| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
This was an interesting thread, BUT... I've come to the conclusion that if things have gone so seriously wrong that I'm left with only a single gun, I probably haven't actually chosen that gun, it's just how thing have worked themselves out. When it's time to go, I would really like to have my 9mm and .22 pistols. If I am going with the carrying capacity, or staying in, I'll be able to arm a neighbor or two too. | ||
| Rick_a |
A Glock .45 with a 30rd mag would serve well.  | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
for up close, sure, wouldn't want it for longer distances, and I don't want people too close to me in a bad situation like the one we're speaking of | ||
| Aesquire |
Rick, where's the Bayonet? ( I think they are silly, and found someone on the interweb who agree's with me. I may go into shock ) http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/01/pistol- bayonet.html Some interesting stuff on this site. The Five Rules of Concealed Carry 1. Your concealed handgun is for protection of life only. 2. Know exactly when you can use your gun. 3. If you can run away -- RUN! 4. Display your gun, be prepared to go to jail. 5. Don't let your emotions get the best of you. Also "Feminine Protection" http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XCkTSf0swcQ/TTPmmLA55sI/ AAAAAAAAGdA/Xh4jhA_3Kt4/s1600/AR15.jpg Winchester 1894 ... 911 can send crime stoppers at 80MPH. Her rifle can send them at 1600 MPH. Questions? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XCkTSf0swcQ/TDm19-X2QJI/ AAAAAAAAGcU/3_0PZgmlf4k/s1600/Winchester+1894.jpg Actually one of my choices for the "one gun". | ||
| Rick_a |
While I have a couple bayonets, they are mostly just to collect. If I ever had to fix one I imagine I'd have to be in a very bad way. A good revolver in a proper caliber, especially with an optic, is capable of a solid 100 yard range or more. | ||
| Aesquire |
A decent revolver with scope is a pretty good choice. Carry it in a proper hunting shoulder/chest holster, and you even could conceal it with proper garb. Leaves both hands free, and doesn't catch on brush... Not being obviously armed is usually a good thing. When: the PC trend is toward induced Hoplophobia ( fear-o-guns), the Drones are programmed to detect rifle toting terrorists, the police drive by..... all currently applicable. Because of the rainbow trajectory of most reasonable revolver calibers, a laser rangefinder compensating scope would be ideal. I don't think any of the current models have a high enough eye relief, but thats not a technical problem at all, just a matter of demand. The flattest shooting normal revolver round is probably the .460 S&W Magnum. I don't think the .460 S&W Magnum is a reasonable revolver round for daily carry.... for SHTF? It'd stop anything on the planet that walks. Most of the stuff that drives. Come to think of it, a lot of stuff that's extinct wouldn't stand up to one. Be my choice for T-Rex. Marginal, probably, but so's an AK. You really need a Barrett... Or a Mk19 40mm full auto grenade launcher. ( Can't pick for a "one gun", sorry. Not many available on the market... )  | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The don't build it But a Thompson SMG in 9mm with a suppressor, and an underslung Mag fed shot gun. it would be Heavy, but if Shiate gets close I figure 130 rounds of 9 would be handy, and the 5-6 of 12 guage goodness for when you need to reload .... of course the best defense - don't be home when they knock. | ||
| Aesquire |
Why not the Jesse Ventura Gatling gun from "Preadator"? ( I actually think having a permit to buy one of those is a good idea ) Rick, I bought my Brother in law a Mosin M44 carbine. I read that it is properly shot with bayonet extended, and it's darn accurate that way. Also loud, giant fireball, and kicks a lot more than the rifle version, even though it doesn't mass that much less. http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm not a bad candidate for the "one gun". neither is a Springfield '03. A bayonet is a legacy from the days when your muzzle loader fired 3 RPM with training, until it fouled. Then you had a crappy club. The bayonet turned a club into a pike, and pike tactics were well developed. In battle, you also would charge, fire your one shot at close range, for maximum impact, and follow through with cold steel until the enemy was defeated. Originally, you'd jam your knife in the barrel, then some high tech tinkerer came up with bayonet mounts, then even better ones so you could fire with a bayonet extended. On a M1, or even a M14, bayonets were useful. On a M16? the fragility of the butt stock/buffer tube meant half the kata for bayonet failed, when the gun broke. The ergonomics for bayonet with a M16 are pretty poor too. Not impossible, just not good. Bayonet drill was still taken seriously back in the Vietnam era. At close quarters, the short "pole arm" tactics are as deadly as they were in the days of Rome or Babylon. A real life saver in jungle or alley. On a pistol, a bayonet is a novelty item, IMHO. I was joking. The idea that it's useful for weapons retention? maybeeeee, but wouldn't it be safer to wear a spiked gladiator manica? | ||
| Chauly |
Perusing the Henry catalog... I was taken with the Big Boy .45-70 Lever Action, but the .44 or even .357 Magnum Levers were pretty cool.... | ||
| Buffalobolt |
I was taken with the Big Boy .45-70 Lever Action... I was looking at one of those, just last night. Not a bad rifle. The only thing that I didn't like about it was that it had the old style brass tube that you pulled out to load. Like the older 22's. They don't have loading gates on the frame like the Marlin's do. Price wise they weren't so far off (the Marlin was on the rack right beside it), so I'd rather have the Marlin. YMMV... | ||
| Ulyranger |
The real Marlins died when they were sold and left CT...... The Henrys are interesting, only ever seen the .22 s in any shop though. | ||
| Rick_a |
The bayonet on an M4/M16 is a non-issue. The rifle is still grasped by the pistol grip and handguard so the buffer tube fragility does not matter. We used rifles as step stools at times, so it's stronger than one would think. A buttstoke is a straight movement; more of a jab. I'm sure swinging it like a club would break it. One gun...  M1A1 Thompson+Remington 870 AOW | ||
| Rick_a |
Also...the old MasterKey:  (Message edited by Rick_A on March 23, 2013) | ||
| Cityxslicker |
'M1A1 Thompson+Remington 870 AOW' almost there ! damn zombie killing goodness esp if they in blue helmets | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Ammo came in at Wal*nards today while I was their. Guys were standing around,waiting to see what was in the boxes....practically pawing at them. Boxes of bb/pellet gun stuff of all kinds and one box with packing that had two 5 packs of .410 shotgun shells and five 20 round boxes of .270 Winchester. The .410 made it to the shelf,the .270 made it to the barren display case and was then.............GONE. Who has a .270 in this flat land of no centerfire deer hunting rifles? It will all be on gunbrokers before the end of the day....I'm betting. | ||
| Aesquire |
"M1A1 Thompson+Remington 870 AOW" Well, I'll be. The collector purist in me is screaming that someone did that to a M1A1, but damn! That's a lot of firepower in a compact, If massive, package. I wouldn't want to carry that very far, but I have to hand it to the insane guy that built that on the versatility & firepower aspect. That can stop a charging Rhino and still get you a duck dinner. I can just see that on the local sporting clays course! Everyone would want to try it.  City, I think your proposed combo is a but heavy for practicality, but....... I suppose my only real question isn't why on earth you need something to stop a riot by yourself, because that would do it, but instead, why a Thompson as a base? An MP5 would be much lighter, not require 5 or 6 figures of cash to have custom build, and is already available in suppressed form. Considered a darn good weapon by the SEALs, and that's a solid reference. Or, perhaps a Sten/870 Combo? Be far more compact, and actually not that big a gunsmithing challenge. I think you can even get the parts for a semi-auto Sten firing mechanism that would be legal in post 1989 rules. It would have to be closed bolt, but that's not a hardship and IIRC that's available... I'd build it so the Remington 870 ( built as you please ) was the base gun, use it's stock and the Sten 9mm carbine mounted on top. Opinion? ( It certainly can be done, to make a Thompson clone in 9mm, but | ||
| Swampy |
The wife and I call it our Hillbilly Easter Egg Hunt when we are foraging for ammo. The other night we got to Walnards and found 6 other couples waiting by the ammo counter. They were all waiting for the stock guy to come back and give them the bad news, no ammo at all that night! Today my son and I stopped and bought 8 boxes of tulammo 7.62. We talked the kid into selling us each an extra box! I then got on the phone and called the wife to tell her and she even asked if I wanted her to come over and buy some! What a Trooper! I had to run but when she got to the counter she gave me a call and I told the guy what she wanted and we scored another 3 boxes! My take on all of this is when supply meets demand, and this may take a couple of years as buyers become saturated after stockpiling enough ammo to where the buyers feel full or safe then the stores will start having stock on hand. But anybody that remembers these times will never forget and those that survived these times will become like those that survived the Great Depression and not feel safe unless their stockpile has reached their personal comfort level. From now on that may take quite a bit of comfort... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
my guess is this madness wont last through summer. there is more and more ammo available on shelves, pricing is dropping at gun shows etc | ||
| Rick_a |
Not in these parts. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
blame your local gun enthusiasts then, they are snatching it up and marking it up | ||
| Sifo |
blame your local gun enthusiasts then, they are snatching it up and marking it up I agree with that, but how long until people are saturated with their stocking up? Eventually even the folks looking for ammo at gun shows wind up with all they need and supply gets a chance to catch up. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
local wallyworld gets there ammo at Thursday nite.... by 7 am Friday - it looks like old mother hubbard. Still able to get target loads for the 12; and the 30-06 has good depth in stock; glad I swapped to that pow-stick most of the auto feed ammo is gone the wheel gun - I can still get 357/38 - but the prices are ouchy ; and not from Wallyworld | ||
| Reepicheep |
I'm starting to see a little more show up. .40 S&W, 7.62x39 were both on the shelf locally. I'll be happy when .22 rimfire shows back up. | ||
| Aesquire |
City... http://www.guns.com/2012/01/11/the-sten-gun-britai ns-love-hate-submachine-gun/ http://www.indianapolisordnance.com/sten_mk3.html If you mounted a picatinny ( 1913 ) rail to the receiver top of a 870, and built the Sten with mounts opposite the magazine, you could have quite a versatile if heavy weapon. Detachable for bird/game hunting, and an angled rail extension could hold sights/optics. If right handed I'd have the magazine pointing Up ( in relation to the normal orientation of the shotgun ) with trigger to the right, and the sights offset to the left 45 deg. A left handed variation could be made, but you'd have to machine a few parts in mirror image to the kits. What do you think? | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Just get a Saiga12 & a whole load of mags. | ||
| Alfau |
When things get that bad. Not if, but When they get that bad! Love God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Then kiss your ass goodbye. | ||
| Britchri10 |
Don't have a Sten! I carried the "Sterling" & it's a great tube for spitting bullets, that's all. Single shot, accurate to 20 meters, maybe. Full auto, start low left & watch her climb to hi right. if you want a 9mm, get an Uzi.(A much better variant of the Sten action) Chris C | ||
| Sifo |
When things get that bad. Not if, but When they get that bad! Love God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Then arm yourself. And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. Luke 22:36 | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The STEN is not as sexy as the the Thompson - but I am betting there is probably some damn easy parts to make and machine for replacements.... and in a suppressed 9mm - beats nothing every time. | ||
| Cowboy |
In the days of Luke a sword was 28 inch long not 10 inch to me that relates to a 28 rou clip not 10 round. |
