| Author | Message | ||
     Sifo |
And that is why I do not, will buy into the "one gun" scenario. I will have whatever firearms necessary to carry on....... Until circumstances conspire to leave you with only one weapon. Of course, reality being what it is, when that happens, you aren't really in a position to choose exactly what weapon that will be. Just be glad that circumstances left you a freakin' weapon! | ||
| 99savage |
Sifo Until circumstances conspire to leave you with only one weapon. In Europe "circumstances" have been that way since antiquity, which if why rifle/shotgun combinations have been popular. All kinds of combinations; simple 2bbl, rifle/shotgun stack; one shotgun bbl X 2 different caliber rifle bbls and more and more, all the way up to 4bbls. For the power elite they had the additional advantages of being so expensive only the landed gentry could afford them. I love them but could never afford one. - Had to settle for a Stevens 22/410. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
99savage, I really like that gun for a good survival weapon and would choose a 20 ga./.223 combo w/ a red dot scope for wilderness survival but, in the case of armed revolt and a SHTF thing I would want more "firepower". | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Kenm123t,there are a bunch of Old Army Rugers on Gunbrokers..but damn..they got spendy. There are also conversion cylinders to make them into 45 Long Colts. Here's mine that I fluted and jewelled years ago.  | ||
| Aesquire |
Nice. Classic lines, built like a tank, coil springs, none of the delicacy of the old Colts...... More than one Cartridge conversion cylinder can serve as Western "speed loaders" as seen in the movie "Pale Rider". ( not a cheap solution ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePlyWlhobDU | ||
| 99savage |
Are there any other reproduction cap & ball revolvers out there with a top strap & adjustable sights? | ||
| Ulyranger |
Until circumstances conspire to leave you with only one weapon. That "circumstance" would most likely be death in my case. Shall not be infringed........ (Disclaimer: just so no one confuses my comments to mean armed insurrection, there are many forms of noncompliance that do NOT involve voting from the rooftops........just so we're clear) I will not be giving up my inalienable rights no matter what some lower power of man driven by the latest public approval polls is thrust upon free citizens of this fair land. I will maintain whatever arms that are necessary to maintain my freedom and security, be they modern sporting rifles or longbow & tomahawk. I am, and will be covered going forward. It's a fun game though. I have an old Army PB, not one of those nice Rugers though. The adaptability to manufacture your own rounds is indispensable | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.prometheus-music.com/eli/filk/blkpowdr. html From a song by Leslie Fish. A teaching song for children. ( Ms. Fish is a Filk singer ) | ||
| Bob_thompson |
99savage(Louis) "Are there any other reproduction cap & ball revolvers out there with a top strap & adjustable sights?" Yes, check Dixie Gun works (link below); they have been around many, many years and carry a wide variety of all things nostalgic. I did see three Remington replica target models like you're looking for here: http://www.dixiegunworks.com/default.php?cPath=22_ 92_187_189 Dixie's main page: http://www.dixiegunworks.com/default.php?cPath=22_ 92_187_189 | ||
| Aesquire |
Just a personal opinion.... ( this'll start an argument! ) is the Remington design is much stronger than the open framed Colt, but the real reason I like it better is the Remington doesn't use that damn wedge holding the Colt together. OTOH, the Colt 1851 Navy is the absolute classic look in function and design. The 1860 Army takes that to a new level in it's flowing lines and near Art Deco style. Industrial Age Art. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
i lucked up, im up 1050 rounds of 22lr for only 44 bucks! local guy doing something nice....im excited! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
figured I have what I can get - now it is time to get creative with what I have at hand, and in my head. Hello Mr. Powell - nice to see your cookbook again; it has been a long time. | ||
| Buffalobolt |
Nothing feels, or balances like a '51 Colt Navy (in the blackpowder world that is...). However, for a "shooter", nothing beats the '58 Remington. Even the fixed sights of the original are dialed in, and are as serviceable as any new gun with fixed sights. If your not concerned about them looking authentic, then get the stainless steel with the adjustable sights. You will get rust with any blued blackpowder gun. Stainless will help, but not eliminate that problem... I've got a number of them (used to shoot them in SASS (cowboy shooting competition)), and have literally shot thousands of rounds through them. A properly set up cap and ball revolver, will shoot very well. Now, if you want to step up another level... Get one of those Ruger Old Army's as pictured above! | ||
| Rick_a |
I've fired a black powder pistol once. It was a Colt Walker replica. Very mild recoil, lots of smoke, and dirty as heck. The owner told me I'd better "hold on" to it. Having had owned a 44Mag for a decade, and owning and a snubbie, it was a pleasure. I'll admit, I am intrigued, but loading those guns is no fun. I like the Freeman Army...but that would be a little tough to come by...  | ||
| Buffalobolt |
...but loading those guns is no fun. Loading them isn't too bad. Not as fast and easy as a cartridge gun. But not too bad. I see it in the same light as shooting a muzzleloading rifle. Not overly fast, but relaxing and somewhat theraputic. Cleaning one is the messy, tedious part... | ||
| Sifo |
So is the black powder substitute still corrosive? I would think that modern chemistry could have gotten around that issue. | ||
| Aesquire |
some are, some aren't. Pryrodex isn't very, but the pellets use s small amount of black powder to promote ignition. So you clean it like Black Powder. Most of the sugar based substitutes are not and smell like burnt cookies. Windex cleans up the sugar/based substitute powders pretty good. No boiling water needed. safety tip, never pour powder from the flask down a barrel/into a cylinder. Always use a measure so that a smoldering ember won't back flash the whole flask. Paper cartridges increase speed and safety. Probably the fastest way to load a cap & ball revolver is pellets, butterbore soaked precut wads, and balls. The wad reduces flashover, and keeps the fouling soft. (Message edited by aesquire on March 12, 2013) | ||
| Mnrider |
I'm now thinking if just one gun a handgun like a 22lr Buckmark may be better than a rifle just because you could keep it hidden and not make yourself a target for theives.Everyone has to sleep. | ||
| Loki |
Surprised no one has mentioned the "Circuit Judge" as a one gun. | ||
| Blake |
Rimfire for a one gun? Not prudent. Need to be able to reload. Just my thought on the topic. Easiest to reload? Shotgun. But concealability might be valuable too. Long range shooting? One gun just cannot do it all. Closest thing to it?... http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/commercial/handgu ns/five-seven/ | ||
| Sifo |
Here's a piece that goes into the idea of this thread. I just liked this bit from it. I think many of us can relate...
Enjoy... http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/03/jack-baru th/the-battle-rifle-origins-and-theory-part-one/ | ||
| Reepicheep |
Blake, I'm assuming if I am down to a "one gun" scenario my capability to reload is long gone as well. And reloading requires bullets, primers and powder. Bullets would be easy, and maybe something could be worked out for powder, but it would be really hard to make a reliable primer. So if you are buying and stocking 2000 primers, why not just buy 2000 rounds of .22 rimfire? I'd expect I could hunt fine with it in a pinch, and it would move you from "unarmed" to "armed" in a hostile tactical situation. You for sure would not have any kind of superior firepower, but you would be a much harder target than someone unarmed, and it would be enough to push the threat perimiter you could represent out to 200 or 300 yards easy. And even tactically, I bet two .22's are better than 1 .308 in most situations. | ||
| Nukeblue |
one thing to consider about the 22lr is reliability. they do not always go bang every time. i'd say at least 1 or 2 per hundred in my exp. not reliable enough to bet my life on fo sho. sifo, that link you posted, if you like that stuff you should read this.. http://www.amazon.com/Bostons-Gun-Bible-Boston-Par ty/dp/1888766069/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1363194869 &sr=8-1&keywords=bostons+gun+bible some weird stuff in it but also some great on choosing a main battle rifle | ||
| Mnrider |
I agree with nuke in that reloading supplies would not be available. You could carry thousands of 22lr rounds easily. Since I've been shooting only cci tactical 40g in my 22's there's been no ftf in the Buckmark or 15-22. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
Remember this was a SHTF scenario and I would not like to defend myself, my loved ones on my homestead against a few bad guys who want what I might have, with a .22 LR. It might do fine for small game gathering in a survival situation but thats all. Just my FWIW opinion. | ||
| Aesquire |
While a, say, .357 Magnum bolt action carbine would be a far better social equalizer than a .22lr bolt action, and, of course lever vs. lever or Semi vs. Semi, a lever, pump or semi .22lr would do the job of basic defense far better than most people could do with a rock. Admittedly, this is one of those places where the tiny and insignificant shard of truth the anti-gunners have is so. A repeater IS more deadly and fearsome than a single shot. Duh. A lever action .22lr, can be an effective home defense weapon, a good game getter ( up to deer, and honestly what are the odds of you hunting Moose, Elk or Nigai at TEOTWAWKI? ) Even the very best of the .22lr rifles isn't an effective bear gun, and while it can kill, it's a lot like being stabbed with an ice pick. It can kill, but it lacks the authority to stop a determined, crazed, drugged, or stupid human. Multiple shots, however, may be more effective. And I'm talking shots that hit, not NYC Police random downrange damage. As always, a light powered weapon requires better aim, and more practice than a heavy one. A .44 Magnum is twice as big a hole and more than that in damage. Unlikely you have to shoot a wild dog more than 3-4 times. A .22lr? marginal. Emptying the clip may not be enough. Yet, if you are aware of the limitations, and work to have the skill, a .22 can do the job. A .223 can too, ( while still marginal for big game ) and a .45-70 can do the job, Period. ( up to Tyrannosaur ) In the final analysis, I don't disagree with mr. Thompson, but still contend that a .22 is better than nothing. How about a .45 Colt modern S&W #3 replica? Faster loading than a 1973 SAA Colt, reliable, and reloadable. ( I specify modern replica, popular in SAS competition, since the original was not made in .45 Colt. | ||
| Rick_a |
The 3rd Model Russian is a beautiful piece.  However, I believe the S&W Model of 1917 is the greatest revolver ever devised.  ...and I still say an AR-15 pistol or SBR in 5.56mm is the one to have. | ||
| Aesquire |
Actually I think I'm leaning towards that AR-15 SBR, for practical reasons. Ammo mass and volume, for one. Yes, I agree the 1917 is perhaps the ultimate offspring of the Victorian age 3rd Model Russian. Handier and faster in every way. Both were fine target guns and powerful, useful, weapons of war, law enforcement, and personal protection. ( and works nicely as pistol carbine combos. What do ya think, a M1A1 Thommy Gun or a M3 Grease Gun? ) | ||
| Rick_a |
Submachineguns and pistol caliber carbines suffer from a lack of range/power. I used to have a pistol caliber carbine and sold it off. For close range they used to be the weapon to have, but advancements in ammunition have pretty much obsoleted them. The Thompson in particular, fine as it is, is heavy as hell. A 5.56/.223 will still have the energy of a .22 Magnum at 400 yards even from a short 10" barrel. | ||
| Cowboy |
If If If I were to have to survive for 1 yr and have only one gun for protection and food I would want none other than a Herry 22 mag. |
