| Author | Message | ||
     Zane |
If the Supreme Court of the United States rules government has no legal authority in marriage does it not follow that government has no right to regulate divorce? After all, isn't divorce in many cases the last act of marriage. I would say if government cannot regulate marriage, it cannot regulate divorce. If the government cannot regulate marriage/divorce does it not follow that government cannot force onerous alimony settlements. That would become a civil issue. Like many men in America I am paupered by the courts. I pay my ex more than enough to buy a Road King every year. If the government cannot regulate marriage, then it cannot regulate divorce. I exclude child support because that is a moral imperative not a legal one. I am responsible for my children. Wouldn’t we all be free of our alimony orders? Could we sue to recover illegally ordered payments to our ex spouses? What other can of worms does this open? Am I right or wrong? | ||
| Sifo |
When you say "that would become a civil issue", it already is a civil issue, as in civil, not criminal law. Getting past that, the government still gets into what happens when unmarried people split up. I don't see that ever changing. I'm not sure it should change. That doesn't mean that the system isn't often times incredibly unfair. | ||
| Slaughter |
Living in sin: Lee Marvin vs. Michelle Triola Marvin | ||
| Slaughter |
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/oct/31/local/me-m ichelle-triola-marvin31 "Palimony" entered into the venacular as a result of the ruling in the court case. | ||
| Zane |
The sub line was
So does the government have the right to get into anyone's personal relationships? I don't know the answer, that's why I'm putting it out there. My initial gut reaction is no, they do not. Almost everything the government does they justify with the commerce clause. Is marriage commerce? | ||
| Sifo |
It's worth reading a bit further down than the headline...
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| Zane |
Is marriage commerce? What gives the government authority to control marriage, divorce alimony and palimony? I'm not arguing the point, I'm asking for information. | ||
| Sifo |
I have no idea how they justify most of the stuff they do. I think it's mostly because they can. | ||
| Zane |
So if the Supreme Court rules against government control of marriage, can I sue the ex to recover monies I was illegally forced to pay. Than must be very divorced man's fantasy...lol | ||
| Blake |
When one person sues another in a court of law, the govt is involved. It happens all the time and not just related to marriage. It how we seek justice when we are injured, wronged, defrauded, robbed, defamed, etc, etc... We don't need to alter the meaning or definition of marriage to support justice. | ||
| Zane |
But if the government has no authority over marriage, then it has no authority over divorce. If the government forces me to do something where it has no authority, don't I have any recourse? Let me say this is a hypothetical, I don't expect the supreme court to force the government out of the marriage regulation business. | ||
| Geedee |
"Almost everything the government does they justify with the commerce clause. Is marriage commerce?" "Is marriage commerce? What gives the government authority to control marriage, divorce alimony and palimony? I'm not arguing the point, I'm asking for information." The answer is yes Zane. UCC. As with any 'Legal' document, when you sign the Marriage Register, you give the government, or state, the right to determine the outcome of the relationship. Any case that needs to be resolved in a modern (Roman) Court is in dispute, and within the private Bar Guild's jurisdiction, and should you be present, you are therefore deemed incompetent. For a really brief synopsis: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Govern ment/Federal%20Reserve%20Scam/birth_certificates.h tm @ around 4 minutes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFXdCH--Gjo&eurl=ht tp%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edavidicke%2Ecom%2Fcontent%2Fblogc ategory%2F30%2F48%2F&feature=player_embedded Marriage changes status changes bonds changes trusts. Can of worms. Don't let it consume your life unless you are genuinely interested. The illusion of how the system works is much easier. http://restorelaw.com/content/rcp_bar_guild.html Justice has no place in today's 'Law' system, it is all about the money. From experience, only forgiveness towards whomever you feel has wronged you will help heal your soul and hopefully grant you happiness. Then again, what would I know? I'm a conspiracy nutter :-). | ||
| Blake |
Zane, So go get married as you like without involving govt. nothing is preventing that. But if you or your wife perceives being wronged and ends up suing, then you will be under the preview of govt. | ||
| Zane |
Well the definitive state from this thread seems to be"
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| Two_seasons |
It's always "about the money". We pull the wagon and gov't demands we pull faster every year to cover their new laws/regulations. Several years ago I read that between the fed, state, and local governments, there were over 43,000 NEW LAWS enacted that year. You'll never catch up/understand the "system". Just shut up and keep pulling the wagon. After all, every admin we have anymore makes the claim "there will be more transparency with our admin"...right! Here's where all our tax money goes  | ||
| Doz |
I think it's more a case of lawyers injecting themselves into every aspect of life. My daughter will be going to law school soon. During a "sales pitch event" a question was asked about the future job market. The law school reply: There will be jobs for lawyers that haven't been invented yet!! So it starts with someone getting pissed off, hiring a lawyer THEN going to court. | ||
| Sifo |
Keep in mind, most politicians are lawyers. The create laws that are beneficial to their own. They told your daughter right. | ||
| Swampy |
The law school full court press is BS. The local liars school that my wife graduated from boasts 100% employment but that is a loaded statistic. What they aren't telling you is how many are employed in the field and how many were employed before graduation out of the field and never went into law. There are two people that I know of in my office of 30 that went to law school and are not practicing. My wife was a CPA and only went to law school for the academic challenge and the discipline...WTF!(I wish she would have just got into that whips and leather thing instead) She works as she has for the last 25 years as an auditor and went to law school while she was working. Anyway my feelings are that becoming a lawyer requires one to remove common sense and justice and learn to lie, cheat and steal Effin' Bastards I am hoping for the Zombie Apocalypse as the Bastards think they are the only thinking beings with a brain on the planet | ||
| Swampy |
Oh yeah, government and divorce. When you sign the marriage document you ARE signing a contract that gives the government all authority for the products resulting from the partnership and all interest in the dissolution of said partnership. That is why you do not want a license from the government to marry. | ||
| Kyrocket |
"Anyway my feelings are that becoming a lawyer requires one to remove common sense and justice and learn to lie, cheat and steal " You have nailed it exactly. One of my jobs is secretary to the local planning and zoning commission and a local attorney was in the office representing a zone change applicant and we asked him a property question. I don't even remember the question but his response was, how do you want it argued? And I thought, wow, for enough money you'll set aside your morals and argue for whatever a client wants. But I guess that's how mass murderers and rapists get defended. |
