| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
Yes. The commercially available 2 week-o-food backpacks might be a good idea. Big fan of extra space blankets, and water filtration gear. Many natural disasters, blizzard, ice storm, tornado, hurricane, flooding, heat wave... can disrupt services and cause the need to evacuate. Or sit tight. In most cases, being able to just sit tight and keep warm and fed for a few days is all you need do to survive. In event of evacuation, or sitting tight, consider your camping needs for a 2 week period. Food, shelter, cooking equipment and means to make fire or heat. Boy Scout stuff. You don't know which disaster is going to happen to you. Black out, to storm, to nuclear incident to Meteor strike..... all the same as far as an individual and family goes as a house fire in a blizzard. If No one rescues you for a few days, are you still alive? If Zombies give you humorous inspiration to tackle the depressing idea of losing all your stuff, and thinking about how to cope, enjoy. Anyone have experience with the Henry Big Boys? | ||
| Macbuell |
The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that the 9mm carbine is the way to go. It is the most popular handgun round in the world so there will be plenty of availability. It will have great short range accuracy and stopping power and a range of 100 yards which should be plenty. Also, you are bound to come across a 9mm handgun just due to their popularity giving you a good combo that uses he same ammo. (Message edited by Macbuell on March 17, 2013) | ||
| Gregtonn |
With tons (literally) of scrap steel and other metals around, it would be long time before you need to go back to flint for arrows. Reep, You are right to an extent but, suppose we are both sitting around a campfire with the usual camp gear. You have a yard of railroad rail steel (about 100 pounds) and I have a five pound slab of flint. Who could make a couple of arrow or spear points from his material by morning? G | ||
| Sifo |
Sheet metal is available EVERYWHERE and could be fashioned into pretty effective broadhead arrowheads in a matter of minutes with simple tin snips. Just finding suitable flint would be much harder than finding and making arrow heads from sheet metal. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Sifo, Go back and reread the scenario. Do you carry tin snips when camping? How well would they work on a railroad rail? G | ||
| Sifo |
I reject your scenario and substitute the world I know.  No I don't normally bring tin snips camping. I could make due with a hatchet though, especially heating the sheet metal in the hot coals of the fire. If I have a stone to sharpen my hatchet, I can even put a ice edge on my arrow heads. Most of all though, I find it interesting that you carry railroad rail camping.  | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
this thread is taking an interesting turn. I still like the 22 idea cheap, light, quiet | ||
| Gregtonn |
Sifo, You would be surprised what you come across in the old gold mining country of Montana. I actually came across both of those items while camping there. You're also not going to get much of an edge on anything you can cut with tin snips and it would be way to thin and soft to make a decent broadhead. Back on topic. Macbuell, I'm sure someone makes a decent 9mm carbine but I've never seen or shot one. I expect they're pretty rare. G | ||
| 2734 |
9mm Carbines are around in plenty of configurations. I had a Hipoint and ran some Israeli +P+ in it and it was a hoot. Pretty impressive but I dunno how long the Hipoint would hold up. Very fun little carbine for very little money. If ever get the spare change I'd like to have a Feather Ind carbine (Message edited by 2734 on March 17, 2013) | ||
| Blake |
Mac, >>> (9mm) is the most popular handgun round in the world so there will be plenty of availability. Have you tried to purchase any lately? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Knapping would be cool, but I wouldn't look for a railroad rail, I'd bring a phillips head screwdriver with me and have a ton of tips from the first wood deck I came across.  If I ran out of .22 rimfire first. | ||
| Macbuell |
Blake, I have over 1000 rounds of JHP 9m ammo so I hope that's enough. But i have looked around and am aware of the shortage. i have to assume the current situation is temporary. Still, when I was talking about availability I was talking in terms of scavanging in a shtf scenario. (Message edited by Macbuell on March 17, 2013) | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
9mm is hard to find now, but it'll come back around and many many many guns shoot 9mm, so if all really went to hell, theres plenty out there to find | ||
| Aesquire |
It makes perfect sense to chose a mil standard cartridge. Long history of data for reloading, common availability, and can be gleaned from the wreckage of civilization. ( Zombie trashed police cars, APC's etc., or more realistically, available for issue to militia from armories. ) Unfortunately that leaves some of my favorite calibers out, like 6.5 Grendel or .45-70. ( not a standard Govt. round for a long time ) The "best" 9mm carbine would arguably be the H&K MP5. All I see on today's web site is the .45 USC. So you would have to seek out an older civilian spec MP5. HK94 IIRC. http://www.hk-usa.com/civilian_products/usc_genera l.asp Not bad looking. The H&K roller locking system is very neat, but I don't ever want to disassemble & reassemble one again. We stripped & cleaned a buddies CETME/G3. Really strong springs in really small spaces = pain. I assume the assemblers at H&K have thumbs of iron and carpal tunnel very young. Thing worked like you'd expect a Mauser cannon to work, perfectly and loud. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G3 | ||
| Rick_a |
Blake, my current Colt has fired thousands of rounds, fired 200-300 at a time, without a single jam, in three configurations. These are 20" with rifle buffer, 16" with rifle buffer, and 16" with carbine buffer system. With M16A2's, the only jams I had experienced were either with blanks (very dirty) or caused by using muddy ammo. The DI system is very reliable. Look at the M4 destructive tests. It takes a lot to get one to fail. IMO if cleaning the bolt carrier of carbon build up between shooting sessions or lubing the bolt every 1000 rounds is too much work, get a piston gun. | ||
| Blake |
Excellent first-hand warrior info Rick. Thanks for sharing. That's the kind of knowledge that is really valuable. | ||
| Nukeblue |
for those into blades... this is a great shtf knife! super cheap right now. just got mine. love it! best bang for the buck they say http://www.amazon.com/Schrade-SCHF9-Extreme-Surviv al-Carbon/dp/B0033H7VI6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=136 3718650&sr=8-1&keywords=SCHF9 | ||
| Fast1075 |
On vacation this week, so I set aside a day to tinker with my weapons. Did a trigger kit for my Model 60, cleaned it and my SR-22. Cracked open a case of ammo, and headed to the range. Ran a whole brick thru each of them. (CCI Velocitors) Not a single failure of any kind on either weapon. The '60 was shooting dime size groups with only 3 fliers from the whole brick. The SR (at 10 yards) was consistently shooting 2' groups. The last 100 rounds thru the SR was at a single target.(A 1.5" Dot on a 10" paper plate)at 10 yards. Cut the whole dot out. Not exactly a match pistol, but it is small, light, well balanced, reliable, and uncomplicated to strip and clean. Where I live, in a survival scenario, the usual game will be rabbits, squirrels and even more common and easier to find....alligators or turtles (they spend a lot of time on land sunning), wild pigs are everywhere, and what we call "deer" here in Florida. No, it's not "legal" to take a deer with a 22, but it was my Dad's preferred weapon, and he brought back many head shot deer when I was a kid. I do use a 22 for hogs, but admit I take a .410 for back up. Before someone starts having a cow about reliable range, etc, if you have never hunted the close confines of Florida/Mississippi/Alabama wetlands, trust me, the range a lot of times is well under 20 yards. Of course, if I lived in Wyoming, or Montana, or shot mule deer on one coolie, from another in Colorado, the 22 would be relegated to plinking or snakes, and my primary weapon would be a 7mm magnum. | ||
| Cowboy |
Fast lyou aare 100% correct we are talking survlivle not follow the law. To live space is a premium and you can carry 1000 rounds of 22 in your pockey. | ||
| Blake |
Nuke, Mora Knives also exceptional bang for your buck. http://www.amazon.com/Mora-Knives-Classic-2-Number /dp/B004D6H1WC/ref=pd_sim_sg_5 http://www.amazon.com/New-Swedish-Mil-Mora-Knife/d p/B004TNWD40/ref=pd_sim_k_1 | ||
| Nukeblue |
well the link i posted is sold out now  blake, the mora is another great one one of my friends turned me on to a few months ago. unreal how cheap that is for what ya get! | ||
| Crackhead |
I like the Gerber LMF II or LMF 2, they can be found for around $70. Be carefull if you want to get the ASKE version, a lot of places don't konw the difference so they sell the normal LMF inplace of the ASKE. Gerber also make the Bear Gryll's Ultimate knife which is very simuliar but with a different handle and sheath. I keep this one in my car. If you read about the handles breaking, that was the Version 1 and Gerber will warranty them to the Version 2. There is also a non serrated version of the BG Ultimate. | ||
| Nukeblue |
the grylls is the one i was drooling over when i found the schf9. check out the review & comparison in there to the grylls. for $20 less it sold me for sure http://ultimatesurvivaltips.com/schrade-extreme-su rvival-knife-review/ | ||
| Macbuell |
I have two different Bear Grylls knives, the Ultimate and the Folding Sheath Knife, and they are both great and can't be beat for the price. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
im slightly more prepared today   '  | ||
| Sifo |
Nice score Hybrid. If you don't mind, what price did you pay? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
not a good one lol, 25 bucks better than some spots are selling them for. one of those things where I know he paid less a few months ago, but there aren't any/many floating around | ||
| Nukeblue |
mmmm, gen-m3. i've not seen those yet. have plenty of the older ones though | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
some places are starting to restock the pmag, but unfortunately none in my area. I learned of a few stores about 45minutes away that had them in stock for 18$ each (limit 1 per day), but when you factor in the gas, it made sense to pay a higher price locally. I figured as long as it was under 35 dollars, I would still come out cheaper to buy from this private seller than to drive to a retail facility. Im looking forward to using it in the next week at the range! gen 3 windowed came with dust cover stoked. | ||
| Sifo |
$25 isn't awful. I'm still waiting to see if mine ever come in from MidwayUSA. I did get an email from them this morning saying that they were still going to honor the backorder from last December at $14.20 a piece. I passed on some locally a few weeks ago at $30. Still hoping things will normalize again in months, not years. |
