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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/5-pointz-finis hed-article-1.1521660

Painting, by the building's owner, over the "art" is called genocide, and ironically, "graffiti" by the "Urban Artists" which is doublespeak for "vandals". The owner let them paint his building for a decade, and now that he wants it back, he's the bully. They have no respect for private property. What twisted world do they live in where they believe they are in the right?
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Please excuse (or possibly correct) the typo in the thread title.
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Fahren
Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm not a lawyer, but it could be a case of adverse possession. Depends on whether the owner explicitly gave them (written) permission to use the building.

If he did, that permission can be taken back. If he let them actively and openly and hostilely use the space (of the walls), they may have a case to continued rights to use it.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 01:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Article says he let them do it, but now that he's sold the building, it has to stop. The new owners are tearing it down to put up apartments.

My objection is to the attitude of the vandals. They appear to believe that the building belonged to them since they had been defacing it for so long.
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Court
Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The building has affectionately been known as the "College of Graffiti". I will be in that area all night tonight working on a current project I'm creating. I'll have to check it out.












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Bluzm2
Posted on Saturday, November 23, 2013 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Court, I really like the last one.
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86129squids
Posted on Saturday, November 23, 2013 - 02:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I read a news piece a couple of days ago about all this- the buildings are slated for demolition, and the owner who genuinely loved and appreciated the graffiti just couldn't bear to see the teardown with all the artwork going down too...

I'm willing to bet that there are tons of pictures taken over the years of all the graffiti, and that it's possible to piece together an historical document to remember them.

I've gotten into the habit of watching closely whenever a train rolls by, and I'm regularly impressed by what I see- the use of color, scale and depth using basically just spraypaint is astounding. Leaving aside any arguments about vandalism or lawbreaking, there are some seriously talented artists out there. I will say that whenever I see a "tag" by some punk with a Sharpie, or simply a monochrome "tag" on public space, I'm not impressed or pleased... but there's something more pleasing, even poetic about the things one sees passing by on an otherwise boring and ugly train.

Court- as a lover of the image and the environs of the greater NY area, what's your take on all this?
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