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     Cityxslicker |
You only think it isn't coming, because you cannot remember it happening before. But when you peel away at the layers of the onion, you will see, not only has it happened before, it will happen again, and in greater extent. What I was trained for was only the very tip of the iceberg. Go read the Open Source Army MP manuals; they are indeed gaming and ramping up for the event. To think otherwise flies in the face of nearly two decades of preparations. | ||
| Fahren |
CONPLAN 3502... ...would indicate that "yes" would be the correct answer to the OP question. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
On the up side, today's modern military relies entirely too much on sensors, remote technology, and passive capture of open source: draw what you will from two notable examples. A Nors Teen landed a small private prop plane in the Middle of Red Square because he was not broadcasting a radio, a beacon, an IFF, nor did his wooden plane return a sufficient signal to fix sensors - he eluded one of the most heavily monitored corridors in aviation history. In the late 80s- a Pacific Navy's Carrier Battle Group was to sail from San Diego to Japan - but instead of traveling their normal route; they shut off all radio, sonar, and communications - and headed north to Alaska - they 'disappeared' for nearly a week and a half. Popped up loud and live off the Kamchatka - Ivan Shiat his pants. Its all open source - EMCON - Emissions Control - your friend when tech is your enemy. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
a little digging - very little http://thenewalexandrialibrary.com/armysurvey.html | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
"1 in 4 Marines said they would fire"... the other 3 would shoot his ass dead faster than you could say "Blood makes the grass grow" | ||
| Cityxslicker |
It is of note, every Mass killing and Genocide that I have been deployed, has been at the auspices, request and command of NATO/UN and filled in a joint liaison capacity with on ground local law enforcement or 'ordained' governments. We (the US components of the Units I served in) were 'never' there. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Yep, 'professor' at WestPoint has postulated that 'Right Wing' Radicals that want limited government should be considered terrorists, extremists, enemy of the state. Enjoy. http://preview.tinyurl.com/bas5q9q | ||
| Seanp |
I taught military history at West Point for three years and I always enjoyed discussing the beginnings of the Civil War. We would often compare the leaders of the American Revolutionary War with the leadership of the Confederate States of America, debating whether one was right or wrong. Rest assured, there are plenty of intelligent young men and women leading our Army who have already thought about what they would do in a time of internal conflict. And I'll admit, it's one of those things that I hope we never face, because there just isn't a good answer. The leaders of both the Union and the Confederacy thought they were on the "right" side, and there were many officers who had to make the decision to essentially attack their fellow Americans to support their side's interpretation of the Constitution. | ||
| Fb1 |
The leaders of both the Union and the Confederacy thought they were on the "right" side, and there were many officers who had to make the decision to essentially attack their fellow Americans to support their side's interpretation of the Constitution. Sean, this isn't meant as an argument, and you've certainly got more "schooling" than I on Civil War history, but my personal take is that the leaders of the Confederacy believed their cause was just and right, and the leaders of the Union were simply following orders and doing their job. As examples, General Lee strikes me as man who believed the South's cause was just, whereas General Grant strikes me as a man who was simply following orders. Good to see your name pop up here on the QB. Best, FB | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Slavery of Finance, Capital and Industry vs Agriculture, Labor, and Transportation sheep vs cattle. battle as old as any open field. | ||
| Fb1 |
Sean, you may (or may not) find this an interesting read:
Source and much more: http://patriotpost.us/alexander/3181 Best, FB | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Furthermore, Lincoln was no fan of the negro. He was a racist. “I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. And I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. … And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” – Abraham Lincoln | ||
| Sifo |
Furthermore, Lincoln was no fan of the negro. He was a racist. I would tend to say it's a bit more complicated than that. In fact during the Lincoln-Douglas debates, which your quote is taken from, Douglas was calling Lincoln a n*ger lover. There's more to that paragraph BTW... "I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. My understanding is that I can just let her alone." Seems to me that he didn't see it possible that the races would ever be likely to co-exist in equality. To this point, we have proven Lincoln to be correct. Does that make him racist or just wise? From a pragmatic point of view, it the races will never be equal, but will always have one or the other in the superior position, who wouldn't want themselves to be in the superior position? Rather than argue the history since Lincoln's time has proven him correct about the races not co-existing equally though, it's probably more correct to say that Lincoln learned from all of the recorded history that came before him that the races wouldn't co-exist equally. That's more of an observation on Lincoln's part, not his personal view. It seems to me that his personal view was more along the lines of the part that reads... "My understanding is that I can just let her alone." | ||
| Seanp |
Lincoln was far more determined to maintain the Union, and wasn't concerned if a single slave was set free in the process. Only after Antietam did he see the value in issuing the Emancipation Proclamation, knowing it was a strategic move to keep Europeans from helping the Confederacy. Lincoln definitely kept a police state during the Civil War, but he wasn't the first or last to do so! | ||
| Blake |
Amazing how some are able to channel the beliefs, intents, and motivations of Abraham Lincoln. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Consolidation of power seems to have been Lincoln's agenda. Same thing with Obama. Where do the crocodiles fit in? | ||
| Seanp |
Nobody can channel his beliefs, Blake, but if you've read enough written by and about him, you can gain a good understanding of his stance on contemporary events. Unless, of course, you're a strict postmodernist. But then you'd think the Bible and Constitution were open for different interpretations...  | ||
| Fb1 |
Lincoln definitely kept a police state during the Civil War... Which makes it difficult for me to believe that the leaders of the North thought they were on the "right" side. | ||
| Seanp |
Well it wasn't like Stalinist Russia or anything, but they had curfews and suspended habeas corpus. He took action against media who were outspoken against the war as well. However, Jeff Davis took similar measures in the south. And like I said, Lincoln was not the last President to tighten the reins, so to speak, during a war. Wilson, FDR, LBJ, etc. all took steps to maintain better domestic control during foreign wars. For an interesting read on a Union leader who thought he was on the "right" side, read Sherman's memoirs, especially the letters between him and the city council of Atlanta in 1864. It's interesting to see his take on the war and how it should be fought. | ||
| Sifo |
Which makes it difficult for me to believe that the leaders of the North thought they were on the "right" side. Worthy point. At the same time, I have a hard time believing the south really thought slavery was the correct states rights issue to go to war over. | ||
| Ducbsa |
The slaves were a tremendous financial asset and the key to the South's economy. Also, the fear of revenge after a slave uprising was held by all, not just the slaveholders. | ||
| Pwnzor |
Also, the fear of revenge after a slave uprising was held by all, not just the slaveholders. Their fears were not unfounded. Mutiny in Houston | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
US Military turning against their own citizens? Yep, happened before here. WW2, the internment camps they didn't kill, like a Nazi Germany situation etc, but locked up many Asian-Americans just for being Asian. I fully believe that what happened in the past could happen again. | ||
| Chauly |
"Yep, happened before here. WW2, the internment camps they didn't kill, like a Nazi Germany situation etc, but locked up many Asian-Americans just for being Asian. " And that happened under the watch of another of 0's heroes, FDR... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
and? So Obama liked FDR, MANY people liked FDR, big deal Take off your anti-Obama blinders every now and then, you'll see the world aint nearly as bad as you think | ||
| Chauly |
Good grief, I was pointing out that he has compared himself "favorably" to FDR and Lincoln, and since he thinks highly of them, he may want to emulate them in that detail. Read "The Forgotten Man" by Amity Shaes for a detailed examination of the FDR years through the 1940 election. It is a bit creepy that many of FDR's experiments with the economy foreshadow Mr. 0's actions during this economy; it may not stop with the economy... "Just remember: What Mr. Roosevelt didn't know about the economy, Mr. Obama doesn't either!" | ||
| Boltrider |
Chauly, I read that one. The reality of the poor sap that must pay for all the government meddling is just as true today as it was back then. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Not a fan of FDR - for all the same reasons I hate Obama. FDR also instituted the Nazi serialization and catalogue of every 'citizen' in the country - our tattoo is digital rather than scarred ; but it is never the less every bit as insidious | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
How can you compare SSN (assuming that's what you are referring to) to Nazi's tattooing a number on Jews to send them to their death and work camps? stretching. | ||
| Buellerandy |
Even more shocking- http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/shock-claim- the-new-litmus-test-of-leadership-in-the-military- is-if-they-will-fire-on-us-citizens-or-not_0122201 3 http://www.infowars.com/nobel-peace-prize-nominee- obama-asks-military-leaders-if-they-will-fire-on-u s-citizens/ |
