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Sifo
Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It would be nice to be able to buy primers again.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This isn’t a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.

I would agree with that assessment.

I would also agree that regardless of what gun control legislation does or doesn't come down the line, the current buyers aren't going to turn over their weapons.

If you don't believe your Government is at war with you, you either haven't been paying attention or you are part of the problem.
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Darth_villar
Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo, my back order from PowerValley just shipped.

You may try your luck there for primers.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All out of stock. I'll save the link though. I not familiar with them. I assume you meant Powder Valley, Inc.
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Darth_villar
Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 09:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Right, sorry for the typo : )

They have pretty much the best pricing on reloading consumables I have seen.

I believe Nuke Blue was the one who mentioned them to me.
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Friday, February 15, 2013 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My Powder valley order of 8 pounds,4 weeks a ago....came in this week....... good price and hazmat included
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Nukeblue
Posted on Wednesday, February 20, 2013 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

plastic lowers in stock. what the hay, i'm gonna try it out

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ati-omni- stripped-lower-receiver.html
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Ducbsa
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 06:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

$70 is way cheaper than the 80% finished ones that seem to need a jig to be bought, too.
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Ninefortheroad
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 06:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even though I have more than one "polymer" pistols, I just can't bring myself to get a plastic lower.

I went ahead and overpaid somewhat for another Spikes lower....

Nice Forged AL,
but a silly logo "Calico Jack"
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Nukeblue
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

think i'll make a 22 out of it
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Ninefortheroad
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nukeblue...
Now a 22 might be just the thing to do with one,
...didn't think of that.
I'd be curious on how it woks out...
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Sifo
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just came from the range and overheard part of a conversation about England having a large order from Glock. They were saying that they don't expect to get any Glocks again for weeks. They are also now selling reloaded .223 for "range use only". That's new for them. One "good" sign is that they said people who were putting ARs up on consignment in the $4K range are beginning to realize that it just isn't going to happen. At least the craziness isn't continuing to spiral.
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Nukeblue
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

macbuell, just got back from my local store. they have glock factory mags in stock. several of them. standard size & the big dogs. pm sent
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S21125r
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nuke and Nine,
For what it's worth, I bought a New Frontier composite lower a few months back and so far have been pretty impressed. It came complete with buffer/tube, stock, grip and all lower parts assembled ready to pin. $109 plus shipping and transfer I believe.
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Kyrocket
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 03:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Haven't been keeping up with all the pages here but I've run into a question needing answered. I have a P229 (40cal Sig Sauer) and have been thinking about getting the .22 conversion but there are two different ones, same price. Anyone know the difference in them besides one fitting many models and one just fitting the 229?
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php/cPath /21_28/SIG+Sauer/
3/4 of the way down the page. I've never had any dealings with a conversion and was looking for some input. I'm thinking of putting this and a shotgun on "layaway".
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Ninefortheroad
Posted on Thursday, February 21, 2013 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

S21125r...
Until the prices here lately, I really did not care to even consider Polymer lowers.

I think for a 22lr., I just might need to take a 2nd look, the Frontier may also be a good option !
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 01:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...and so it begins...


I'm excited. I've completely rebuilt an AR, but never built one up from scratch. All the parts are on order. I'll have to get the ancillaries as the budget allows. Should have an optic and light in a week or so.

I picked up this DTI lower for $130, and ordered a complete build kit (minus lower) from J&T Distributing (with some options) for $670 shipped.

I had a line on a CMMG 16" assembled upper for $580, but I'd have to send the barrel off for a chop and buy all the lower parts separately ($$).
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 03:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What trigger you planning to run?

Geissele, Timney, etc, triggers make a big difference in practical accuracy. ( the barrel makes the main diff in inherent accuracy in AR's )

Some favor single stage, others 2 stage triggers and there are arguments for each. I've had very good luck with the Bushmaster target 2 stage trigger, that has a audible click as it sets. ( heard clearly through bone conduction with head firmly against stock ) When doing rapid double taps or tracking a running coyote, it's just a decent trigger with enough pull to be safe. ( also smooth & fast for 3 gun competition and the close range stuff ) You just stroke through as normal. For long range, deliberate shots, use the set feature to give a 1 lb. final pull.

The Bushmaster trigger works & installs pretty much stock, so having extra pins helps a lot in installation. Mono-block triggers like the Timney are stupid easy to install and may have a functioning edge due to the more certain tolerances on the pivot pin spacing. ( a theoretical advantage that really only shows up on poor tolerance lowers ) Against that I think the Timney style triggers hold more crap since there is less clearance on the sides for carbon/unburnt powder fouling. Hosing it down with CLP ( like I do any AR trigger ) with the lower inverted to drain the crap away works just as well, though.

Luckily, you can change triggers pretty easy at any time. I consider the 2 most important "mods" you can do on an AR for accuracy free floating the barrel, and a good trigger. As I said, the barrel is the prime thing, and a good stock barrel can be as accurate or better than a very pricey "match" barrel. ( I also think stuff like polymer wedges to reduce play between upper and lower, jamming O-rings behind the extractor and other "popular" mods are mostly a waste of time, money and can mess things up more than help. YMMV. )

I'm Opinionated, but at least I didn't say counter steering....
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm pretty set on Accuracy Speaks. It's a non-adjustable (Murphy's law and all), mil spec-ish looking single stage that has no overtravel, creep, or take-up, and breaks like glass at 3.5lbs with standard springs. It is not very popular or well known, but I've had one in my Colt for about 15 years, as it was the only decent non-adjustable big pin trigger at the time.

Everyone loves the Geissele. I prefer a single stage.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 09:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks, the trigger is a personal choice and is the fine point of ergonomics.

The pistol grip doesn't make that big a difference ( I like Houge, and Tango Down ) to accuracy, but does to comfort, the Stock can make a big difference in head position ( for scopes & irons ) and can change the muscle tension affecting accuracy, but the trigger is the fine/final control.

3.5 lb. is nigh perfect for a semi-auto. Less makes me nervous, more is ok..... to a point where it interferes with control.

This is a very different application than a Glock, where the trigger is the safety and pretty much the only control other than the slide lock and mag release.

AK's tend to have crappy triggers that "slap" the finger as the action cycles. ( on the semi auto versions, which is all most of us will get to see/use ) The cheap TAPCO trigger is a huge improvement, I've been allowed to try another guy's at the range and it's easy 100% better than Tula Arsenal stock.

Most Mosin Nagant's I've tried have decent triggers. SKS triggers are all over the place but I've shot some that were excellent. ( not uber light, but crisp and functional )

There was a long time period where the manufacturers of civilian guns deliberately made heavy triggers because their lawyers thought it would reduce lawsuits. Didn't work. Now they are all building much improved triggers, and I have to give full credit to Savage for leading the way with their Accu-Trigger.

Keep us informed on the build as it progresses.
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Glock has a blade in the center of the trigger that has to be depressed before the trigger will move. It's a decent safety feature. It isn't ONLY a heavy trigger pull that provides safety. That is of course the case on most revolvers.

My AR-15 came with an unknown single stage trigger. It's actually a pretty decent trigger, and would be fine as a combat weapon. It's better than some single stage triggers I've felt on other, quality build ARs. I would much prefer a two stage trigger though. Some day it may get some love. Right now I would be happy just being able to find affordable ammo.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A friend loaned me a russian target airgun with a competition trigger, I use it to practice in the garage and learn how bad a shot I really am.

I don't know how light that trigger is, but thank GOD I'm learning to deal with it on an airgun, and not a firearm. Dang. Talk about illuminating bad habits...
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Sifo
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've got my .22 pistol set up with a just under 2 pound trigger. Once you're used to it, it's no big deal. Now just about everything else seems like a heavy trigger. This BTW, is strictly a target gun. I have also gotten an accidental double tap. Once.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

In probably 2000 rounds through that airgun ($5 for 500 rounds : ) ) I have had probably 3 negilgant discharges. All down range (because I am doing everything else right), but they were still the gun going bang when I wasnt trying to make it do so.

It was really good for changing from "finger off the trigger until you are setting up your shot" to "finger off the trigger until you are taking your shot".

A good way to break bad habits (formed from teaching myself to shoot with a BB gun as a kid).
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Rick_a
Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 11:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My lightest trigger was a S&W 629 .44 Magnum. It was some 2-1/4 lbs in single action. My brother nearly shot himself in the foot with it.

I do have a precision air pistol that is about the same. That pistol is ridiculously accurate.
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Aesquire
Posted on Saturday, February 23, 2013 - 07:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My only AD ever was with a S&W model 29 .44 magnum. It was pointed down range, so no harm, but still scared the crap out of me, and permanently cured that bad habit. Same reason, finger touching a light trigger in a stupid second.

Once the brain reset, that was the most accurate pistol I ever shot, making me look good. ( which I needed pretty bad at that point )

Shotguns........ Winchester had a great article on speed of actions, and it speaks with more detail than I can give.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/library/articles/det ail.asp?id=72

http://www.multigunmedia.com/speed-shotguning.pdf

I tested an extended magazine tube on a Super X2 at a local range. ( on the rifle range @ 50 yards ) After announcing to the few folk there I was doing a function test, and not going to make a habit of this, 2 guys paused their bench rest shooting and drifted over to observe.

Firing as fast as I could aim at a "shoot and see" target, 10 rounds of birdshot went downrange. The first observer commented that that was the fastest he'd ever seen a shotgun fire before. The other's comment? "Yeah.... but he hit the target every time."

I give Winchester full credit on the speed and accuracy of that test. My Halo trained trigger finger let me partially keep up with the capability of the gun, but I certainly didn't beat it in speed. No where close to the talent of mr. Kelley.
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Rick_a
Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2013 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My first ND was with an airgun when I was a pre-teen. The next was with an M16A2 loaded with blanks. I remember being surprised that nobody seemed to care. The last was with a S&W revolver of all things. I fell asleep while doing some trigger work and had substituted empty cases for live rounds somewhere in there. There were no casualties save for my bedroom window. If I did one thing right I had the firearms pointed in a safe direction.
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2013 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I owned an open-bolt MAC-10 for a number of years. I'd hand-load 230 gran FMJ rounds and for just shooting for fun, I'l down-load to pretty low muzzle velocities and once in a while, the bolt wouldn't cycle back far enough to catch the sear - getting off a couple rounds. Cyclic rate on the gun was quick - but it'd DEFINITELY get the rangemaster's attention. First time it happened, he had me open the action so he could verify that I wasn't using an illegal weapon on a public range.

I have to admit, the open bolt action is stupidly simple in concept and execution.

It was an interesting weapon but not that much "fun" so I sold it... and regret selling it!

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Just_ziptab
Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2013 - 10:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a Jewell three lever trigger on my 1,000 yard gun.....set to 3 ounces.It's like "cutting the red wire" to disable a bomb.

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Cityxslicker
Posted on Sunday, February 24, 2013 - 01:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I need to take a gun smithing class - or six

all my stuff is off the shelf
I have a feeling those days are coming to an end.
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