| Author | Message | ||
     Aussie2126 |
In 2001 we were told the whole story IMMEDIATELY!! Sept 13-19, 2001: Members of bin Laden's family are driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret assembly point in Texas and then to Washington, where they leave the country on a private plane when most flights were still grounded. Top White House officials personally approve these evacuations. [New York Times, 9/4/03, Boston Globe, 9/20/01, New York Times, 9/30/01, more] Doh! Wait a minute... | ||
| Sifo |
It's amazing to me that people are trying to excuse or obfuscate this. Someday I may stop being amazed by liberals, but apparently not today. | ||
| Macbuell |
Aussie, what does that have to do with anything? | ||
| Two_seasons |
Mac: I would think this shows transparency. You only have to tell the truth once! I knew, back when the DHS was being talked about as becoming a brand new DEPARTMENT within our fed gov't, that this would be a train wreck. When you combine and improve the functions of the TSA (new agency), ICE, INS, Border Patrol, Customs, FEMA, Secret Service, Coast Guard, even HHS and Justice Department agencies are involved (22 agencies in all), there is bound to be extreme resentment within each of these agencies. Every last one of the agencies listed above built their own "fiefdoms" and resent the fact that now they will all sing from the same hymnal. They were all different agencies for a reason, all had different missions and, in most cases, did their mission(s) well. Not today! When these agencies were put under the same umbrella, chaos began. Today, almost 12 years later, there is less information and sharing of same then ever before. I warned Bush, my two Dem Senators at the time, our Congressman, that this new Department was not going to work. But, as most of us know, Washington DC doesn't give a damn what we think, because they know what is best for us! I wish those that serve us in government, whether elected, appointed, or on a career path, would tell us the truth every time, would be transparent every time, would follow the Constitution...every time! Why don't you and I deserve that? Why aren't we getting what we pay for? (Message edited by two_seasons on May 10, 2013) | ||
| Reindog |
Cynical thought for the day: Joe Biden will surreptitiously assist the Benghazi investigation to cause Hitlery to be thrown under the bus and increasing his 2016 election chances. If Obama and Hitlery go down (pun intended), then Joe looks good. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
I am stunned that on Sept. 14th, 2013 the mother Sean Smith was hugged and reassured by Obama, Hillary, Panneta and Susan Rice and told that the video was the cause of her son's death and they were gonna get the guy that made the video. And then 2 weeks later on Sept. 25th, 2013 (just weeks before election) Obama makes speech in front of the United Nations denouncing the video as cause the murders. October 16, 2012 Debate Transcript: OBAMA : "And the suggestion that anybody in my team, whether the Secretary of State, our U.N. Ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we've lost four of our own, governor, is offensive. That's not what we do. That's not what I do as president, that's not what I do as Commander in Chief". When will the impeachment proceedings begin? | ||
| Macbuell |
Two Seasons ... I think you misunderstood Aussie's point and therefore mine. Aussie was stating or implying that the Bush admin wasn't honest and upfront because they let the Bin Laden family fly home. Or at least that is what it seemed like to me. Maybe I missed his point. But, if that was his point, what in the world does that have to do with what happened in 9/11/01 and further, what in the world does it have to do with what happened on 911/12 and the cover-up. | ||
| Jb2 |
Garryb brings up valid points. The lines between Republican and Democrat are blurred. There's almost no difference between BHO and Bush that preceded him. Bush clearly laid the groundwork for BHO with the Patriot Act, the TSA, the DHS and stripping of the 4th amendment. You're either a Constitutional Conservative or you are not. There's only a handful of people in Washington who are actually qualified to hold the office they were elected to. Cloward/Piven is well underway. The police state is expanding. They're coming for your guns, your retirement accounts, your freedom. Anyone who thinks that Bush didn't answer to the same puppet masters as BHO is clearly been drinking too much Kool-Aid. If you think the whole truth about Benghazi will ever come out then... | ||
| Two_seasons |
I think, as a whole, we the people are Fed up (pun intended) and want to get back to the basics. Our new, improved gov't, isn't working anymore, from the dogcatcher to Congress. They simply don't care what we think or what we want from them. Both parties are responsible for this lack of focus, this lack of detail. You and I would be dismissed from our jobs if we performed as they do! Aussie was right in that this crap has been going on for a very long time in the USA. | ||
| Reindog |
Don't intellectualize yourself into apathy or powerlessness because that is precisely what politicians want you to do. We have power if we remain vigilant. Nixon was accused of an Imperial presidency, yet he eventually fell because people refused to stop caring. Bad actions from the past do not excuse bad actions of the present. Most of our parents beat that concept in when children attempt that lame excuse. Do you understand, Libheads? | ||
| Fb1 |
http://youtu.be/DqFtEtpy9G8 | ||
| Fb1 |
Politico sucks, IMO. That said, they're reporting that the White House held an OFF THE RECORD briefing with reporters today on Benghazi:
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| Fb1 |
Source, and more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22483768 #TWEET751125 | ||
| Fb1 |
Can you say "crapweasal"? Keep in mind this is AFTER an hour-long, closed-door, OFF THE RECORD meeting with the press this afternoon (Which press? Who from the press was there? Who from the press WASN'T there? What were they told? What were they told to say? What were they told NOT to say?) in response to proof that the White House did, in fact, lie to the American public - repeatedly, as in over, and over, and over, and over - about the attack on Benghazi. Watch closely and you can actually see Carney's nose growing:
http://youtu.be/21algdhMEjw | ||
| Sifo |
Baghdad Bob. | ||
| Fb1 |
I lost count how many times he threw the CIA under the bus. Something tells me they're keeping score... | ||
| Aesquire |
I'm thinking this is going to fade out, since, like Fast & Furious, most of the "press" will ignore, ridicule, and deny. It looks like Barry got that "3:00 am call" and passed the buck. Since he has no talent, training, or knowledge of "military style" stuff, he told the Sec Def to deal with it, went to watch tv, probably smoke a joint and crashed out. Actually, if it had been a competent Sec Def, that would be the right thing to do. Since the decisions made were, well, don't do anything to rock the election boat, people died. The aftermath? Now that's a whole different story. This is where MY opinion ( and some talking heads ) kicks in. I figure the admin. didn't WANT to make a big deal out of boosting security on a day any competent person would. There were protests & assaults on US Embassies in 23 nations, IIRC on Sept 11, 2012. They refused to admit that the narrative, which was Barry was an awesome leader who had crushed AQ, was flawed, so, they looked for a sacrifice, and it came in the person of a bozo who made a short, bad, film. With the exception of Egypt, where the MB terrorist Group President had the film shown on national TV to whip the crowd up, pretty much no one on the planet saw this dreck video until the President and his Minions started blaming it, and him. Then the Sec State, Hillary, promised to have him arrested. Then he was very publicly arrested, IMHO to show "the arab street" that Barry is one of them, and would punish those who slander the Prophet. I have not bothered to watch the whole vid. I don't know how "true" it is. I know that choice selections from the Old Testament, done as a video, could be darned offensive to modern Christians, even though they would be correct, and straight out of the Bible. ( the Old School, Old Testament, has a lot of war, sex, betrayal, and craziness. Most of it is fairly one sided History, just like ALL history. It's not like you get Goliath's side of the story. ) I can certainly see how a Muslim could be offended by the video. Especially the first couple of minutes, which has gangs of thugs beating people who are of a different faith. I find that offensive, too. Especially when it's still going on, and is a planned, deliberate action by the New Govt. of Egypt that Barry helped put in power, and now supports. ( I really feel for the Egyptians, who had the best crappy govt. in the area, and now have a still crappy govt. that has none of the good points of the old one, all the bad points, and adds rape gangs and genocide/persecution to the mix. Gee, Thanks Barry. So, should Barry the Weasel be impeached? Sure! For messing up Bengazi? Not so fast, he's probably telling a rare truth when he claims he didn't do anything. The cover up after? Makes me think tar and feather, but I don't see something that would pass trial. F&F alone is an impeachable offense, IMO, and That's been swept under the rug. So, Don't get excited that "this is the downfall" of Barrack Hussein Obama and his Glorious Minions. Unless a good reporter can get a juicy story published, ( and thaaaaaat's not easy when the Boss won't publish/show it ) this is going to just go into the pile of media ignored criminal acts by an evil, incompetent, morally deficient man. ( feel free to blame it on Obama's Puppet Master, if that makes you feel better ) In simplest term, no one cares that Barack Obama lies to us. | ||
| Blake |
GarryB, RE your summary of isamist attacks against U.S. embassies and consulates under G.W. Bush: How many of those deaths were American citizens? How many were our ambassadors? How many of those attackes were blamed on a fictitious spontaneous demonstration? Wise up. | ||
| Blake |
Aussie, What is your source for that bin laden family evacuation claim? I think it's been proved false. | ||
| Ninefortheroad |
Front page coverage for Rand Paul on his Benghazi comments.... on NBC??? http://www.nbcnews.com/ | ||
| Sifo |
So, should Barry the Weasel be impeached? Sure! For messing up Bengazi? Not so fast, he's probably telling a rare truth when he claims he didn't do anything. The cover up after? Makes me think tar and feather, but I don't see something that would pass trial. F&F alone is an impeachable offense, IMO, and That's been swept under the rug. Impeachment? It's not going to happen. It should! Our President gave aid an comfort to our enemy during a time of war. To the typical Democrat, this sort of thing just doesn't happen. Why do I say that you may ask? It took me a while to wrap my head around this, but consider the main whistle blower in this whole thing; Gregory Hicks. He lived this mess. He knew the coverup first hand. He feels it's bad enough to come forward and testify, knowing it will probably end his career. This is a man who voted for Obama twice. Let me put it this way, even though he lived what happened, knowing that BO was lying about it for political purposes, he walked into the voting booth and voted for the lying SOB again. That is the typical thought process of the Democrat voter. To borrow a phrase that seems to sum it up, "at this point, what does it matter?". | ||
| Cityxslicker |
#/grassyknoll You do not throw the CIA under the bus Nor the NSA This guy is already unpopular with the thinking senior military commanders - it is why he is forcing them out ; they wont agree with his agenda. It comes, the Romanov solution is in sight. | ||
| Macbuell |
Just curious, but how do you know he voted for Obama? | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/347980/bengh azi-lie As Mr. Hicks testified, his superiors in Washington knew early that night that a well-executed terrorist attack with the possible participation of al-Qaeda elements was under way. Instead of responding, the most powerful figures in the government decided that an unseen YouTube video better served their political needs. And, in the most revealing glimpse of the administration’s depravity, the president and secretary of state peddled the lie even in their mawkish eulogies to their buddy “Chris” and three other dead Americans. They lied to the victims’ coffins and then strolled over to lie to the bereaved, Hillary telling the Woods family that “we’re going to have that person arrested and prosecuted that did the video.” And she did. The government dispatched more firepower to arrest Nakoula Basseley Nakoula in Los Angeles than it did to protect its mission in Benghazi. RE: Bush lied...... Well, Hillary, Bill, John Kerry and a whole list of D's & R's told the press the same thing the CIA & the UN weapons Inspection team told everyone. Saddam had poison gas shells in vast numbers. Saddam had used poison gas both on Iranian Children Soldiers ( sent ahead of adult soldiers to clear land mines with their bodies ) and on Kurd civilians. ( want to see the pics of the Kurd dead, Again? ) Troops in Iraq first had poison gas threat sensors go off as they crossed the Tigres & Euphrates rivers, ( due to dumping of poison gas shortly before the liberation of Iraq ) then sporadically encountered Binary Nerve gas shells used as IED's by the Iranian & Saddam Clan backed terrorists. This could have been MUCH worse in terms of mass death, except Saddam had the poison gas shells re-marked as "normal" artillery shells and scattered through his vast arsenals. If the Terrorists had known what they had, and had the manual for using it, parts of Iraq would still be uninhabitable, today. Then there's the Polish troops discovery of Mustard ( poison ) gas shells, the British facilities to destroy the remaining poison gas, and the convoys from Iraq to Syria, ( confirmed by Israel and Russian sources ) which may YET be used against US forces, depending on how Obama deals with his "pink line" about WMD use in Syria. ( in fact, some of the Sarin "alleged" to be used in Syria THIS WEEK may be from Iraq, originally ) So.... While I can think of half a dozen reasons to disagree with, blame, and even be furious with George W Bush, to do so about LIES about HIM are false, unfair, and propaganda. Just as the "57 states" comment from Obama was, in fact, a joke, ( and he claimed 60 total states ) I MUST defend even a politician I despise when lies are told about him. ( hey, he dislikes ME, you too, unless you've donated to him lately ) | ||
| Garryb |
I imagine the CIA remembers who "outed" one of their agents who was trying to expose the truth about the WMDs then lied to congress about it. Scooter Libby took the fall but wasn't really where the buck should have stopped. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair (Message edited by garryb on May 11, 2013) (Message edited by garryb on May 11, 2013) | ||
| Reindog |
So Garryb, What are your thoughts about the Benghazi Cover Up? | ||
| Garryb |
I'm imagine it was probably poorly handled, but sure seems trivial after the major failures related to 9/11 as the FBI had already identified the Muslims taking the flying lessons without learning to land. And then starting a war in Iraq with the massive intelligence failures related to WMDs that cost 10s of thousand of lives and reset our economy. Bush did the pre-emtive strike on Iraq based on info which will probably turn out to be the most massive intelligence mistake in US history, while Obama is the one who ended it and killed Bin laden. I don't really find Bengasi to be the most relevant issue for congress. What do you think are the major accomplishments of the Bush administration and the current republican led congress? What do you think are the most important issues for congress to be addressing, Bengasi? | ||
| Garryb |
It seems like the republican have descended to a role where they are like a little dog who continuously is tring to bite the presidents ankles. Why don't the republicans take on some leadership and tackle the problems like healthcare, job creation, ageing infrastructure, education? The stock market is at all time highs cause there is a president providing leadership that is moving the economy forward, and trying to tackle important issues | ||
| Boltrider |
Garry, the economy still isn't all that well. Using the stock market as an indicator of overall economic health is deceiving and I believe you know that. As for Bush, I was sick of him after eight years and was ready for a change. I didn't vote for Obama but was willing to give him a chance, but that willingness has faded quickly. Others on here have already said it and I agree with them - Obama's leadership skills, and by extension his administration, come across as extremely amateurish. You can also add dishonesty but that negative trait seems to come with the territory when it comes to politics, no matter the party, so it would be redundant to mention it. Sad, but true. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Sadam had poisonous gas - and delivery artillery - because we sold it to him. we had hoped that he would use it against the Iranians..... we funded both sides of that farcus for over ten years both of them were using our equipment from varying eras. |
