| Author | Message | ||
     Saxon59 |
I have a 2005 Ram Dakota and the air bag off light on the passenger side and the air bag warning light in the dash came on and stay on.I know this isn't motorcycle related but I don't trust my dealer(big surprise)and I can't find any answers on the Ram Truck forums,so,I'm hoping someone here has had experience with these trucks and can give me an idea what to do. | ||
| Aesquire |
check the switch in/under the passenger seat. It's probably not the bag itself, but the switch or wiring. Wiring is quite likely in a 7 year old car. WARNING!!!! AIR BAGS ARE DANGEROUS unplug or pull fuse on airbag circuit before messing with this. I assume/hope you have a multimeter. RTFM also applies, and..... check the Dodge website for recalls & service bulletins. It might be under warranty. | ||
| Nukeblue |
most likely you have either a seatbelt pre-tentioner bad, a connector the needs cleaned up (unplugged & plugged back in over and over usually works),or you leave stuff on your passenger seat alot & now it reads 'negative weight' when it's removed. your dealer is prob yer best bet... | ||
| Panhead_dan |
It's also possible that the air bag was removed (stolen) during service at some point. Quite a market for them. | ||
| 99savage |
Have a 07 GMC Canyon - The light on the passenger side is on unless somebody is sitting in the seat. | ||
| Saxon59 |
99savage;The passenger light only comes on if there is something too lite to trigger the air bag normally,but now its on all the time,it doesn't matter if no one is in the seat or if there is a full size adult in it.Aesquire;I think you may be correct when you say the switch under the seat could be bad,thats what I was thinking also.Can the air bag lights on be checked/diagnosed with an OBD reader? Panhead-dan;I service my own vehicles always,I don't remember stealing the air bags,but you never know!!! Thanks for all the help,this is more than I got from the Dakota Forum!!By the way I don't trust my dealer at all,I may have to drive the 30 miles to the next nearest dealer. | ||
| Bartimus |
Do you have an OBD reader? plug it in and see if it gives you any codes... | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Is it a late 2nd gen Dakota or an early 3rd gen? Nothing on Dodgetalk.com for the gen3 not had time to dig in the gen2 section yet. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Well I had a poke about in Dodgetalk & it seems to be an uncommon but not unheard of fault. One thing that maybe worth trying though, disconnect the battery, leave for a while (15 mins-overnight) then jump the battery cables together WHILE DISCONNECTED FROM THE BATTERY to make sure it's totally powered down, then reconnect & let the system reboot. Airbag module should be under the dash on top of the trans hump if you need to check connections. | ||
| Hootowl |
I'm pretty handy with most things automotive. That said, if I thought I had a problem with my car's air bags, I would take it to a dealer. Those things are too expensive to fiddle with in the driveway. YMMV. | ||
| Saxon59 |
Hootowl;I agree they are expensive if it all goes wrong,I was hoping to avoid the dealer,they are worse than my Buell dealer was.I may just have to bite the bullet and take it to them any way.Thanks for all of the help,maybe this weekend I'll try disconnecting the battery like Mr-grumpy suggested,if that doesn't work,its off to the dealership.  | ||
| Bolthead |
I have a 2005 Dakota which I bought new. During the first year I owned it, the airbag waring lights came on for no apparent reason. I tried to figure out what was wrong by looking under the seat for disconnected wires. In the process of checking the wires, I removed some cleaning rags and other junk from under the seat. Everything seemed to be in order, so I turned on the engine and lo and behold the air bag warning lights did not come on. Ever since then I've been superstitious about putting stuff under the seat. And ever since then I haven't had problems with the air bag lights. The logic side of my brain says it's probable there is something goofy with the seat sensor switch in your truck. | ||
| Saxon59 |
Bolthead you're probably right,there is something goofy with the sensors,but, I don't know what.I tried disconnecting the battery,while it was disconnected,I pulled the connectors off the switches to see if they were corroded,everything looked okay,so I hooked it all back up,turned on the key,and,no difference.Guess its off to the dealer.BTW,I hate air bags,my wife was in a minor accident a few years ago,the air bag deployed hitting her in the face like a Mike Tyson punch,put her head through the driver side window.She has had problems with her neck since then.That was 12 years ago,BTW,the people in the other car(older no air bags)had no injuries. | ||
| Aesquire |
I was first one at, and watched it happen from 2 cars back in line, a pretty kinetic car crash this year, and was very impressed by the performance of the many airbags in a Toyota Corolla. A young lady ( toyota ) Pavloved forward at a green light and an old dude ran his red, ripping the front clip into a jillion plastic bits scattered over half a football field of pavement, shortened the car to the door frame, and she was alive, shaken, and not even begun to be hurting. ( banged up leg injuries, as typical, but head still attached, breathing, and conscious. ) Pretty Impressive, they sure have improved those dang things. I'm waiting for the crash foam system from "Demolition Man". ( that Wesley Snipes film ) I'm not trying to start an argument about air bags. They are an evolving technology, and people can, have and will be hurt by them. Think of it as having a cannon in your car designed to hit you before you hit it, and do as much less more damage from impact as possible, while trying be be "softer" than the steering wheel and windshield.................. while still hitting you faster than the crash itself. There have been, and will be, people who are hurt by safety gear, helmets, seatbelts, etc. but, all in all, they usually help. Airbags sure can be psychologically different, since they are an active system, not passive restraints or armor. So............ I bet Audi will be first with the Foam. Your guess?  I'd take it to the dealer if you've rebooted the car and that didn't help. (Message edited by aesquire on May 24, 2013) | ||
| Bandm |
The airbag light is on because you have an active fault in the system, and code(s) are stored. These codes are very specific and tell you exactly why the computer has turned on the lights and disabled the system. Here are the codes for a 2005 Dakota airbag system, each code has a flowchart. Until you retrieve the airbag codes, you are guessing. My guess is a woodchuck ate the 77 connector.  DIAGNOSTIC CODE INDEX B1203 SRS WARNING INDICATOR CIRCUIT/PERFORMANCE B1204 PASSENGER AIRBAG INDICATOR CIRCUIT LOW B1205 PASSENGER AIRBAG INDICATOR CIRCUIT HIGH B1206 PASSENGER AIRBAG INDICATOR CIRCUIT OPEN B1207 PASSENGER AIRBAG INDICATOR CIRCUIT SHORTED TOGETHER B1B00 DRIVER AIRBAG SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT LOW B1B01 DRIVER AIRBAG SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT HIGH B1B02 DRIVER AIRBAG SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT OPEN B1B03 DRIVER AIRBAG SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT SHORTED TOGETHER B1B04 DRIVER AIRBAG SQUIB 2 CIRCUIT LOW B1B05 DRIVER AIRBAG SQUIB 2 CIRCUIT HIGH B1B06 DRIVER AIRBAG SQUIB 2 CIRCUIT OPEN B1B07 DRIVER AIRBAG SQUIB 2 CIRCUIT SHORTED TOGETHER B1B08 PASSENGER AIRBAG SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT LOW B1B09 PASSENGER AIRBAG SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT HIGH B1B0A PASSENGER AIRBAG SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT OPEN B1B0B PASSENGER AIRBAG SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT SHORTED TOGETHER B1B0C PASSENGER AIRBAG SQUIB 2 CIRCUIT LOW B1B0D PASSENGER AIRBAG SQUIB 2 CIRCUIT HIGH B1B0E PASSENGER AIRBAG SQUIB 2 CIRCUIT OPEN B1B0F PASSENGER AIRBAG SQUIB 2 CIRCUIT SHORTED TOGETHER B1B18 LEFT SIDE CURTAIN SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT LOW B1B19 LEFT SIDE CURTAIN SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT HIGH B1B1A LEFT SIDE CURTAIN SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT OPEN B1B1B LEFT SIDE CURTAIN SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT SHORTED TOGETHER B1B20 RIGHT SIDE CURTAIN SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT LOW B1B21 RIGHT SIDE CURTAIN SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT HIGH B1B22 RIGHT SIDE CURTAIN SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT OPEN B1B23 RIGHT SIDE CURTAIN SQUIB 1 CIRCUIT SHORTED TOGETHER B1B28 1st ROW DRIVER SEAT BELT PRETENSIONER CIRCUIT LOW B1B29 1ST ROW DRIVER SEAT BELT PRETENSIONER CIRCUIT HIGH B1B2A 1st ROW DRIVER SEAT BELT PRETENSIONER CIRCUIT OPEN B1B2B 1st ROW DRIVER SEAT BELT PRETENSIONER CIRCUIT SHORTED TOGETHER B1B2C 1st ROW PASSENGER SEAT BELT PRETENSIONER CIRCUIT LOW B1B2D 1st ROW PASSENGER SEAT BELT PRETENSIONER CIRCUIT HIGH B1B2E 1st ROW PASSENGER SEAT BELT PRETENSIONER CIRCUIT OPEN B1B2F 1st ROW PASSENGER SEAT BELT PRETENSIONER CIRCUIT SHORTED TOGETHER B1B70 UP-FRONT LEFT SATELLITE ACCELERATION SENSOR INTERNAL B1B71 UP-FRONT RIGHT SATELLITE ACCELERATION SENSOR INTERNAL B1B72 LEFT SIDE SATELLITE ACCELERATION SENSOR 1 INTERNAL B1B75 RIGHT SIDE SATELLITE ACCELERATION SENSOR 1 INTERNAL B1B78 PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 3 - LEFT FRONT PERFORMANCE B1B79 PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 3 - LEFT FRONT INPUT CIRCUIT LOW B1B7A PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 3 - LEFT FRONT INPUT CIRCUIT HIGH B1B7D PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 2 - RIGHT FRONT PERFORMANCE B1B7E PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 2 - RIGHT FRONT INPUT CIRCUIT LOW B1B7F PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 2 - RIGHT FRONT INPUT CIRCUIT HIGH B1B82 PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 4 - LEFT REAR PERFORMANCE B1B83 PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 4 - LEFT REAR INPUT CIRCUIT LOW B1B84 PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 4 - LEFT REAR INPUT CIRCUIT HIGH B1B87 PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 1 - RIGHT REAR PERFORMANCE B1B88 PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 1 - RIGHT REAR INPUT CIRCUIT LOW B1B89 PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR 1 - RIGHT REAR INPUT CIRCUIT HIGH B1B8C DRIVER SEAT TRACK POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT PERFORMANCE B1B8D DRIVER SEAT TRACK POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT LOW B1B8E DRIVER SEAT TRACK POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT HIGH B1B91 DRIVER SEAT TRACK POSITION SENSOR CONFIGURATION MISMATCH B1B92 PASSENGER SEAT TRACK POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT PERFORMANCE B1B93 PASSENGER SEAT TRACK POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT LOW B1B94 PASSENGER SEAT TRACK POSITION SENSOR CIRCUIT HIGH B1B97 PASSENGER SEAT TRACK POSITION SENSOR CONFIGURATION MISMATCH B1BA5 AIRBAG SQUIB CONFIGURATION MISMATCH B1BA6 OCCUPANT CLASSIFICATION UNDETERMINED B1BA7 OCCUPANT CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM VERIFICATION REQUIRED B1BB7 PASSENGER AIRBAG DISABLE SWITCH CONFIGURATION B1BA8 OCM SYSTEM OUT OF CALIBRATION/NOT CALIBRATED B1BB8 SRS WARNING INDICATOR STATUS MISMATCH B1BBA PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR SUPPLY CIRCUIT B1BBB PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSOR INPUTS SHORTED TOGETHER B1BBC OCS NEGATIVE SYSTEM WEIGHT B1BBD OCM CURRENT CONFIGURATION TABLE UNPROGRAMMED B1BC7 DEPLOYMENT DATA RECORD FULL B1BC8 PASSENGER SEAT WEIGHT SENSORS PERFORMANCE B2101 IGNITION RUN/START INPUT CIRCUIT LOW B2102 IGNITION RUN/START INPUT CIRCUIT HIGH B210D BATTERY VOLTAGE LOW B210E BATTERY VOLTAGE HIGH B212C IGNITION RUN/START INPUT CIRCUIT OPEN B212D IGNITION RUN ONLY INPUT CIRCUIT OPEN B2201 CALIBRATION MISMATCH B2205 ORIGINAL VIN MISSING/MISMATCH B2206 CURRENT VIN MISSING/MISMATCH B2207 OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER INTERNAL 1 B2208 OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER INTERNAL 2 B2209 OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER INTERNAL 3 B220A OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER INTERNAL 4 B220B OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER FIRING STORED ENERGY B220C OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER ACCELEROMETER 1 INTERNAL B220D OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER ACCELEROMETER 2 INTERNAL B220F OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER CONTROL DRIVER 1 B2210 OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER CONTROL DRIVER 2 B2212 OCCUPANT CLASSIFICATION MODULE INTERNAL B223B VEHICLE CONFIGURATION MISMATCH B223D OCCUPANT CLASSIFICATION MODULE DTC PRESENT U0019 CAN B BUS U0020 CAN B BUS OFF PERFORMANCE U0022 CAN B BUS (+) CIRCUIT LOW U0023 CAN B BUS (+) CIRCUIT HIGH U0026 CAN B BUS (-) CIRCUIT HIGH U0121 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH ANTI-LOCK BRAKE SYSTEM (ABS) CONTROL MODULE U0141 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH FRONT CONTROL MODULE U0151 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH OCCUPANT RESTRAINT CONTROLLER (ORC) U0154 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH OCCUPANT CLASSIFICATION MODULE U0155 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH CLUSTER/CCN U0156 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH EOM U0164 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH HVAC CONTROL MODULE U0168 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH VEHICLE SECURITY CONTROL MODULE (SKREEM/WCM) U0170 LOST COMMUNICATION W/UP-FRONT LEFT SATELLITE ACCELERATION SENSOR U0171 LOST COMMUNICATION W/UP-FRONT RIGHT SATELLITE ACCELERATION SENSOR U0172 LOST COMMUNICATION W/LEFT SIDE SATELLITE ACCELERATION SENSOR 1 U0175 LOST COMMUNICATION W/RIGHT SIDE SATELLITE ACCELERATION SENSOR 1 U0184 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH RADIO U0186 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH AUDIO AMPLIFIER U0195 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH SDARS U0196 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH VEHICLE ENTERTAINMENT CONTROL MODULE U0197 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH HANDS FREE PHONE MODULE U0199 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH DRIVER DOOR MODULE U0200 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH PASSENGER DOOR MODULE U0208 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH HEATED SEAT CONTROL MODULE U0209 LOST COMMUNICATION WITH MEMORY SEAT CONTROL MODULE U1414 IMPLAUSIBLE/MISSING ECU CONFIGURATION DATA U1415 IMPLAUSIBLE/MISSING VEHICLE CONFIGURATION DATA | ||
| Saxon59 |
SSSOOOO,looks like I take it to the dealer,wish I knew a dealer I could trust.Anybody know a trustworthy dealer in northern Utah?.....BTW,I saw an interview with the former head engineer for Chrysler(Ithink)who was involved in the design of the air bag system.He said that instead of making cars with so many safety devices,that give drivers the sense they are invincible,we should be doing a better job of TEACHING PEOPLE TO DRIVE.I couldn't agree more!!!  | ||
| Crackhead |
A local shop that is keeps up with modern electronics should be able to read the codes for you. But, shops that keep up with the time are far and few between. FYI: if you have a OBD-II Ford and are getting brake lines or other major brake compotes replaced, verify that the shop has the software to cycle the abs system. I have been active on Taurus board for a decade now and you will not believe how many people complain about braking problems due to improper brake flushing done by shops that don't keep up with the times. |
