| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
The left complains that the right offers no solutions, but seriously, the left created the current mess. So what ideas do you have to fix it? Just wondering. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Single Payer, of course! Quite possibly the original intent of our betters who initiated this mess in the first place. | ||
| Britchri10 |
I dunno if I'm on the left or not but I would agree w/Ducbsa: Single payer, tax funded scheme to provide the equivalency of Medicare for all. Allow insurance companies to offer private health insurance as an alternative to any tax funded scheme but not allow individuals or groups to opt out of paying the taxes that fund the single payer scheme. + Points: Everyone is automatically covered for all health related issues regardless of income. Everyone contributes through taxation. Everyone saves the cost of private insurance. - points: Major job losses at insurance companies as the private health insurance market contracts. Expansion of Government offices necessary to deal w/a single payer scheme. (increased costs & taxation) Loss of "exceptional" hospitals who may decide to opt out of a Government funded scheme & remain "private". Exodus of Doctors as they opt out to maintain their income by only serving "private" patients. Lower number of individuals entering the workplace as doctors because of lower income expectations Vs the high cost of getting the appropriate education. I'm sure there are many more +'s & -'s but these are just off the top of my head. I work in Healthcare Administration & can only say that the ACA will benefit my institution. (50%+ of our patients are indigent/unfunded.) However, ACA will not benefit our immediate competitors as much as 85%+ of their patients are funded/insured. All the above is "IMHO". Please don't cherry pick something I have said and use it as a stick to beat me with  I believe that this is where the USA is headed but it will be a long, long, hard journey. I also believe that this is what the "Left" want to see happen. Apologies for the length of the post. Chris C | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/11/21/ russell-simmons-obamacare-saved-millions-already It's not Soviet medicine yet, true, but it's already saved over 50 billion people, so it's nearly perfect. We can save a lot of bureaucracy by making "Single payer" a simple donation to Obama.com, then Obama will decree your health care to be free. Seems to work for him. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I don't know much except my personal experience. When I was on unemployment for 2 yrs, I did not have HealthCare, I found a clinic with doctors and nurses, they had a dentist too. They took anyone in and after proof of income, based the cost on your income. I had to pay only about 30% and was billed for that. This was a basic family doctor that could give most prescriptions. If I needed a blood work or xrays I would have to go to my local hospital outpatient and pay them separately. But most hospitals have something called charity care where they do the same thing and base cost on your income. I know the hospital ends up eating most of the cost but I get what I need, (quality healthcare) This has been in place for years. (In jersey anyways) And when I am working FT again, I will be paying for the extra cost like everyone else. Healthcare is super complicated. Now 51 years old and never had great health insurance. My mom took care of me good until I moved out,... from 21-44 I had no insurance and never needed it. I broke a bone here and there, got an ER bill and paid that off over time..., got into a couple car accidents but my auto insurance covered those..., catch a cold/fever and go to CVS, after 44 I had some issues and had to see family doctor, (it was very strange to have a health care card in my wallet) 6 months later I was fine. Then while working part-time at 49 got cancer and would have gone thru hoops to get charity care from a good Cancer hospital and I would have willingly. But Obamacare had a law for part-time workers to get insurance thru their employers,.. I paid more than everyone else for it... "the less hours I worked per week, the more money they took out". If I worked a good 30+ hours it cost me 40-60 buks... but if I only worked 10-20 hours..the price jumped to 90-110 per week. That's 1/2 that's paycheck. BUT...that's what I had to do. AND...if I did not have this insurance... I still would have gotten the same care thru charity care but would be paying ALOT more over time and it would probably have taken longer to be cancer free. I guess I can thank Obamacare for something. Back on topic: I once had an idea for drivers licenses... where once you got one... your yearly fees would cover the basic liability insurance requirements for vehicle ownership. If you chose to supplement that with better/more coverage for your vehicle, you had the choice to buy that as well. (financed vehicles would still be mandatory) So...basically, everyone with a DL would have basic liability just by possessing a DL. Once I pay off my car or buy some junker... I would only need to register it, no insurance required because it is already automatically covered. Insurance companies would offer better deals for comp/collision/theft coverage and most would stay in business. Can't we use that same principle with health insurance? I know it's way more complicated, babies, kids, elderly... none working people need to be covered somehow. If we had basic coverage, (family doctor and partial prescriptions and some catastrophic included) that be the basic coverage for the yearly fee/tax. what would be good number for that to be?? 50.00, 75.00 100.00 I think it should be cheap.. like 25.00-50.00 max per month for everyone for basic coverage. And if you need more coverage then you have the choice to pay more for more/better coverage. My 2.5 cents | ||
| Ducbsa |
Sorry that I wasn't more obvious, but my Single Payer suggestion was completely sarcastic. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Seems to me "the left" .... wants to give everyone the exact same choices that an unborn baby has. | ||
| Britchri10 |
I actually realized that sarcasm was implicit in your comment.  However, I believe it's really close to the mark re: the intentions of the ACA. ACA seems to be "built to fail" leaving single payer as the only workable solution from the Left POV. (I do wish there was a sarcasm emoticon on this board) Chris C | ||
| Teeps |
As the song goes: "more taxes; will solve everything! And, the band plays on...." | ||
| Brumbear |
it would be hard choices and a lot of folks wouldn't want to give up what they have already but they probably don't see whats coming | ||
| Britchri10 |
Thing is: despite the promises, how many are having to give up what they have already under ACA?. All the talk of re-in statement of non-qualifying policies is just that ATM, talk. Wait & see (at your peril). USA is going single payer at some undefined point in the future if the current administration (& what follows) get their way. Chris C | ||
| Aesquire |
Dubsca, yes, I got the sarcasm. Unfortunately, according to the folk who pushed Obamacare, the purpose of Obamacare is to destroy the existing system. HAD a youtube clip of one of the Presiden't minions giving a speech while Obamacare was in the process of being passed, or shortly after, at a leftist meeting. ( SEIU, CPUSA, or some other ) ( pretty sure quote) "They say that Obamacare will destroy private insurance. ( pause for effect ) And They Were Right!" Search gets me hundreds of pages of more modern bitching...and I give up. It's short and I've posted it elsewhere... What it looks like is a tactic often used, where you ruin a situation and cry out for........"A firm Hand" or "A Bold Leader" or "Fast Action"......to solve the crisis. Since this Regime's motto is "never let a crisis go to waste", this is believable. The difference between exploiting a natural crisis and creating one to exploit is a moral issue, and one well worth discussion. Bad news is Morals aren't that evident, no matter which Party you look at. So, I believe it's all a ploy to get their way, like everything else these self important ego freak public servants has done since the caves. Seriously, this tactic ( ruin something and get power to "save the people" ) is classic Greek Democracy. Look at the Pelopennesian war..... or a bit less obscure, look at the Communist Revolution and the methods used to take power, "for the duration of the emergency". Or every other Dr. Who plot.  Or, that could be wrong. It could be that this is actually the very best they can do to achieve their stated goals. And they really suck at it. Works out the same. Single payer is the stated goal. Sucks to be us, is the middle part. | ||
| Pwnzor |
How can you fix something that is already perfect the way it is? My employer has now told us we are going to actually be keeping our health care plans, exactly as they were... ...except for one very small detail. Our premiums go up exactly 100% and the employer contribution goes up by 130% for the 2nd tier plan, and 175% for those of us on the 1st tier or "multi-choice" plan. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
How does a left socialist all consuming government 'fix' things..... Holodomor go look it up. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/USSR.FIG1.4.GIF http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.FIG1.2.GIF I'm of the opinion that the author has seriously underestimated the PRC's toll. He has updated these numbers by 38,000,000 for Mao's deliberate famine from 1958-62, but I think he's missing a lot. No, more than that. It's not like China admits to killing ANYBODY, EVER, even when it's on tv. (It's not like the Obama Regime admits to lies to ANYBODY, EVER, even when it's on tv. ) Yet China's Masters murder their own people in piles, every day. Skipping mandatory abortions, I mean if you try to skip your mandatory abortion you die. Having bible studies in your apartment? Death. Embarrass the Regime with blatant corruption and lack the connections to make it go away? Death. My "favorite" ( sarcasm ) part of the PRC's boot on the face of mankind forever campaign is that when you are executed, your family gets a bill for the bullet they put in the back of your head. It's quite the rub it in tactic to demonstrate utter helplessness. Going from historical/contemporary to current local.... Charles Krauthammer claims that only the Death panels will save the American Economy, but keeping Socialized Medicine Costs down. And he's right! He's also a rabid environmentalist, since "saving the Earth" gives you the power to slay your enemies with moral conviction. There's a lot of cross fertilization of serious mental illness on the left. | ||
| Sifo |
Disappointing that we don't hear more from the BO supporters when asked a serious question. Still, a couple not from the right wing provided some input. Thanks for that. So it seems that we are all in agreement that the left would seek a single payer system as the fix for the crap they are forcing upon us. I agree myself. I also agree that this was designed to fail. It seemed so from the start, and we are getting some real info that they knew it would fail right from the start. In other words, ObamaCare really is a Trojan Horse piece of legislation, rammed through on lies and deceit. This isn't how a democracy survives. Now, for the next question. How are those who have been opposed to this, but are now victims of these lies and deceit expected to respond? Are we really expected to quietly follow the "rules of a democracy"? | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Exemptive Class; NON- Present. I like shooting longer ranges than CQB anyways. Enjoy the show. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Of course it will all be the republicans fault, especially around November. |
