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     Aesquire |
I'm still not with ya on the Chemtrails... but Fluoride? Sure sign of the paranoid, and yet still a crappy idea. Fluoride mouthwash available and part of a public health system? Certainly. Long term effect of forced ingestion of potential free radicals? Makes you wonder about Cancer trends. But, hey, they used to have xray machines in shoe stored so you could look at the bones in your feet. Great sales tool. Fascinating to watch too. Wiggle your toes, you could stand there for hours........ Me, If I was going for a one dimensional, single element big stupid/conspiracy, I'd say, High Fructose Corn Syrup. And... in the "we still don't know everything but are learning" category. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-229 0289/NASA-warns-unexpected-happening-Sun-year-supp osed-peak-sunspot-cycle.html In the "wish we had a Space Program" category. http://lightyears.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/07/asteroi d-to-fly-past-earth-this-weekend/?hpt=hp_t3 | ||
| 46champ |
This is a comment from a story about an iceberg in Lake Michigan. Brian D. Dusek · Top Commenter · Skyline High School Al Gore has clarified that the issue isn't just about global warming, but about climate change. Human activity is responsible for warming, cooling, or staying the same, and we must DO something -mostly funnel money into Al's investments - before it becomes unbearably warmer, or cooler or overly the same. I think that just about sums it up | ||
| Sifo |
I saw that article and that comment. Sums it up nicely. Now for MC content... The ice island is offshore near the "tunnel of trees", a very nice ride.  | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.thegwpf.org/christopher-booker-graph-ju dge/ One of the many tricks used by those who lie with numbers is to pick the scale. on a scale of 1 to 10, it may look flat, on a scale of 9.9 to 10, it may look radical. The other big trick is to choose your start point for that nice ( and imaginary ) line showing a trend in a jagged up and down graph. By choosing the coldest years in a cyclic weather graph, you can show warming, ( say, 1390 to 1999 ) or 1776 to 2000. Ditto the other way, pick 1100 to 2010, and it CLEARLY shows the Earth has cooled. http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/gctext/Inquiries /Inquiries_by_Unit/Unit_8a.htm Most important to note is the geologically short time the planet is at a temperature that doesn't destroy civilization as we know it. Sound messed up? How much do we know about the civilization that existed before the last ice age? Man was around a long time before that ice age. Are we to assume than we went from cave man to city dweller in 14,000 years... only reaching the peak for greatness the one time in 1969? The millions of years of man being nothing but a flat line of progress? ( the current "western view" ) Ask someone who knows Indian history, and the tales of great civilizations long destroyed in cycles of hundreds of thousands of years. ( average supervolcano eruption cycle, 70,000 years, average ice age cycle 100,000 years, average politician attention span 1 election cycle ) Myth? perhaps. But everything we have today as far as technology, government, and human advancement dates from the last few thousand years. Ur to LA is a tiny blip in the time scale that shows the true seasons of the Earth. Democracy, republics, only in the last 3000 or so years, science, ditto, ( there is a REASON for that ) dark ages to 787's less than 500 years. Collectivist Imperialism, about 100 years. Mass murder of it's own people ( as opposed to war with another ) tends sharply upward in the last 60 years, ( and that graph aint pretty ) Arguably, civilization reached a peak in 1950's & 1960's and and it's been the start of the Fall of Man since then. ( more than covered in the political threads. Example, Joe Biden is a heart beat away from being the Leader of the Free world. We're doomed! ) What part of OUR civilization will survive the NEXT ( and rapidly oncoming ) Ice Age? Pampers in land fills? The Towers in Dubai? That giant steel tube people ski in in Saudi Arabia? Will all that remains of todays world be Rumors of Gods that flew through the air in magic chariots, and fought with lightning and fire, striking down their enemies from afar? ( which sounds remarkably like the Vedas from India of ancient civilizations from before the last ice age ) | ||
| Aesquire |
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/07/another-hock ey-stick-this-one-billed-as-scarier-than-manns/ | ||
| Sifo |
Aesquire, I don't see as much dishonesty in how many of the graphs are displayed as you seemed to bring up here. Just letting EXCEL for instance, do it's default stuff graphing a data set, it will want to maximize the variations. This lets you see the best detail of what is going on. It's the correct way to do graphs. It's also critical to understand what is being done though. There are a couple of happy coincidences for the global warmists. The thermometer was invented during the Little Ice Age period and the satellite temperature data started just as world temperatures bottomed out during a period where anti-oil groups were pushing an ice age scare campaign. This means that you can correctly graph either the entire instrument temperature record, or the entire satellite temperature record, and see an overall warming trend. I don't see any conspiracy in those facts alone. It's simple random chance. How it's used however, is often very dishonest. To go back further in time than the Little Ice Age requires that you look at some sort of proxy data to determine temperature. The reliability of many proxies are debatable, but most of them, at their best do not do a good job of recording short term fluctuations. This leads to the Al Gore type of claim that we have never experienced a rate of change like we are seeing now. Well "now" would have been the '80s to mid '90s. Now being the present, the rate of change is near zero. Don't expect that to last though, nature doesn't do that well. The really odd thing in the long term records really isn't so much periods of change, but rather the retaliative stability of the past few thousand years. That has been a bit of an anomaly, that the warmists (and now the new-age climate changeists) ignore, and try to pass off as being normality. No conspiracy in that record, just another happy coincidence that has helped human civilization to focus on technological advancement, rather than simply surviving nature. We shouldn't get to used to that as a civilization though, it's likely to change. That change will almost certainly be another ice age that will cover much of civilization with ice sheets again. This will be far worse than any realistic scenarios of global warming. Bio-diversity prefers a warmer Earth, not a cooler Earth. That is well established fact that somehow tend to be ignored by the greenies. There are many lies told by greenies. I personally wouldn't call graphing data to show maximum detail to be one of them. Just learn about the data being displayed and how it fits with the rest of the available data. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/08/a-bridge-in- the-climate-debate-how-to-green-the-worlds-deserts -and-reverse-climate-change/#more-81728 I notice that where the Greenies have sway, lush arable land turns to desert scrub. The Imperial valley in California is changing from the most productive farmland on the planet to desert to protect a sardine. It's best that poor people ( those dirty, breed like rabbits masses of untouchables ) die of starvation than the Delta Smelt be run through a turbine... Gotta have priorities. Other examples are growing in scope in Montana, etc. as Federal land now protected from the hand of the common man now burns and is laid waste by the hand of the elite who forbid the peasants from trespassing on the holy wastelands the Greens are creating at an accelerated rate. ( from the days of the Native Americans who maintained the Eastern Forests as game and fruit parks, wise wilderness management has been tried, with varying success. ) The history of Elk "management" in Yellowstone National Park is a great example of how well meaning ignorance caused near extinction, time and again. If not for the Elk not under Park Service control, they WOULD be extinct, today. I'm less inclined to grant "well meaning" to the nihilists in the Green Movement, but the combination of ignorance, fanaticism and massive, undeserved self confidence of infallibility is destroying more and more of America, and the world, than you could imagine. | ||
| Sifo |
Well, I agree with that post pretty much 100%. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nps.gov/yell/naturescience/elk.htm In short we have used Yellowstone Park as a huge experiment in wildlife management. ( not on purpose, mind you ) Fads and theories have been tried, often with devastating results to fauna and flora. This terraforming our own world, as we have done for millennia, is still not an exact science. Because of it's unique geology and National Park status, Yellowstone has long been the subject of federally funded studies. Also a multitude of private ones, after all, it's a pretty groovy park. Currently most interesting scientifically for the geothermal nature of the place, with giant magma bubbles and the probability of the re-erupting Supervolcano. Just because some fads of fuzzy science were wrong, some hypothesis's disproven, ( if ignored by those in charge for political/religious reasons ) and a lot of damage done doesn't mean that some kind of intelligent forest management isn't a good thing. You just have to know what you are doing. We don't yet, really, but I have fond hope we're getting better. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-15/obama-wil l-use-nixon-era-law-to-fight-climate-change.html Bad news for the economy, business, employment, and perhaps freedom, but good news for folk who do environmental studies. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/9943048/N asas-advice-on-asteroid-hitting-Earth-pray.html Since NASA isn't in the Space business anymore, and Bruce Willis is getting old.......... Or maybe this is part of the Muslim outreach NASA was ordered to do? | ||
| Geedee |
"Since NASA isn't in the Space business anymore,..." You don't visit the 'right' websites Aesquire :-). Your links are too mainstream. Visit Project Camelot.  Here are two links to help you with your Chemtrail studies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW6XaKB767A&feature =player_embedded#! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW6XaKB767A&feature =player_embedded#! Might explain the long winter mentioned in the President O thread. | ||
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| Chauly |
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2010/03/its-al ways-earth-hour-in-north-korea.html | ||
| Aesquire |
http://blog.algore.com/2013/03/time_has_come_for_a _carbon_tax.html To translate... we must tithe to the New Gods. Geedee, from the Project Camelot site. " NASA is an agency for defense of the Planet. That is their charter and always has been. However, their main public face has been concentrated on becoming a dog and pony show for Rule By Secrecy." Actually NASA's charter dates from the old NACA days, and does have a defense purpose, the advancement of aeronautics. "Rule By Secrecy" seems appropriate for our current admin. but I can assure your it's world domination by an unelected elite, not Martians. If you're a Doctor Who fan, you know we've been invaded countless times, and as long as the Companion is cute, we're safe. Sifo, lol. loved the 3rd one. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/53863 The Mini-Ice Age has Arrived Climatologists and meteorologists are familiar with the last Mini Ice Age (MIA) that occurred between 1350 and 1850 AD. It is also referred to as the Little Ice Age. Suffice to say it was cold and, as such weather cycles tend to do, it altered history in a variety of ways. The failure of crops was one aspect of the cold spell and in France the revolution that overthrew the monarchy is attributed to the unhappiness of its citizens, but famine in the northern hemisphere was widespread. In the United States, it is best recalled for the horrid winter our revolutionary war soldiers spent at Valley Forge. At one point during the cycle Americans spent what they called “a year without summer” when the weather remained too cold to plant crops. Since climate is cyclical, it is not surprising that the MIA followed the Medieval Warm Period, also known as a climate optimum. Crops flourished, empires rose and declined, and neither cycle had a thing to do with so-called greenhouse gas emissions such as carbon dioxide (CO2) and everything to do with what was happening on the sun. As spring arrives in the U.S., there was also a broad band of snow storms that comes with it. One of the world’s most respected long-term climate forecasters is Piers Corbyn, an astrophysicist whose expertise is relied upon by corporations and others who need to know what the weather will really be as opposed to the criminally false claims about global warming. His website, WeatherAction, is well worth visiting. In his own words, “WeatherAction is involved in the Global Warming/Climate Change debate where we point out that the world is now cooling not warming and there is no observational evidence in the thousands and millions of years of data that changes in CO2 have any effect on weather or climate. There are no scientists in the world who can produce such observational data. There is only effect the other way, namely that ocean temperatures control average CO2 levels.” Recently Corbyn announced that “The CO2 story is over. It has been pointing the world in the wrong direction for too long. The serious implications of the developing mini ice age to agriculture and the world economy through the next 25 to 35 years must be addressed.” World cooling is now locked in says Corbyn, citing the decrease in average solar activity and a jet stream that is often further south than normal, resulting in extreme weather events. Following in the heels of Corbyn’s forecast was the release of a new report by Dr. David Whitehouse, published by the Global Warming Policy Foundation, and what makes it fairly extraordinary after decades of global warming propaganda is that he concludes that there has been no statistically significant increase in annual global temperatures since 1997. That’s seventeen years of atrocious lies about a warming earth. The irony that Dr. Whitehouse includes in his report is that the atmospheric composition of carbon dioxide has increased during that time from 370 ppm to 390 ppm. So, everything you have been told about carbon dioxide emissions and those of other so-called greenhouse gases “causing” a warming earth is just lies, lies, and lies. “If the standstill (lower temperatures) continues for a few more years,” wrote Dr. Whitehouse, “it will mean that no one who has just reached adulthood, or younger, will have witnessed the earth get warmer during their lifetime.” Now here’s the kicker. The President of the United States, according to a recent Business Week article, “is preparing to tell all federal agencies for the first time that they should consider the impact on global warming before approving projects, from pipelines to highways.” The result “could be significant delays for natural gas export facilities, ports for coal sales to Asia, and even new forest roads, industry lobbyists say.” “In taking the step,” said Business Week reporter Mark Drajem, “Obama would be fulfilling a vow to act alone in the face of a Republican-run House of Representatives unwilling to pass measures limiting greenhouse gases.” The President, as usual, is lying through his teeth. There is no global warming or, as it is more frequently called these days, climate change unless you include a colder earth in that change. The result will be four years of a second term in office during which Obama and his minions will do everything they can to slow what little is left of the U.S. economy, currently growing at a rate that requires a microscope to detect. For the rest of us, the Mini Ice Age has arrived. | ||
| Geedee |
 From Chauly's link: "If America doesn't start building more coal-fired plants, nuclear plants, and other generators of electricity, we too shall live in darkness when the sun goes down. Be warned, the present administration is doing everything possible to make that future happen." -- Alan Caruba Join the dots: | ||
| Aesquire |
Mr Cockburn is quite correct. I'm still for nuclear power... but you should consider his comments on earthquakes, the second law of thermodynamics, and Murphy. "Hysterical People are dangerous. I rest my case." I disagree with Mr. Cockburn on a variety of subjects, but that's true of nearly anyone. I could say the same about Barack Obama AND Mitt Romney. | ||
| Aesquire |
Sifo, re: your post of March 10, 2013 - 10:46 am: You are quire correct. The "Hockey Stick Graph" by M Mann, University of Pennsylvania, cleared of fraud by the same admin. that covered up child rape for decades, didn't have the medieval warming period on it. ( he did add that later, when pressed ) Why? Because he faked the data. After coming up with an algorithm that makes a hockey stick shape pretty much with random numbers, that still wasn't alarmist enough, Mann and later the Hadley CRU simply altered the numbers from his research to fit the graph he wanted. If you change the theory to fit the data, that's science. If you change the data to fit the theory, that's fraud/politics. You are right though, "best fit" and other techniques are designed to emphasize variation to make graphs easier to read. ( most data collection graphs look like little meaningless wiggles.... ) Where you put the start and end points on an overlaid trend line is critical to the impression you want to make. When they charge you a Carbon Tithe, can you fight it on First Amendment Grounds? What if George Bush demanded you pay a percentage of your pay to HIS church? | ||
| Geedee |
"I'm still for nuclear power..." 15 nuke power plants on the New Madrid fault line. Clever or stupid? Not sure what you mean about the second law of thermodynamics. "What if George Bush demanded you pay a percentage of your pay to HIS church?" Being good Americans, I'm guessing you would pay it. You do everything else you are asked of :-). | ||
| Aesquire |
The Congress of the United States made nuclear fuel reprocessing the law. Then didn't pay for it. Then denied the nuclear industry, ( established by Congress ) the ability to store the waste, making them keep it in pools, next to the power plants. After requiring them to use Uranium reactors, to make Plutonium for nuclear bombs. ( Instead of Thorium reactors that don't ) Now, we have techniques that can burn the high level waste, and make power from that process, but Congress won't allow that, partly because the leader of the Senate made a bunch of dirty money in real estate in Utah and won't let them use the storage facility that the leader of the Senate insisted they give his state a bundle of money to study and build...... It gets worse. The permit process to build a nuke plant is so expensive, it's cheaper to build a dozen natural gas plants, which is why natural gas got so expensive, so the government started a program to help the elderly with their gas bill. Meanwhile, since Natural gas was expensive, there was a push to convert all cars to natural gas, which push ended as soon as fracking in the north east part of the country became feasible. Which the State of New York won't allow, after a 7 year delayed study that eventually showed a near perfect safety record and no problems with water supplies. Which report was deliberately delayed again, on the Governors desk, until it expired, so they have to start all over again, ( for millions $$ more ) so the cost of nat gas will go up..... as the planet cools due to Global Climate Change ( the Solar Cycle ) and demand increases...... While we turn food into fuel, leading to starvation, riots, revolutions, and........ the change of the remaining oil producing states on the planet to a hostile religion..... while we don't count the cost of fuel as part of inflation..... or folk who don't have jobs as part of the unemployed....... so a guy who has promised to destroy the oil companies demands all federal agencies take Global Warming into account.... as the planet cools.... So, yeah. I'm for safe clean Nuclear power. It's stupid to build anything on a fault line. Or a beach. Or a cliff. But we do. I can solve the energy problem in 2 years, but the Greens will kill me. Faster than they already are as the raise the price of food and create deserts out of the most productive cropland on the planet. I'm guessing you would pay it. No, if it's a Christian Church, the media would explode and the courts would be inundated with lawsuits. Since it's a pagan church that denies it exists, no one says boo. ( except in England, where being a Greenie is a recognized religion granting you freedom from persecution or firing no matter how freaking annoying you are ) I con do links to how to do safe atomic power, but they're up there. I can show documentation on everything above, but alas, no proof of chemtrails. Sorry. BTW, Congress also mandated us to go metric in 1895. We didn't pay any attention to that either. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.black-and-right.com/2013/03/28/the-br-t hursday-movie-3/#disqus_thread | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/02/race_for_s pace_1/ Rockets.... | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/344426/new- climate-deniers-rich-lowry For the politicians, Global Warming means a few important things, completely independent of facts or science. They can claim a crisis that lets them take power. From you. ( You are the source of all power and money, but they don't want you to know that, it ruins everything ) They can tax you for an invisible, odorless gas produced by breathing, decay, burning anything and yeast. Don't worry, they will tell you how much you create, and how much they will tax you for it. After all, the science is settled, it's just how much you have to pay for it. | ||
| Sifo |
I recently read an article about how the ice sheets in Antarctica were growing thicker. The cause... Global Warming! I really couldn't make much sense of it, but they said they had modeled it with computers, so it must be so. BTW, I can write a computer model that can show how the color of a crayon that a child chooses to draw with controls the output of the Sun. | ||
| Xb1125r |
GOD created the planet, does Al Gore gets his info from GOD. all these scientist just come up with theoris so they can keep their high paying jobs. the average salary for this guys is 120K I would make ul crap to keep a nice job like that would you | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/04/08/nav y-unveils-drone-killing-laser-video Probably needs some work to kill an exocet, but we're getting there. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014241278873241 28504578346913994914472.html ......If a typical electric car is driven 50,000 miles over its lifetime, the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles. Similarly, if the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driven—three ounces more than a similar gas-powered car. Even if the electric car is driven for 90,000 miles and the owner stays away from coal-powered electricity, the car will cause just 24% less carbon-dioxide emission than its gas-powered cousin. This is a far cry from "zero emissions." Over its entire lifetime, the electric car will be responsible for 8.7 tons of carbon dioxide less than the average conventional car. Those 8.7 tons may sound like a considerable amount, but it's not. The current best estimate of the global warming damage of an extra ton of carbon-dioxide is about $5. This means an optimistic assessment of the avoided carbon-dioxide associated with an electric car will allow the owner to spare the world about $44 in climate damage. On the European emissions market, credit for 8.7 tons of carbon-dioxide costs $48. .... He goes on to say the $7500 subsidy per electric car to save $50 is an unwise investment. Perhaps. It depends on 2 things, and that's your attitude on... 1. If it's a good thing to use tax credits/subsidies ( in a very real sense, your money ) to promote behavior, direct research, etc.? 2. If so, is this a wise use of your money? Question # 1 is a bit off topic, in that it's ramifications of giving the power to manipulate with your money behavior, to Congress, are HUGE. This question lies at the heart of every divisive argument from Electric cars to condoms in schools to religious and liberty issues.... So I won't address it. ( big cop out, to be sure ) Question #2 seems pretty straight forward. Duh, in the case of electric cars, it depends on IF we can make the power storage breakthrough that lets us store power more efficiently in mass and density than gasoline. If so, THEN we can have semi-practical Electric cars. Also a host of other neato things. But smart people will be working on that problem even if there's no subsidy, because it's a great way to get filthy stinking rich. Hmm. BTW I'm here defining a practical electric car as one that both can be refueled fairly rapidly, ( say, double the time of filling the 35 gallon tank on a light truck ) and get 250-300+ miles on a charge. The BEST electrics built the last 130 years, get about 100 miles and charge in hours. additionally, I have to mock, once again, Fiskar Motors. I think their sporty car is cute. Seems to have happy enough performance to be a bit fun. Brilliantly aimed at a niche market of self indulgent rich folk. ( as are Ferrari's, etc. etc. ) Plans to spread to a lower semi rich guy market ( like Audi, BMW, etc. ) seem sound. I'll skip the subsidy/loan/bidding for manufacturing jobs end. It's the crappy engineering. No car should die if it's left sitting for a week. ( see "Bricking a Fiskar " That's a major design faux pa. Yes, my eco-warrior TDI may want a trip to the shop if I run it dry. A Diesel may even eat a pump or such if run dry. A modern Fuel Injected gasoline car may need one also. Shouldn't, it'd pi$$ anyone off, but it can happen. But if I run my TDI until the light on the dash is blinking a wee gas pump symbol at me, and the MFD is telling me I have 1 mile to go... I can park the car, walk away and come back in a week with a fuel can and drive away like it's every day. These high end luxury bragging rights cars commit suicide when you do that. What kind of moron designs a car that kills itself because it's computer is too stupid to know it's draining the "fuel tank" to destruction? And then the company blames the owners for not worshipping the car properly with the approved rituals. Suckers. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/04/12/study-revea ls-global-warming-not-to-blame-for-last-years-crip pling-drought/ Sometimes weather is just weather. |
