Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 12:12 am:
if you don't report it there is no crime.... interesting - that didn't seem to work in the Soviet Union; there was no 'official' crime for 60 years - nor starvation, rape, HIV (10 years) or unemployment..... Yep - stop the presses and problem will go away - let us have only happy news too ! ....
This anti gun thing has spooled out of control. My nephew spent the summer learning the shot gun and going to a camp for competitive shooting. when he did a collage of what he did this summer - he got sent to the principals office for a ....wait for it.... Picture of him holding the shot gun - because of a zero tolerance policy. The kid is good with a gun, and knows his way around it - safely. F'n liberals need to hone in on the real problem - broken stupid medicated kids - it aint the gun.
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 03:04 am:
Nice post Wil (UlyRanger).
Dana,
>>> Hell yeah Blake Glocks and the like everywhere.lol Geez Bro you should here yourself.lol
What about our constitutionally protected right to carry a gun are you confused about? If any adult obtains licensure to carry a concealed handgun, the law clearly states that they may do so.
Geez bro, you should learn the law. The anti gun fascists of Illinois just got schooled on our constitutionally protected right to bear arms. You miss that?
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 07:34 am:
Exodus 21:23-25
23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Leviticus 24:17-22
17 “‘Anyone who takes the life of a human being is to be put to death. 18 Anyone who takes the life of someone’s animal must make restitution—life for life. 19 Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury. 21 Whoever kills an animal must make restitution, but whoever kills a human being is to be put to death. 22 You are to have the same law for the foreigner and the native-born. I am the Lord your God.’”
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 08:00 am:
That would be Psalms? and Mark?
If Psalms, then the meek shall inherit by the blood of the bold giving them the Earth.
The meek shall have no rest, no peace and no freedom without the rough men who stand ready to protect them. ( unless, of course, the meek submit to the rule of men who see the Final Prophet's words as law for all men in the Dar al Islam. Then you'd have to give up that Bible stuff, eh? )
Besides, Yes, I will be packing. My faith calls for me to stand by the side of the good in the final battle. ( it is assumed that will be long after my death, but if these are the Christian End Times, it could well be corporeal. )
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 09:55 am:
when do they get to see themselves glorified on tv?? they don't, they are either dead (suicide) or in solitary, being questioned etc etc. The only time they get to see media is when they get transported or in court. I would like to think they do NOT give them a TV to watch the media while waiting for trial.
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 10:05 am:
The Principal and the School Psychologist both died lunging at the shooter trying to end the attack. Once again, they died LUNGING at the shooter. If they had the time and the presence of mind to lunge at the attacker, they would have had the time and the presence of mind to put a bullet center mass.
I have no doubt at all that if one of them was carrying it all would have ended right then and there with a bad guy dead.
Also, IMO, we have to stop giving these aholes any type of recognition. That being the case, as far as I am concerned, I will never utter that aholes name ever again. He will just be known as the Shooter or that Ahole. Maybe that is how EVERYONE should approach these tragedies. If there is no fame and notoriety associated with these acts, maybe the appeal of such a horrible act is gone and maybe the aholes will think twice. Maybe they will just off themselves in their basement instead of attacking innocent people.
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 10:18 am:
Oh, i think i see the point about the fame.. the next killer watches it... and see's the glorification and knows that is what will happen for him too.. after he is gone. That is (partly) what they are seeking?
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 10:21 am:
I don't know how anyone can not agree with most points made in this thread about the principle and/or others ccw'ing and stopping this tragedy in it's tracks.
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 10:33 am:
I think high capacity magazines will be targeted. And I am sure they will go after the AR's and AK's too and what we might end up with is regulations nationally that are similar to what California and Conn, NY, etc already have.
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 11:48 am:
I've enjoyed sharing view points in this thread with those who can rationally discuss this. I think I've made my views clear by now and plan to, for the most part, just follow it after this post.
I find it interesting, that some have a similar view as many high profile, rich anti-gun types. Basically, no guns for you or me, but that's OK because I can afford to pay for "special" people with guns to protect me and mine. Most school districts are already on a very tight budget and a private security force is expensive. I have no problem with that, but there are very affordable, alternatives that have also proven themselves safe and effective. CC is exactly that. I'm in favor of an all of the above approach, including better understanding of what makes these people snap and do this.
Quoting Bible verses to support an anti-gun agenda? Is that REALLY where you want to go in determining the laws of our country? I didn't think so.
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 12:22 pm:
Someone posted this earlier. It pretty well makes the point.
The 2nd Amendment does not exist so we can go go hunting or sport shooting; it's purpose is to ensure our ability to defend life and liberty against any attackers, namely thieves, murderers, and a tyrannical govt.
The Democrats and their fellow gun control advocates don't want the people to own the weapons most capable of fulfilling the intent of the 2nd Amendment.
The leftist elites who enjoy professional armed security protection, don't want to feel threatened by working class freedom-loving Americans. T
Either we have the rule of law, or we have tyranny.
How do we defend our unalienable G_d-given rights?
1. Return to being a more virtuous nation. Restore respect for human life and personal responsibility, and restore shame towards irresponsibility.
2. Dispose of the federal oligarchy. Amend the Constitution to impose new terms and term limits on senators (2 four yr terms = 8 yrs) and on representatives (4 two yr terms = 8 yrs), just as we've imposed on the presidency.
3. End all federal govt subsidies, thus ending corporate cronyism.
4. Dispose of federal income tax in favor of a sales tax, including a small tax, say 0.3%, on all market-based purchases of stock, bonds, commodities, or any other financial vehicle of investment, no exceptions.
5. Institute a balanced budget Amendment and rainy day fund.
6. Level the trade playing field. Tax imports from nations that fail to meet basic standards for worker safety, child labor, freedom of the press and religion, basic environmental standards, etc. Yes including oil imports.
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 05:21 pm:
This is a long quote, but really worth reading, as it puts so much of this in perfect focus:
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I think we can all agree that a man walking in to an elementary school and opening fire is deeply, deeply horrific. And in the gut-wrenching social introspection that comes afterwards, the desire to 'do something' is understandable.
These days, the role of government in the west has become so bloated that it's commonplace for people to look to their political leaders when they want something done.
And politicians, who are bent on keeping their jobs, are keen to be seen as taking action.
And so here we are again, after another terrible tragedy which involved (a) death, and (b) firearms, with calls to restrict firearm ownership, particularly high-powered assault rifles.
Again, in fairness, the reaction is understandable. Most folks have such an emotional response, they just want to do something... often without thinking through the long-term consequences or all sides of the issues.
Unfortunately, the root cause of such issues is often misdiagnosed, hence the response is ill-conceived. This is often how wars get started. Pearl Harbor. 9/11. Etc.
In this case, some nut job shoots up a school with assault weapons, so the response is to ban assault weapons. But is access to assault weapons really the root cause of the issue? Or, to paraphrase Chris Rock, are some people simply crazy?
History shows that there have been countless crazed psychopaths who kill wantonly, indiscriminately, without the use of assault rifles:
- Seung-Hui Cho, the 2007 Virginia Tech killer (he used two handguns) - Luis Garavito, a Colombian mass murderer who killed hundreds of children with just a knife - Mary Ann Cotton, a 19th century mass murderer in England who poisoned her victims - Countess Elizabeth Bathory, a 16th century Hungarian who tortured and killed hundreds
Some people just aren't wired right. It's always been that way. Before firearms, before violent movies, before video games... there have always been crazy nuts.
Passing laws doesn't change any of this. Government cannot protect us from all the bad people out there. Bathing travelers in radiation doesn't make us any safer. Fondling children at airports doesn't make us any safer. Invading foreign countries doesn't make us any safer.
Neither will banning assault rifles. Bad guys will always find a way, either commandeering a killing machine illegally, or reverting to something more old school. As Lao Tzu once wrote, "The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be."
On that note, there's a deeper issue that is seldom mentioned in the gun control debate. Yes, every year, innocent people die because of violence. But there is no greater mass murderer in history than government.
When a lone gunman kills 32 people at an elementary school, it's a tragedy. When a government drops bombs on an elementary school by remote control drone, it's collateral damage. No biggie.
Governments have a horrible track record of murder, pillage, and genocide, and they have the blood of millions of victims on their hands. The Founding Fathers in the United States knew this. And the premise of the Constitution's Second Amendment, the right to bear arms, is based on this idea.
Yes, people need protection against those who mean to do them harm. But occasionally, people also need protection from those who are sworn to protect them. Given history's numerous examples of once stable nations descending into murderous rampages, it's both foolish and intellectually dishonest to dismiss this point.
Some people argue, 'well the Founding Fathers never intended for us to have assault rifles, which didn't exist back then.' Sure, maybe. But they also never intended for government to have nukes, drones, body scanners, or Homeland Security urban assault vehicles.
A well-armed populace is a major deterrent in keeping government responsible, as well as keeping bad guys away. Willfully giving up this advantage out of fear is a poor choice. It means that we have no other option but to trust the goodwill, and competence, of government agents to keep us safe.
There's little that's more important than the well-being of ourselves and our families. And when an entire society considers abandoning that responsibility, choosing instead to outsource it to corrupt bureaucrats and jack-booted thugs, this marks a major turning point that your nation is about to go down a very precarious road.
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2012 - 07:58 pm:
Unfortunately, there was a rumor at one of our schools today going around among the students that this Friday there was going to be wide scale shootings at schools all across the country. Some of the kids are pretty freaked out about this. Pisses me off that someone would even think to start such a rumor.
I saw a bit on the news this morning about a company making kids backpacks with body armor. Are parents really going to freak out their kids by telling them that their new book bag has bullet proof armor they should hide behind if a bad guy starts shooting up their school?
Our country has gone bat-shit-crazy. People really need to get a grip.
Quoting Bible verses to support an anti-gun agenda? Is that REALLY where you want to go in determining the laws of our country?
In God we trust ?
How ? By inventing your own rules and forgetting Gods'! I might be stupid but even I can see if you are claiming to trust in God then His rules are the ones to follow.
I'm not about to call for stopping giving people thought "sick in the head" drugs to help them cope. It is a real problem that some of the more popular psychoactive drugs issued, legally, by doctors can cause suicide/despondancy/violent acts by messing with the brain so that judgment is impaired. The Worst part of that is that stopping a drug a person is stable & relatively happy on can do that.
Often such drugs induce a feeling of unreality. It can be hard to be in an artificial state day in and day out. Often antipsychotic drugs make a person feel slow, hampered, shut down. Small differences in dosage can mean the difference between "normal" seeming, and sedated. It is actually understandable that some people "go off their meds". Imagine, if you have no experience in these things, that you take a pill that makes you feel stupid. The doctor says you HAVE to take it every day, a court may make it a ruling that you be doped up, your family may keep assuring you you are doing better, but it may not feel that way.
Often, in what used to be called manic-depressive, or bi-polar, the same drugs that keep you from spending days locked in your room with no will to go out and function, also keep you from having the "good times" when you clean the whole house in one rush of purpose, propose to the one you love, solve crossword puzzles in minutes, in pen........ You may feel dull and grey all the time. Going off the meds can cause near instant change, or set up a timebomb of emotion, purpose, violence, irrationality.
It's not a simple subject. It's not a real science in many ways. Trial and error to find a proper dose, a proper drug since each person has different genetics and other chemical influences. ( alcohol, dozens of household & industrial chemicals that combine in the system with drugs in odd ways... Freaking Grapefruit is famous for amping up, toning down, or negating altogether drugs from antibiotics, though heart/blood pressure/anticlotting drugs and, yes, psychotropics. )
The press on the Newton disaster is all over the map. Quite wrong stuff is repeated as gospel. The competency of the "media" is on display, and they just suck. Morons.
So we may never be told what the heck went on with this young man and his mother, and the school. The police may never figure it out. No one will ever be sure what HE thought was Why he did what he did.
So. Just be careful. Be kind. Pay attention to those you know who need help with drugs to be "normal". Read the damn instructions. Ask questions of your doctor.
And don't ever be too hung up on meeting the current, this week fashion/societal norms. If you/they aren't hurting other people, hurting themselves, or filled with irrational anger, they are probably doing ok. ( there may be reason for rational anger. that should be addressed and not blown off. Sometimes there's nothing you can do about the Universe. Like when Crazy people kill. Or idiots talk crap about it. Deal. Learn to deal. Help others to deal. )
This rant is brought to you by... experience with a stop smoking drug that cranked my ADD up to 11. And I felt it. Observations of others over many years, and some really pissed off doctors dealing with schools and ADD drugs. ( that's what I get for hanging around with teachers & Medicos )