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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Command and control - avoid the line soldier - you will not change his mind; and he will be readily armed.
Find that cushy spot where those making the commands are..... like a golf course.

If we have learned anything from the rounds in the desert - direct opposition - is fruitless.
It comes, and it gets bloody and soon.

The only outcome that can come from 'civil disobedience' is that we will find how easily and ready they are to fire on us - and make no mistake - they will.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 02:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PS I want a BAR for home defense too ; )
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 02:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I find it curious that no one seems to think that it's not just in the future, but here now.
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Not that I have answers for just how to act, but it would seem prudent to consider action before we find ourselves in crisis mode.


Count me in the group that thinks we are considered slaves (subjects) by our leaders AND thinks we are in crisis mode.
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Nukeblue
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

**bob thompson**you're right, that's what they say. i've had a class 3 item for over a year with no issue yet. guy i work with has had two auto's registered for thirty years with no surprise inspections. although when his house burned down they were there two days later wondering what happened to them. luckily he got them out in time : )

(Message edited by nuke-blue on January 28, 2013)
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Fahren
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sifo,
The article to which you link is very interesting- especially as I am a New Yorker - but I can't stand it when false quotes (especially when attributed to a founding father, in this case George Washington) are used in an article or argument.

It dilutes the strength of the argument.

The GW quote is a bastardization of a section from his January 8, 1790 address to Congress. The original:

quote:

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a Uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent others, for essential, particularly for military supplies."




Unfortunately, you see the bastardized quote far more often now on the webz, "so it must be true." ;- )

Anyway, good article nonetheless.
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Henshao
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 03:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The current administration is trying to turn America into Europe. Like WMDs for the previous administration, and horrific though it may sound, I suspect that some of these mass shootings are a product of of direct Gov't meddling.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With enough CCR's maybe you can just make every neighborhood a covenant....

f- tards (not the mayor - the council members opposing the second)


Oak Harbor is the home of Whidbey Island Naval Air Station ; the launch pad of some very fun and spooky things that we did.
I do miss those days, but the ease at which some of that stuff can be turned around and directed domestically - is blindingly scary.
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Xb1125r
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Henshou we are going to end like Syria where the people have no weapons to fight the dictator

(Message edited by xb1125r on January 28, 2013)
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Pikeben08
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"14
‘‘(v) A forward grip"

Don't almost all rifles have a forward grip?

This would outlaw any semi-automatic rifle that has a detachable clip, no matter the size, ridiculous.

I also don't understand what it is about a pistol grip she thinks is so dangerous. But I guess it makes sense that I don't understand her logic because she's a moron.

If she introduced anti-drunk driving legislation she would probably ban alcohol in cans but not glass bottles. Makes about as much sense.

Maybe I should start buying these before the ban goes into place: http://www.amazon.com/Saturator-AK-47-Water-Gun-Ye llow/dp/B003A01ZC4

Almost makes me wonder if she has stock in any gun companies.

Step 1 - Buy gun company stock
Step 2 - Introduce sweeping legislation to stir panic and cause a gun/ammo buying frenzy
Step 3 - Profit
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Henshao
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 06:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Politicians would never run for office so that they could have the power to legislate themselves into posterity...
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J2blue
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ben, part of why I posted that segment of actual text is because interpretation can vary and usually ends up decided by lawyers. You hit on the very thing I primarily saw as excluding most pump shotguns. Only secondarily is the tubular magazine restriction troubling. You see, some tubes are long enough to handle the extra rounds but use a plug that limits the capacity, in my mind those would be considered illegal. Even if those tubular magazines with plugs aren't currently considered illegal, the language of the bill makes it possible, as I read it, to alter the definitions easily so that "more than 5 rounds" could easily be "more than 3 rounds". Now that would immediately cause someone like Ducxl to become a criminal, unless his gun make and model is given an express exemption. See how easy it seems?


And, they may decide that besides pistol grips they want to ban weapons with sawed off pistol grips. Gosh it's so much fun playing with words!
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like they are going to use any excuse they can to arrest gun owners.

Man arrested after posting Facebook photo of baby & gun

So they let him go after finding out it was a BB gun. What if it were a real gun? What laws were broken?


quote:

Police say that the close proximity of the gun to the child created a substantial risk of physical harm.




Proximity to a gun creates risk of physical harm? Talk about a stretch. While I would never suggest such a thing, if you unload a gun, you can safely let a child of any age play with it all they want and the worst they are likely do is pinch a finger in moving parts. This is pure insanity!
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Agreed.But i want a BAR for home defense and they infringe on my ability to obtain one of those.WHY?

I haven't checked, but that is a State Issue. Does RI allow machineguns with a federal permit? If so, go for it. ( I find it a bad choice, normally, as a 30-06 over penetrates in suburban settings. Also, As I have stated before, If you use a rare or precious to you fire arm for self defense, expect to never see it again except at the Grand Jury. The odds on you getting back your BAR in many cases are slim to none. Not only will you probably have to sue to get it back in many cases it is stolen from the police impound. ( by who? gee, who knows? )

GEEDEE,your video is radical. .....

I'm with you on this one. While I know from statements made in public by several of the politicians involved, that it IS their intention to disarm the peasants they have utter contempt for, ( US ) Zionist plots with magic tech and conspiracies about 9/11 or the Moon Landing seem darn crazy to me. Too. ( I can give youtube references of the politicians )

I haven't seen ANYTHING ANYWHERE leading me to believe they're going to REPEAL the 2nd.

Repeal? Heck no. Ignore. Repudiate. Brainwash away. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyqBxD-3xw

short form

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nM0asnCXD0

They MAY curb our ability to obtain weapons of mass destruction.
Horse hockey. A WMD is a germ, a poison gas, or a nuke. Official US policy. For decades.

WTF does taking away my shotgun have to do with that? The cretins who lump car bombs in with WMD's are lying, mistaken or both.

Straw man. Dishonest.

Just as i cannot obtain a BAR for home defense. see above. Also read my LOW opinion on the wisdom of that weapon for home defense. Great collectors Item, a hoot to shoot, crap for clearing the kitchen.

Straw man. Dishonest argument.

Funny post by Grumpy with a picture of SHOTGUNS portraying them as about to be confiscated.A RADICAL reach from background checks and limiting hi cap mags.
Do they call that HYPERBOLE?


As explained, YOUR shot gun is on the list. The Law is written very broadly to INCLUDE your shotgun as an "Assault Weapon". Fact. That's because the ones writing these laws are dishonest. If it has a freaking handle, it's an Assault weapon. You are dealing with professional liars. The term Assault weapon is whatever they want it to be. It is a propaganda term. Assault weapons do NOT in fact exist at all.

I think i have to step away because i'll only rile you guys up.Classic,just like the current situation wrt DEMS and REPS working together in Washington.We've grown too divisive.NO COMMON GROUND/NO COMPROMISE

Ok, I want to take your stuff. You don't want me to. Let's compromise. I'll take half your stuff today, the rest next week. Happy?

Of course the situation on DC and your state capitol isn't that simple, and I'm certainly not going to defend a R because he's an R. Or condemn a D because he's a D.

I do mention that gun control laws in the United States all date from the D's trying to keep guns out of the hands of the freed slaves. Negros with guns really made the Terrorist arm of the D's upset. ( the Klan ) The D's have been the party of "gun control" ever since. The R's have been variable.

We point out the lies. you repeat the propaganda and brainwashing tools.

Are you gullible, ignorant, or malicious?
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like the anit-gun folks are going to use any and every excuse they can think of to subvert the Constitution.

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Henshao
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The fact that no fully automatic firearms post 1986 are available for public ownership does mean, for me, that the right to bear one at all has been infringed.

In addition to the $200 tax stamp that has always been in place as a sort of "financial barrier" to exclude those of lesser income (inflation has caused this to mean little in modern times), the forever dwindling quantity of automatic weapons means that even the crappy ones costs an exorbitant amount.
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Reindog
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

RE: GEICO cancellation.

Check it out on Snopes.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, January 28, 2013 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Henshao is right on this. I blame GHW Bush for signing that law.

As I state above, the R's are Variable, when it comes to following the Constitution. Some good, some bad. Also true for D's, but I can win more bets betting against D's following the Law. ( although not as reported by Peirs Morgan. )
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 07:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Reindog, I did just check it on Snopes (which has some pretty questionable conclusions that I've seen BTW). Looks like the cancellation is dealing with a real case. GEICO is claiming it's for reasons other than the business that he's in. What do believe, the letter that they sent when they canceled his policy, or someone trying to contain a PR scandal after the fact? The letter seems pretty clear in it's language to me. Others can decide for themselves. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/geico.asp
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 07:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Gun ownership is not one of the underwriting criteria of an auto policy.
If this is a company truck, and the owner / operator is using it in a business related arena that is connected with the transport of guns, the that would be a condition of the original underwriting proposals under business liability.
If it is his personal vehicle, and he is using it for business purposes - they can rerate the policy for business use, but not cancel it.
Each state is different; but you pull this cr@p in Washington, and you would be able to take it to the Insurance Commissioner for violation of policy; if they are doing it company wide, then it is available for a class action suit.
Policies are terminate only for listed reasons, rights, and provisions stated on the dec page of the policy; an insurer may NOT change those conditions mid policy - and certainly not an external non underwriting political event.

IF this is true - I would encourage every gun owner to drop Geico like a hot potato.

Shall not be infringed.

(PS Most car insurance is a racket anyways - it is much more cost effective to go to a surplus lines supplier and a get a named use policy for assets; doubly so if it is a company asset)
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 05:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good point and counterpoint. The counterpoint obliterates the ignorant libtard's nonsense.

The following is an editorial sent in to a Lexington, KY newspaper in response to this editorial post.


(link to original article: http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=4638)
by Chris Sullins

[Editor: This was originally sent to a local newspaper disputing their editorial seeking a "middle ground" on gun control, which of course means gun owners give up more of their rights with nothing in return.]

I read your editorial on the middle ground of gun control. You were correct that there are many things you don’t understand.

I will begin by stating that combat veterans like myself not only swore an oath to defend the Constitution, but we actually risked our lives for it. I know very well that freedom isn’t free and its payment was made in real blood. Over my relatively short lifetime, though, I’ve seen politicians use that same document like toilet paper before handing it over to people in the media who seem all too eager to reduce it to pulp for a paycheck. That alone is a sad commentary on one of the many divides that exists in America today.

I gather from your writing that you’ve punched a few holes in paper and some small furry creatures outside of suburbia. Keep in mind that you did those sporting activities in a safe peaceful environment. You might think this gives you some understanding of the ways of the world, its long history and what men are really capable of, but given my experiences I can see you hit far off the mark. Using a target as a metaphor, you missed the paper completely.

For you to label warnings from your fellow countrymen against possible future government overreach as “paranoia”, you further demonstrate willful ignorance of our history. In order for you to gain a better understanding of history and dispel your illusions of how things really work, I’d suggest you sit down with veterans from our many past and current wars. It would do you well to include Native American veterans among that group. The elders of those tribes could also educate you about a massive domestic genocide about which you are apparently clueless.

The Second Amendment, like the rest of the Bill of Rights and other founding documents, has nothing to do with sporting purposes. It’s about limiting government power and curtailing its ability to inflict harm on people. Once you understand that you might see the realm that the big boys play in and know they gamble with lives on a vast scale. It’s not a game for the faint-hearted, so I understand why the majority of Americans are in collective denial about this.

You touched upon the spiritual side which I acknowledge as helpful in addressing part of the root problem, but there are many factors to consider. Americans have a mindset problem. Attitude and education could go a long way toward addressing this, but then you run into the problem of competing and possibly irreconcilable philosophies. Maybe this large mass of diverse people living within our common border can no longer find a real middle ground on the national stage. We have to be honest about that possibility first.

The answer is not another one-size-fits-all directive proclaimed from that tired old oligarchy that hops between DC and the other mega-cities along the coasts while ignoring vast swaths of citizens in the fly-over states. Such rules always exempt the self-serving elite while screwing the middle class, but I’ll save you that tangent. We’ve come to a point in history again when it would be best for people who inhabit distant places to make their own decisions based upon their unique cultures. In all honesty Jackson, Michigan is now more different from federal DC than colonial Concord was from royal London. Since a monopolistic central authority has a tendency to trample on rights not long before it rolls over lives like a juggernaut, it would be best for more decisions to be localized again within the states. We need to return to respecting people and their belief systems. Maintaining diversity requires that we not interfere with different ways of life. Surely you and I could at least agree on that.

You are probably correct that given the current climate the majority of people in a few states wouldn’t want semi-automatic weapons with detachable magazines in civilian hands anymore. I’ll spare you the long tiring list of evidence that those same people have abrogated many other duties as citizens already, so their unwillingness to bear arms in defense of themselves and their state doesn’t surprise me. But, I can also assure you that the majority of people in other states would consider those same weapons as untouchable by the federal government. Those people are still willing to be responsible citizens and carry the burden of defense that the quiet gentle folk in other states won’t shoulder anymore.

I would suggest that the people decide the “gun issue” –among many other issues– at the state level. And, I would heartily encourage people move to where they might feel most at home. You’re welcome to live in a place where your neighbor doesn’t trust you to own a gun and I will live where I can own weapons in accordance with the belief system of the Founding Fathers. I believe it would be very apparent after a short time which states were comprised of active citizens and which were little more than pens for sheepish consumers. Then we’ll see who is safer and more prosperous in the future.
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Kenm123t
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You do not have to compromise on your natural rights.


We need to reduce mental illness by deporting proglibs back to the EU.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go; perchance it will wear smooth - certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine."
- Henry David Thoreau, "Civil Disobedience

I have the distinct feeling that if the Libtards actually READ Thoreau, instead of placating him to postcard platitudes, he would suredly be named an enemy of the state today.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 08:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Was I too hard on Ducxl?

It's not really fair to do a line by line rebuttal, and I may have stepped over the line. If I have, I apologize.

Still, a shotgun or a .22 rifle is a WMD? Holy crap!

What does that make my buddy's Ballista? Or the Trebuchet another guy I know has built as a legal trailer? ( he shoots bowling balls discarded by the local alley. About 300 yards and the holes and spin a Treb' puts on a projectile makes this eerie warbling whistle.... )
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BTW the term "pistol grip" is.... well, variable. The law is deliberately vague, and refers to a pistol grip as one that "protrudes" below the gun.
Just because that means, more or less, an AK style grip doesn't mean that next week it won't refer to the "pistol grip" style of stock we are all used to.

Pistol grip as opposed to "upland" or "English" straight stock, see nagant pics in link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_grip

New York's new bid to promote the Gov for Prez is so badly written they didn't exempt police. I "arrested" ( verbally, as a joke ) a Deputy last week for having too many bullets. As another Deputy came up I released the arrested on on his own recognizance. Then was informed by the second one that the law is so messed up you technically could load 7 rounds in a 30 rd magazine and be legal. I have not verified this Don't try this at home!

The law is being re-written and amended as we speak. The final version that will end up being taken to court is unknown.
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, January 29, 2013 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the second ammendment means nothing when they want to make a new constitution, and a new bill of rights
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/29 /Sunstein-Obama-Wants-Second-Bill-of-Rights
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Rick_a
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 12:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All the terms they use; "assault weapon" "high capacity" and the latest "assault magazine" are erroneous names intended to deceive the uninitiated.

Innocent sporting/hunting shotgun:

Safe for use against clays and game. Can be owned by the public. Will not fall into the wrong hands. Can be passed down to family members.

Evil assault/mass murdering shotgun:

Cannot be trusted in the hands of ordinary citizens. Will corrupt the innocents. Military, government, or police use only. Any remaining should be destroyed with owners passing. Those found not registered will be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
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Geedee
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 02:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"GEEDEE, your video is radical. Our country is IN a coup?"

Coup
masterstroke, accomplishment, action, deed, exploit, manoeuvre, stunt.
Collins English Thesauros



So yes, your country is in a coup.


"Being taken over by corporate ZIONIST banks? REALLY? It's the Jews fault?"

Ducxl, don't mistake Judaism with Zionism. Some Jews are Zionists, not all Zionists are Jews. Please don't fall for the religious / racist propaganda. I didn't mention the Jews.

Zionism and religion
Zionism is not a religious movement, and Israel is not the state of the Jewish religion. The Jewish religious establishment was originally opposed to Zionism, and then tried to take over or direct the movement. There are religious Zionists, who have their own motivations for adhering to Zionism, and Zionism was certainly meant to include religious Jews, but Herzl, Weizmann and other Zionist leaders were not observant Jews and approached Zionism as a national problem, not as a religious issue.

What is Zionism?
"Zionism is a movement founded by Theodor Herzl in 1896 whose goal is the return of Jews to Eretz Yisrael, or Zion, the Jewish synonym for Jerusalem and the Land of Israel.

The name of "Zionism" comes from the hill Zion, the hill on which the Temple of Jerusalem was situated.

Supporters of this movement are called "Zionists".

Today there is much confusion among Jews over the meaning of the term Zionism. It means different things to different people."




http://www.truetorahjews.org/whatiszionism

"The purpose of this website is to explain why traditional Jews do not support Zionism (the return to the land called "Israel") and why the Zionist idealogy is totally contrary to traditional Jewish law and beliefs and the teachings of the Holy Torah."

"Socialist Zionism (or Labor Zionism) strove to achieve Jewish national and social redemption by fusing Zionism with Socialism. Its founder was Nachman Syrkin, who promulgated this view shortly before the third Zionist Congress (1899)."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionis m/Socialist_Zionism.html

"Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism; the latter term has been corrupted to where today its use is as a powerful word weapon smear tactic to prevent Americans from discussing, realizing, and reacting to the horrific danger that Zionism presents to not only our nation, but also to the peace, safety and freedom of the entire world. And that threat can be summarized as the Zionist’s "global agenda."

Few Americans are aware that the statist Jews that created Israel were under the direction, funding, support and protection of the Zionist, communist, Rothschild-led international banking cartel. And this group of secret, international bankers, often referred to as the Illuminati, was behind the Balfour Declaration, the Versailles Treaty, and America’s involvement in both World Wars I and II. Millions of people have been murdered, maimed, enslaved and impoverished by this secret, Zionist and communist banking cartel."

http://www.cephas-library.com/nwo/nwo_zionist_agen da_controls_goliath.html


And yes, you have been taken over by the Corporate Zionist Banks. What do you think the Federal Reserve is? What do you think Goldman Sachs is? What do you think the Bank of England is? What do you think the Bank of International Settlements is?

Is Ra El was founded by the Rothschild Banking family. It is their fiefdom. Mossad are their private intelligence agency.


Who do you think was behind the Russian 'Revolution'? Who do you think was behind the French Revolution? Who do you think was behind the first American Revolution? Who do you think set up the United Nations?

You are participating in the second American Revolution, but you don't seem to realise it, yet.



After they have your guns, you will be starved.

Some (Rothschild) Zionist agents controlling America - David Axelrod, Rahm Emanuel, George Soros, Henry Kissinger, Cass Sunstein, Carol Browner, Todd Stern, Paul Adolph Volcker, James D. Wolfensohn, Alan Greenspan, Robert E. Rubin, Larry Summers, Peter Orszag, Timothy Geithner, Jacob Lew, Bernard Bernanke, David Millstone, Paul Wolfowitz, Lloyd Blankfein, Marcus Goldman, Samuel Sachs, Lee Rosenberg, Thomas L. Friedman, James Tisch, David Frum, William Galston, Herman Kahn, Larry Silverstein, Frank Lowy, Lewis Eisenberg, Ronald S. Lauder, Michael B. Mukasey, Dianne Feinstein and on and on and on. Political Zionists with an agenda, everyone of them.

While they have you discussing guns and stuff, don't forget to watch what else they are up to.

Cognitive dissonance is easily cured.
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Sifo
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

MSNBC has been caught again, editing video to completely change what happened. They were caught doing this multiple times with recordings of George Zimmerman's 911 call, now they are editing testimony of parents of the Sandy Hook shooting. This one is absolutely clear, as the host, Martin Bashir uses the edit to make the point that hecklers were interrupting the parent. The unedited tape clearly shows the parent asking for anyone to give a reason why they need this sort of weapon. News?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/29/msnbc-c aught-selectively-editing-another-clip-this-time-o f-sandy-hook-victims-father/
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Kurbennett
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Interesting, I can envision the early colonists sitting around a table in the pub discussing their displeasure with the English Monarchy.

From Wiki:

In 2000 historian Robert Calhoon said the consensus of historians is that in the Thirteen Colonies between 40 and 45 percent of the white population supported the Patriots' cause, between 15 and 20% supported the Loyalists, and the remainder were neutral or kept a low profile
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Ducxl
Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2013 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Was I too hard on Ducxl?




NO,you weren't. Playing devil's advocate is how i learn the issues.Since my last interaction here i've spoken at length with a co-worker who's also a bonafide gunsmith/FFL holder.I accept the 2nd is about personal safety.The CSPAN hearings this morning are TOO partisan.They were informative though as well.Thanks for the insight.

"shall not be infringed" OK

I also recognise we don't ban cars because drunk drivers kill/w them
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