| Author | Message | ||
     Forerunner |
Damnit. Means I'll have to buy the White Album all over again... | ||
| Froggy |
From what I've been told, that is a nope. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Maybe someone will show up in WV with one... | ||
| Hughlysses |
I imagine there are qualified suppliers in the U.S. that could provide all the engine parts to EBR specs for assembly by EBR. At any rate, however they're getting put together, it's very cool that it's a true EBR engine now. Mark, I was kind of hoping the EBR demo ride truck would show up at our meet in Little Switzerland this Saturday.  | ||
| Xb1125r |
I am glad that it looks like white will be one of their color options. i always loved the the artic white with blue, great color combo. i do se the light signals are going on the cheaper side then the 1125r with the led lights, but as long as it works is fine. | ||
| Froggy |
They appear the be the same (if not very similar) signals the 2010 XB/1125 had.  | ||
| Strokizator |
I was going to quote Court but his post disappeared. It would seem to me that with the talent they've assembled and the global resources at their disposal, they won't be making bikes for the average guy. Heck, I aspire to be average. | ||
| Oldog |
From what I've been told, that is a nope. Really? Kinda surprised, the tools and suppliers to (Rotax)exist, I presume that they make some of the items, why re-source the parts? is the engine that different from the helicon? It sure looks like the helicon } | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I wonder if they bought the tooling? In this age of computer controlled machine shops, I wonder if there IS tooling. I suppose they could make a helicon engine if they could find someone to make the castings for them. I am so glad to see stuff moving forward. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
a very wise and enthusiastic man once said.... People are so consumed with watching the wrong door . . . expecting EBR to simply be a revived Buell Motorcycle Company. What if, from among the industry's very best, you could cull the top 15% . . . assemble a group where each and every person is the best in the world in their respective field. What if you were no longer constrained in terms of what you could do and who your vendors could be? What if world class were your minimum acceptable threshold? What if you were able to, by leveraging your engineering expertise, imagine, create and operate a business model that would allow plenty of time to get things right while you created a business that was not subject to the ups and downs of the moto-marketplace. It's the last inning . . . you get to take everything you know to the plate . . . .you get to pick from the best all-star players that have ever played the game and you are unconstrained . . you have the power to change things. Would you simply build a new Uly? Would you subject your product to the forces of dealers beyond your direct control? You own the table . . . you own the chips and you own the entire frickin' casino. . . .this time you play to win. quote:“Do or do not... there is no try.” I'm watching the whole building... town... state... country.... and saving my pennies | ||
| Oldog |
It makes some sense to me that if say the helicon engine parts are what they want, Unless the quality is not up to snuff that rotax could be a supplier ( I presume that they make them ) Nate, Yes tooling is still required to make the crankshaft for example either a mold ( if cast ) or a forging die ( if forged ) is still required. the engine cases are typically die cast or investment cast Vs sand cast in all cases tools to make the molds or the casting dies are tools any and all plastic parts there are molds. These are part of the costs to produce the machine, beyond the cost of raw materials or purchased items ( like tires ) They are averaged out across the expected life of the tool and added to each bike or engine etc.... ( our on board engineers know this well ) My original thought for keeping the cost of the new line of mass produced bikes down would be to use existing tools and parts The Japanese manufacturers do this IF the parts met ebr standards, the 1125 gearbox works well, why add the cost to design and tool up another one to the price that was what drove my comment We have to admit its exciting to see the new bikes taking shape, It would also be nice if there were enough common items to help keep the 1125 models on the road, HD does not care and in a few years from now the 1125 populations will probably start thinning as critical parts become un available I hope that no one sees EBR as a revised Buell MC Co, I don't GO EBR ! | ||
| Deanh8 |
At what point is the engine that was originally designed pre-2007 going to be a dated platform? | ||
| Gschuette |
Well if the XB and Sportster are any guide, the Helicon should have a few more decades left in it. | ||
| Prior |
They're running eDaqs... That's all I've got to add. | ||
| Deanh8 |
Its already showing its age in ama racing IMO | ||
| Oldog |
At what point is the engine that was originally designed pre-2007 going to be a dated platform? the Japanese still use the DOHC IL4 in numerous variations for their non crusier product. Case IN point the Suzuki bandit motors are Similar to the earlier gixxers in many ways I would think that EBR's motor with adjustments will be great for the future. I do believe that its basically the helicon with some alterations ( like the alternator ) } | ||
| Deanh8 |
Its a great engine but to compete with the likes of yamaha, ducati, and such who update and completely redesign their engines every few years with the latest technology. It may be hard to stay competitive in racing. if the helicon engine was released in 2008 it had to have been going through R&D up around 2004-2005??, its coming up on being 10 years old already. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Hmmm, the EBR dealer site, http://www.ebrdealer.info won't come up. Maybe it's being updated?  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
There are some innovative dealer alternatives that are out there. The demo fleet and roaming truck with a 'showroom' kiosk with token floor presence. The pairing to upscale high end auto shops The track site 'dealer' boutique Of course internet order Factory direct pick up and ride home option (Corvette really capitalized on this model) Fleet purchases - depending on model composition.... hell if there can be a patrol Busa - why not an EBR ? Corporate branded purchases - namely casinos - stay away from the theme bike branded monsters ala Orange County 'Lap around America' Endurance Tour Hell - I got a ton of them. Anybody need a moto - sales guy that HATES health care !?!!?!?! (provided the FED don't kill the dollar, we are back on track in two - standard economic track variance - has been since 1928: all bets are off if this thing goes Kollective under the O; then I think we are all looking for a Galt solution) and if there is a dirty 450 Scrambler, you will have to pry me off of the damn thing with a crow bar. | ||
| Alfau |
A Tail is not what I expected. | ||
| Nik |
http://www.erikbuellracing.com/find-your-dealer/ Is this new? | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ I believe it is. www.ebrdealer.info is back up, but it has not been updated to include the dealer info above. | ||
| Hughlysses |
And the Phantom Court strikes again!  | ||
| Nik |
Hmm doesn't appear to be linked to the main EBR site yet. Google found it when I searched for "european cycle sports ebr" since I'd seen a mention somewhere of them doing preorders. (Message edited by Nik on July 25, 2013) | ||
| Alfau |
Find your Fierce Indapendance in INDIA ? | ||
| M1combat |
"Its a great engine but to compete with the likes of yamaha, ducati, and such who update and completely redesign their engines every few years with the latest technology." What? What was the last "great innovation to come from any of them in an engine? Cross plane cranks? The rest is just iterative design that pulls out just a hair more power every year... Same thing as Buell though Buell arguably put more innovation on the table than anyone else in at least the last ten or so years. I'm not even sure that's arguable... You really think they just "clean sheet" the whole thing every couple years? That would be dumb. They all just tweak what they have year after year and every once in a while do something a bit more revolutionary like a cross plane crank or desmo valve systems (which aren't really better than the Helicon system, especially when you add the single cam chain with the other cam being driven by a gear). You really think the engines are pretty much the same as they were when the Helicon was debuted? You think they've changed less than what the big manufacturers have? (Message edited by M1Combat on July 26, 2013) | ||
| Alfau |
What was the last "great innovation to come from any of them in an engine? Worlds foremost in Reliability ! Without reliability you may as well stop production. | ||
| Fast1075 |
Compared to some engines, the development of the Helicon based engine is still in it's infancy. One example is the smallblock Chevy engine which was first built in 1955. All hail Zora Arkus Duntov! The Suzuki GS1100/1150 engine that absolutely dominated drag racing until politics brought the 160 cubic in V-twins into the game. EBR hasn't yet addressed the rule change that allows better cams in Superbike. (at least that is the rumor). It will be tough to compete against 4 cylinder engines power wise unless the engine is modified to turn quite a bit more rpm, or a way found to greatly increase pumping efficiency. It is possible that the "new engine" will have a cylinder head redesign to address some of those issues. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Let's also not lose sight of people. How many work for Honkawazuki? How many work for EBR? (And for inspiration...how many worked for EBR last year compared to this year?). Patience, grasshopper...everybody starts somewhere, and our boys (and girls) in ET are starting in a pretty strong position... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"How many work for Honkawazuki? " To my knowledge - zero. In fact I cant find anything on that brand of bikes....  |
