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Strokizator
| | Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 04:29 pm: | 
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Next year? I figured it would be out sooner than that. Just as washing my car has been known to cause it to rain, or that buying a computer will mean that the next generation will be introduced next week, the purchase of my new motorcycle then ought to bring about the announcement of new EBR models.
No doubt when they eventually do come out I'll be very interested but I needed something in the interim. BTW, the new FJR is OK. |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 04:54 pm: |
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2014 model. Perhaps they'll be released in 2013. That's the way it works for most manufacturers.
(Message edited by hootowl on May 16, 2013) |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 04:56 pm: |
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Yea, who knows when the interview was done- could have been late last year. It sure we be cool if they occasionally threw "we the faithful" a bone. |
Kenm123t
| | Posted on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 12:29 am: |
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At Daytona Erik was talking about a fall release for the new street bikes. Remember he is not only building bikes but building a company and a Brand. EBR will be a major design engineering group and a M/C Company. Regulations and raising engineers takes time. People and gov take far more time than good engineering. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 02:47 pm: |
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quote:No brand new model sport bike has ever been anywhere near perfect.
You'd have a hard time convincing the Ducatisti of that...  |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 02:50 pm: |
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>>> If these three bikes are not perfect ...
You mean like winning "Superbike of the year", or motorcycle of the year?
I've yet to see or even hear tell of a perfect motorcycle. It doesn't exist. Seems like an attempt to set the bar to an unachievable level. Lame.
The first ever honest to goodness widely sold American Superbike won't need to be perfect in any sense, it'll simply need to be desirable and a good deal.
These will be machines with direct racing heritage, that have already been tested by the rigors of professional Superbike racing.
No brand new model sport bike has ever been anywhere near perfect. Asserting that the EBR models need to meet perfection is just arranging the stage to suit some bizarre anti-EBR vendetta. |
Blake
| | Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 02:54 pm: |
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>>> You'd have a hard time convincing the Ducatisti of that...
Hardly. The record of Ducati is rife with imperfection. Simply peruse google for "Ducati problem". Many may assert that the Ducs are the "best" sport bikes, but I've never heard anyone anywhere ever proclaim that any motorcycle was "perfect." |
Ljm
| | Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2013 - 03:37 pm: |
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I think that this bike will be popular, because of what it is and where it is made. I have a bunch of motorcycles, but if given the choice, I would buy one of the new models. In fact, I probably will, and fairly shortly into the run.
That being said, and I know that they are insanely busy up there in Wisconsin with product development and with racing and all, but I also have to say that a systematic marketing campaign via social media would be helpful with the objective to get a bunch of potential buyers standing at the dealers' doors with money in hand when they roll them in. Weekly info, discussion showing progress kind of thing. Some of us who actually do similar things in other areas would probably help just to help it succeed.
But the viability and success of the bikes themselves is not in question, at least for me. All you have to do is see the first cut at the 1190rs, hear it run and see it perform to know that the actual bike is not going to be a problem. |
86129squids
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 12:29 am: |
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The one thing that I took away from Robert Pirsig's book was that perfection doesn't exist. Only quality.
I strive for high quality in my life and dealings, and seek it in the things I care to possess, most certainly in the people with whom I spend time.
Hopefully I can acquire an EBR someday. I'm not at all worried about its quality. If it's a descendant of my XB9SX, no worries at all. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 06:52 am: |
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"Perfection" is in the eye of the beholder. What is "Perfect" to one person is an uncomfortable, over-powered BEAST to another. As many people as there are on the planet, that's how many definitions of "perfect" you'll find. |
Augustus74
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 11:59 am: |
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I remember reading a Cycle World? article on the 1190 that said great things about it but then concluded in saying that the bike was about 2 years behind other manufacturers. Think a lot of it had to do with electronics though. Will this be addressed in the RX? If the RX really is so closely related to the RS, isnt there very little left to do to bring it to market? How about a spy photo or track sighting or something??? Where is Anonymous when you need him!?!?  |
Tootal
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 03:48 pm: |
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The one thing that I took away from Robert Pirsig's book was that perfection doesn't exist. Only quality.
According to "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance", it's impossible to describe "Quality".
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Hughlysses
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 04:00 pm: |
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Of course it's possible to describe quality, it's just that everyone tends to have a different definition of it. ~25 years ago, my employer instituted one of those never-ending "let's train everyone in the latest catchy thing a bunch of consultants sold us", and it was a Quality (with a capitol "Q") program. They defined quality as "conformance to requirements". As far as a business, that's a very useful definition of the word. A "quality" part conforms to the design drawings and specifications. If it breaks anyway, that doesn't mean it wasn't a "quality" part, although the purchaser might feel that way. But defining "quality" in that way gives you something you can work with and drive home to your work force.
Back to the topic at hand- say what you want about no motorcycle being perfect, but I think EBR realizes they have a very high goal to meet with these new bikes to make them once and for all free of the stigma associated with Buell motorcycles. I'd guess most of us have owned Buells long enough to know that they got a lot better over the years, but to the general, never-owned-a-Buell motorcycle community, they still have a bad reputation for reliability. Glitches like the charging system problems with the 1125's were kind of a throwback to the bad old days.
EBR needs to make sure they set themselves completely apart from Buell in that regard. |
86129squids
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 04:28 pm: |
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"According to "Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance", it's impossible to describe "Quality".
True- I only named it. We can only dance about its true meaning.
Given that it's impossible to describe, I still try... when I rave about something delicious, or a hawwwt woman, or a sunset on the beach, or a motorcycle I just rode.
I've studied some philosophy, still love wisdom, and still love a good snipe hunt once in a while. |
Ljm
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 04:46 pm: |
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I had a friend who sold harleys. He must have been pretty good at it because he sold me one, and three buells. We had a lot of discussions about the bikes, but at the end of the day, his objective was to get people in the door and on the bikes. Regardless of the limitations of the bikes and the comparative shopping, and magazine reviews, the bikes sell themselves to the average person. He let me ride everything in the fleet, anytime, and for as long as I wanted. Fortunately, I didn't have the money or I would have probably bought all of them. The buells always had critics. But I had to have, well, seven of them over the years after riding them.
In terms of the new bikes, same things have to apply: generate interest, get people in the door, let them ride them. I think we may be a little short in the first part right now and that may affect the other phases I am afraid. My .02 for the company.
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Tootal
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 04:51 pm: |
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Sorry Hugh, it was kind of an inside joke for those who have read the book.
Looks like Squids has.  |
Hughlysses
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 07:19 pm: |
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I figured it was something like that. That's one I really need to read. |
Tootal
| | Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2013 - 07:29 pm: |
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My racing partner bought the CD and we listened to it from St. Louis to Mid Ohio and back! It's very deep and by the end you've figured out that this guy is a ... |
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