NOT the only, nor primary option. If they want the guns - let them have them - lead first. | ||
| Fb1 |
This is the first gub on the NYC "grab list" above:  Image source: http://www.armslist.com/posts/974580/tennessee-rif les-for-sale--marlin-model-25n-bolt-action That thing is downright SCARY looking!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I mean, geez-o-pete, you just CAN'T let a (formerly law-abiding) American citizen (2nd Amendment be damned) have a "high-cap" bolt-action .22 lying around. Think of the squirrels!  | ||
| Ducbsa |
It has a bolt action, so it is a sniper rifle and the bullet diameter is the same as those full automatic assault rifles that are used so much for murdering. | ||
| Glitch |
If you like the guns you have, you can keep them... http://allenbwest.com/2013/12/backdoor-gun-control -lead-means-bullets/ | ||
| Glitch |
http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/10 /end-of-an-era-last-us-lead-smelter-to-close-in-de cember.aspx | ||
| Bob_thompson |
From Glitches link on the Allen West site: "Barack Obama and his progressive socialist acolytes are quite savvy at political chess. He is seeking to outflank, envelope, and destroy the Second Amendment. Now it’s our move in 2014." Thanks Glitch and Amen brothers. Vote wisely in 2014-2016. (Message edited by Bob_thompson on December 02, 2013) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Cut Copy and Paste Alert; And now a word from Uncle - just get a shotgun Joe : Twenty years ago, President Clinton signed the Brady Bill into law. That law said that if you want to purchase a firearm from a federally licensed dealer in this country, you have to get a background check first. It was a historic piece of legislation -- one that's kept 1.5 million of the wrong people from getting their hands on a firearm in the last 14 years. But in the wake of the tragedy in Newtown -- a year ago this month -- we know we've got to keep working to build on that progress. And so even after a minority of Senators blocked commonsense legislation to reduce gun violence this spring, we're pushing forward. President Obama laid out 23 executive actions to make sure the Administration took essential and rapid steps to save lives while respecting our Second Amendment rights. And since January, we've completed or made significant progress on all of them. President Obama is keeping his word to make sure our families and communities are safe. See the progress we've made. http://tinyurl.com/le8ayeg Those 23 executive actions are keeping guns out of dangerous hands. They're providing support for communities to hire school resource officers. And they're reducing the stigma around mental illness. Now, it's not enough to take these steps on our own -- we still need Congress to pass comprehensive legislation to reduce gun violence. We need expanded background checks, and we need to create serious penalties for gun trafficking. There is no question that these kinds of measures would protect our kids and keep our communities safer. No parent should ever face the horror of the scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Or a movie theater in Aurora. Or a temple in Oak Creek. Or the campus at Virginia Tech. We've seen too much gun violence as a country. And if there's even one thing we can do to save a life, it is our most sacred duty to try. That's where I stand. And you have my word that the President and I are doing everything we can to make sure no parent loses their child to gun violence. Take a look at the progress we've made: http://www.whitehouse.gov/Reducing-Gun-Violence Thank you, Joe oh damn - I feel safer already ;?/ | ||
| Aesquire |
And if there's even one thing we can do to save a life, it is our most sacred duty to try. I forget who said it, ( and he deserves credit ) but if you take the above at face value, then we can save thousands of lives every year. Close New York City. ( Or D.C., for that matter ) If it saves only ONE LIFE!!!! And they're reducing the stigma around mental illness. Is that the program to declare all who disagree with them mentally ill? Because it seems they want to crank up the stigma. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Cityxslicker: "And now a word from Uncle - just get a shotgun Joe" Now that made me somewhat rethink my trying to get a little stockpile of ammo saved up for the "gravest extreme scenario" Not a bad idea, the shotgun, for a lot of close combat types of defense especially around the homestead. Every sports store I have been in lately has an abundance of shotgun shells available especially steel shot which is required in migratory bird hunting in most gauges especially 12 & 20. Now I don't much like the kick of a 12 ga. anymore but I really like this Mossberg 20 ga. tactical autoloader for about $500.00. My next purchase along with a case of #4 buck.:  (Message edited by Bob_thompson on December 03, 2013) | ||
| Glitch |
So ••••••• sad http://my.barackobama.com/Host-a-Newtown-Anniversa ry-Event. By hosting a Newtown Anniversary event, you are joining thousands of Americans across the country as we remember the tragic events that took place at Sandy Hook Elementary School one year ago. Supporters will be gathering at events in communities across the country, with partner organizations, to pay tribute to the 26 victims and call on Congress to finally take action to make our communities safer. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
glitch - surprised you didnt post other links regarding the smelter shutting down -how its been planned for years, they didnt want to pay to run their business in an environmentally friendly way -and how several ammo manufacturers have already stated this will not affect this one single bit people up in arms over the smelter closed down...its stupid, youre over-reacting | ||
| Oldog |
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed, The right of SOME people to be foolish shall also not be infringed...... Prayers for the victims, scorn for the lefties an armed guard would have prevented that, but its too complicated for some to understand... | ||
| Oldog |
people up in arms over the smelter closed down... The EPA has been flexing its muscles lately but your assertion is correct, its been in the works for years, none the less its a good idea to keep an eye on this government as they seem to be lawless. youre over-reacting I am acquainted with Glitch to borrow a phrase " that is an inaccurate statement" Mr Owens, watch whats going on around you.. we have a secret police department (DHS) armed to the teeth, and more departments are getting armed, EPA, DHHS( correct me here city ) FEMA..., Police departments are being issued combat equipment... EPA showed up at a gold mine in Alaska with Armed & Armored persons.... why ? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
http://news.yahoo.com/column-militarization-u-poli ce-forces-175828669.html that should get you started, along with http://patriotupdate.com/articles/more-government- agencies-stocking-up-on-ammo-tactical-gear/ It would probably be a shorter list of agencies that are NOT receiving ammo and up armored vehicles, than the ones that are.... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Old - Im not saying that we can, or should, trust the government (it is a shame we're at that point, but it is what it is) But several companies have come out and stated that this will have no effect on them Also, while the EPA might be heavy handed, I think that, at times, it is with good intentions - there were many complaints of local residents that were having health issues - this is when the gov needs to step in and try to fix the problem. as for the showing up at a gold mine with armed security - seems overkill for sure | ||
| Sifo |
-how its been planned for years, they didnt want to pay to run their business in an environmentally friendly way To be fair, yes this was in the works for years. Also to be fair, it's not that they didn't want to be environmentally friendly. It's that it's not possible to be environmentally friendly as defined by the EPA and stay in business. You don't just shut down a plant simply because you don't want to be environmentally friendly. So what's the long term effect of this policy? Beyond just bullets. Does the demand for new lead supplies in the US simply stop? I don't think so. What it does mean is that our supply of new lead will come from countries with virtually zero concern about the environment. And with lead being quite heavy, and expensive to ship, costs will go up dramatically. This hurts consumers and the economy as a whole, as well as the worlds environment. Smart policy? | ||
| Glitch |
its stupid, youre over-reacting I've been accused of worse. Thanks Jim. What a lot of people tend to forget, ignore, or might possibly be ignorant of, it the fact that I don't trust big government, no matter the "party" in charge at the moment. Mr. Bush, kept a lot of what's gotten worse going. He also passed legislation that took a lot of our rights away. I remember saying the Patriot Act was a bad thing. I do not remember Mr. Bush ever vetoing ANY bill. Mr. Obama is even worse in my opinion. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2013/12/04/ I think that, at times, it is with good intentions.... Remind me, what road was paved that way? Im not saying that we can, or should, trust the government (it is a shame we're at that point, but it is what it is) but that's always been true. You don't trust kings, they have their own agenda. The Founding Fathers didn't trust government, with good reason. It's always been a shame, and "at that point" is pretty variable. If you were Mormon back in the 19th century the Government wasn't all that friendly, either. Neither were the neighbors. In several states. If you're Native American ( your ancestors immigrated from Asia, mostly, and quite some time before the Vikings arrived ) the government has often been not trustworthy. As in massacres, death marches, and genocide. Today, in most of the planet, the "government" is not at all trustworthy. We, here, were an exception, mostly, for quite some time. The last century of religious zealotry by the neo-Marxists has greatly eroded that. -and how several ammo manufacturers have already stated this will not affect this one single bit what did you expect them to say? "Oh, Crap! this is going to make all your ammunition more expensive"..... ???? As long as it's legal to make ammunition, they'll make it, no matter what metallurgic hoops they have to jump through. Tungsten-iron nano particle, depleted Uranium, whatever. We have used lead for 500 years because it's heavy, it's cheap, and it's not all that useful except for specialized uses. Many are now obsolete, or hazardous. Stain glass work, batteries, paint, fishing sinkers, etc. Some will remain as hobby & specialty work, ( I have friends that do Stained Glass ) others will just not be done, ( lead based paint ) others are going away because of junk science. ( fishing sinkers ) I often joke the biggest problem with Plutonium is eventually it's going to be a deadly poison....lead. Glitch, I remember Bush the Younger's first Veto. ( I could be wrong on this, so please correct me ) He vetoed a bill that would have allowed slavery by selling human embryos. This caught a lot of flack, as it was supposed to restrict stem cell research, which Bush was the first to Fund. It's still a moral, ethical, and legal problem we have not properly addressed. ( cloning, and selling humans ) As far as stopping Congress from spending money, or doing unconstitutional things...... Bush didn't veto diddle. He was 5 years into his 2 terms before he vetoed slavery. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
keep in mind, this was the last US based primary lead smelter there are other smelters left in America | ||
| Glitch |
It's still another plant, with jobs, that has been closed due to government action. It's not what they produced necessarily, at a basic level, the Obama administration has killed more jobs. The bonus to him and his kind are that they're one step closer to their agenda. What Newtown Anniversary Party are you attending, or are you throwing one of your own? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
And now for something completely different.... http://tinyurl.com/nbqmx7b | ||
| Reepicheep |
Hybrid, if the EPA was science driven, then there would be less concerned. But the EPA has (particularly under Democratic administrations) become agenda driven. This is a chronic problem with the whole environmental movement. Conservatives are environmentalists that do math.  You notice ducks and deer aren't an endangered species... fat white wealthy conservative Americans have probably quadrupled the deer North American deer population over what Native American Indians ever managed. | ||
| Sifo |
fat white wealthy conservative Americans have probably quadrupled the deer North American deer population over what Native American Indians ever managed. That may be true, I don't know. The wolves are pretty pissed off with the situation though. The EPA is incredibly short sighted. Just look at the push for CFL light bulbs when development of far superior LED lighting is just a few years behind in development. It was never a question of IF LED lighting would be viable. This was simply pushing an agenda forward on a political timeline. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Exactly Sifo... that is the perfect example. CFL's are (literally) creating toxic waste sites in living rooms across America, and wasting a ton of time and money for the American public. I bet if we took 1/4 of the money wasted on CFL's and invested it in LED research, we could have had $5 100 watt LED bulbs with 15 year lifespans already. Without bathing our families in mercury aerosol clouds. The wolves had it coming. They would have done the same to us if they had worked out the thumb thing  | ||
| Sifo |
I feel lucky to have thumbs. I tried CFLs in our outdoor lighting, probably about 7 years ago. It was an expensive disaster. 9 bulbs total. I think 3 didn't work right from the start. Other's failed very early. They all failed to light when it was really cold out. They all got tossed early. About a year ago I installed LED lights in those same fixtures. Not a single failure so far, far less energy than CFLs and the light looks just like a incandescent bulb. When I first got them, I installed a single one and had my wife try to guess which one at night when light. She had no clue. The only tip off is that the light source is about 1/2 inch higher than from the incandescent bulbs. Except for the high initial price, I couldn't be happier. With zero failures so far, I'm confident that they will be a good long term investment. Government is still pushing CFLs. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I spent $100 for 10 60 watt equivelent LED bulbs last Christmas, they have been great so far. Price is almost there, the only drawback left is the color, it's still a bit on the blue / white side, and some people like the yellow that tungsten puts out. |
