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     Hybridmomentspass |
i agree about the 'set up' though Cecil this whole situation has been ridiculous the fact that he was free for so long before the local deputies were forced to charge him with something is strike 1 strike 2 is the bias in the media strike 3 is the bias in the courtroom - the judge has made up her mind on this. sad thing is that many americans have taken this bait, they KNOW that TM was a helpless little boy like the pictures we first saw (from when he was a decade younger,not suspended from school) that was hunted by a racist WHITE guy (just like we have a WHITE president, am i right?) in his own backyard (it wasnt). All he was trying to do was eat skittles...and meat scarf Precious. | ||
| Oldog |
so he assaulted Zimmerman to begin the altercation? Or is this what you THINK happened Forensic evidence from the trial, martins hands were freshly injured at the time of his death suggesting that he was hitting zim, no such injuries to zim's hands, not counting the other injuries that he zim suffered, (his nose broke it's self? he bashed his own head on the ground?) what about the eye witness that glimpsed martin on top of zim? What conclusion can you draw? Please explain how and why the original statement is wrong? martin by all accounts, was an athlete and had time to flee, had eluded zim, had surprised and then confronted him. In that he wound up on top of zim its likely that he struck first, please prove me wrong..... }so as long as youre on bottom, youre not doing anything wrong - i'll remember that next time i want to rape someone... your rape assertion is absurd. So zim lies on the ground?, and says to martin smash my face?, Oh wait several people Identified the voice crying for help as zims...... Martin as a child is absurd, he stood 6' tall and weighed over 150 lbs, had martin survived he would have been tried for assault as an adult....... glad you agree with me on the the nature of the trial, I hope that you never have to defend yourself, home or family against an aggressor, Only then be subject to this kind of mistreatment and violation of your rights, This case went to trial for many wrong reasons. I'm not a lawyer but the biases on both sides are obvious and destructive, those who stir the community ( or did so in the past ) are despicable. If Martin had gone on his way he would not be dead, What was going thru martins mind only GOD knows.. I don't condone zims action but i dont find murder or manslaughter in them, he was attacked His violation of the watch rules, means that martins' people can sue him as OJ was sued after being acquitted for murder. I bet he will pay for his poor judgment if acquitted. But hey what do I know i am just a dolt when it come to the finer technicalities of the legal system, much of this mess has little to do with "right and wrong" sides the jury is still out... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"Forensic evidence from the trial, martins hands were freshly injured at the time of his death suggesting that he was hitting zim, no such injuries to zim's hands, not counting the other injuries that he zim suffered, (his nose broke it's self? he bashed his own head on the ground?) what about the eye witness that glimpsed martin on top of zim? What conclusion can you draw? Please explain how and why the original statement is wrong? martin by all accounts, was an athlete and had time to flee, had eluded zim, had surprised and then confronted him. In that he wound up on top of zim its likely that he struck first, please prove me wrong..... " First - im not doubting that Martin struck Zimmerman - his face (GZ) is proof of that. BUT that doesnt mean that GZ didnt touch him first or start the altercation, only that Martin hit him pretty dang hard, likely multiple times. Zimmermans lack of injuries to the hand just proves he didnt PUNCH Martin. Maybe he smacked him? Maybe he grabbed him? Eye witness saw Martin on top of Zimmerman....so he MUST have started it? The person who throws the first punch isnt always the one that winds up on top. Again, without seeing the whole event, WHO KNOWS (besides GZ and TM). I dont know what happened that night, and neither does anyone else on here, so to assume that Martin instigated the event because he was on top, to me, is silly. Tell me if you think Im wrong in my logic here. It is just im not quick to assume that Martin started it because he punched Zimmerman/broke his nose/got on top of him/etc. That said - according to information presented in the trial - Martin definitely had time to seek refuge in his future-mother-in-laws home. That is based on 911 phone records and size of community (distance from the mail boxes to where she lived etc). Precious likely knows more about what happened that night but wont spill the beans (lord knows if it were LITERAL beans she'd be eating that up quick!). Heck, NSA probably knows more with all of the tapping they do on cell phones lol (i shouldnt laugh at that, its a sad thing they are doing) | ||
| Sifo |
Trolling again? Anyway, let's not forget that Zimmerman had already been talking to the police and was arranging to meet them. This is absolute fact. Let's not forget the person who this thread was started about, said in early deposition that TM was going to go after GZ and she told him to just run, but he ignored her pleas. This is absolute fact. This may not be absolute proof of who started the physical altercation, but it provides a damn strong bias that matches with GZ's story as well as physical evidence and witness testimony. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
trolling? or just not agreeing with you? tell me where I am wrong in my statements. As for her testimony - you really believe her? She has changed her story several times and is not credible. | ||
| Blake |
Idiocy. >>> First - im not doubting that Martin struck Zimmerman - his face (GZ) is proof of that. BUT that doesnt mean that GZ didnt touch him first or start the altercation, only that Martin hit him pretty dang hard, likely multiple times. The trial is to determine if, beyond any reasonable doubt, the evidence shows that George Zimmerman did not act in self defense, and had no reasonable justification for shooting young Trayvon Williams. The doubt on those counts is immeasurable, darn near conclusive. He can darn near prove innocence. All your what-if imagining is entirely irrelevant. We don't convict people on any plausible scenario. We require proof that is beyond doubting by reasonable people. | ||
| Fb1 |
Zimmerman Closing Analysis – O’Mara: No Evidence of Guilt; Guy: Martin Deserves the Truth Posted by Andrew Branca Friday, July 12, 2013 at 9:02 pm http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/zimmerman-clo sing-analysis-omara-no-evidence-of-guilt-guy-marti n-deserves-the-truth/ | ||
| Sifo |
tell me where I am wrong in my statements. I think it begins here... i've not followed the trial a whole lot | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"All your what-if imagining is entirely irrelevant. We don't convict people on any plausible scenario. We require proof that is beyond doubting by reasonable people." Oh Blake, I just love when you post in a thread, you always bring so much delight to everything! I LOVE how youre going to bash me for saying what MIGHT have happened and not say a ••••••• thing to the dumbasses stating what happened (well, their assumption, since they werent there) Its typical Blake - call out the people you dont like no matter how double-standard it is. "I think it begins here... " Sure, youre right. I havent followed it a lot as it doesnt alter my life a bit (two jokers down in florida messing with other has no bearing on me) BUT that doesnt change the fact that some jokers in this thread are stating how Martin started this and Martin did that first or whatever and yet we do not know. Then certain ones start with the 'oh youre just trolling' crap because I call you out on the fact that you dont know what happened. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
the stars are a warning if I don't behave myself by the way (Message edited by Glitch on July 13, 2013) | ||
| Glitch |
And to think you were trying to call something racist in another thread trying to call attention to a post you felt was offensive, yet you go out of your way to be offensive here... Or You're just trolling... | ||
| Fb1 |
State Attorney Angela Corey fires information techonology director who raised concerns in Trayvon Martin case David Bauerlein - Florida Times-Union July 13, 2013
Source: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-07-13/stor y/state-attorney-angela-corey-fires-information-te chonology-director-who | ||
| Sifo |
It's a funny thing when a person who is willfully ignorant on a subject schools others on what they "don't know" about the subject. This is exactly what the anti-gun people do too. | ||
| Thumper74 |
Hybrid... I have no comment on the admin or anything. I've met a couple of them and they're all stand up guys. Two jokers in Florida can heavily influence how anyone else in the country can be treated in a situation like this. For example: By most counts this trial should never had happened. The police determined that it was a 'good shoot' and did not press charges. The police chief was taken out of office and replaced. There was pressure on the police department, prosecutors, etc. to file charges. The DOJ provided funds and protestors. Anyone else could be in the circus. I'm hoping that he is found not guilty (and genuinely is...), he gets his gun back, he moves, and this circus is cause for change in future cases of this nature. Additionally, I have a CCW and hope I never, ever have to shoot someone. If I do, I pray that my decision was sound and this does not happen to me. | ||
| Oldog |
ive not followed the trial a whole lot, was unaware that they determined, without a doubt, that Martin instigated the situation I have been following the trial closley on multiple fronts, I think that the others have further explained the points so I will skip it. Martin had a choice to make and he chose to "play the thugg" he was quoted as saying "you have a problem now" to zim when the confrontation started. who assaulted who? zim defended himself, he was in reasonable fear of serious injury or death AND could not escape martin. I expect an acquittal, and a lengthy civil suit to follow Mr.Owens part of my concern and anger over this trial is that the rules of law, are being ignored, bent, and broken. Things are being done to fit a twisted emotional popular "outrage" whipped up by men (Jackson / Sharpton ) who are all about themselves, and do not benifit the people of that community, Have minorities suffered at the hands of the majority?, yes! This fact has nothing to do with the case but some are using it to stir up trouble for their own ends. If the people of sanford have problems with the local police they should contact the state of florida to complain. I expect that it would get attention. } | ||
| Sifo |
Mr.Owens part of my concern and anger over this trial is that the rules of law, are being ignored, bent, and broken. Things are being done to fit a twisted emotional popular "outrage" whipped up by men (Jackson / Sharpton ) who are all about themselves, and do not benifit the people of that community, This is all part of that "social justice" that we have heard so much about in the past 5 or so years. Expect more of it. | ||
| Sifo |
Also all this rattling on about Zimmerman proving that he didn't provoke the confrontation is absolutely backwards. It is up to the government to prove that the accused did something, not the accused to prove that they didn't. What is lacking is proof of his guilt. Meanwhile the government is going after the people who tried to ensure that the government follow the law in prosecuting Zimmerman. This stuff is really getting out of control. IT director who raised questions about Zimmerman case is fired | ||
| Oldog |
Well the jury is asking for clarification of the manslaughter instructions. I am puzzled, and disturbed.. | ||
| Sifo |
Hopefully the clarification is that it isn't manslaughter if it's in self defense. | ||
| Oldog |
True "Transparency" is wonderful I hope that its better than the "confirmation" from the NTSB of the pilot names in the plane crash last week | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I hope they don't come back with a verdict until Monday.... morning | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
here we go.... | ||
| Oldog |
just caught it Fox is showing a verdict has been reached on their web site banner ( not what it is ) baah .. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
watching the stream live http://live.foxnews.com/ | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
not guilty let the shit hit the fan | ||
| Xdigitalx |
what did he hand his lawyer who then shoved into his pocket?? | ||
| Oldog |
NOT GUILTY | ||
| Rich |
Hope they gave him his gun back | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I saw on msnbc talk news that if he is no guilty,... it would open the door to 1,000's of crazies with guns who will shoot to defend themselves for whatever reason they see fit!!!! | ||
| Xdigitalx |
Glad it's over. |
