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     Union_man |
Stereotype confirmed. The Republicans have proven that they only defend Millionaires. Yesterday’s (12/20) Republican fiasco was embarrassing. Tribalism has replaced leadership in the GOP. We are watching a snake eat its own tail. I feel this way, and I am not alone. 53% of Americans feel that the Republican Party is "Too Extreme".  | ||
| Ducbsa |
Two big questions are out there: 1. How many weeks of the current rate of spending would the Obama-advocated additional taxes on the Rich cover? I believe the answer is maybe eight. If so, that seems like a cynically dishonest way to claim to reduce the deficit. 2. If we continue at this current rate of spending, how will we ever pay for it? How much are we selfishly passing on to our children and grandchildren? To me, the "greedy" title applies to anyone who doesn't advocate actual decrease of spending. By "actual", I don't mean happy talk about reductions in the future. Sorry for typing oppose, that didn't make sense. (Message edited by ducbsa on December 21, 2012) | ||
| Cowboy |
Question--Do the democrats and unions want to send the few remaining jobs over seas? | ||
| Union_man |
 Same spew. Regurgitating the same old platitudes will no longer work. You have lost the argument. I am sorry to be the one to tell you. The pendulum is swinging away from the right. The Republicans inability to recognize the publics sentiment, will do nothing but increase the momentum of the swing. | ||
| Malott442 |
*Long message deleted after self-administering troll repellent.* This thread should be in the backfire board. Things are going to get ugly. The only thing a conservative hates more than the liberal's tax ideas is their backhanded and small minded remarks. And vice versa. | ||
| Ducbsa |
Is asking for how more taxes on the Rich will actually reduce the deficit and how we will pay for the incredible spending a platitude? Seems like adult-type questions | ||
| Union_man |
Bad Ideas. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robi nson-the-peril-of-a-perceptive-gop/2012/12/10/3f72 b764-430b-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_story.html | ||
| Glitch |
Let's say they start at the beginning, like say...with a budget? | ||
| Kilroy |
Union Man - the country has now made its bed - YOU lay in it. Explain to your grandchildren why they are living in such misery in 20 years, if the good ol' USA is even around at that point. The lack of common sense, piss poor decision making, and general misunderstanding of reality of your new majority WILL kill this country, we all witnessed chapter 1 about 7 weeks ago. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
Plan B as in Bull Shit? Now we see why our "do nothing" Congress has an overall approval rating of just less than 15%. This is going to be the end of the Republican party as we know now. | ||
| Sifo |
You can't raise taxes enough to cover the spending we are doing. BO refuses any real spending cuts. End of story. Prepare for it. | ||
| Xdigitalx |
It's both the Dems and Repubs... why blame just one side? Takes 2 to tango. SPEW = anything that comes out of Pelosi's mouth. | ||
| Malott442 |
ducsba- I didn't have to even answer back. You know as well as I do where this thread is heading. No one in here can actively make a difference at this point in time. All we can do is sit and wait (and in this thread vent some steam). You can feel the tension building in this thread, people get so hurt in the butt you would think this was a proctology discussion forum. Blame placing will never get us anywhere. People of high intelligence speak of new ideas. People of average intelligence speak of the weather. People of low intelligence speak of other people. I guess that makes me an idiot as well. Happy holidays, er, i mean- Merry Christmas! Matt out- (Message edited by malott442 on December 21, 2012) | ||
| Sifo |
I really do blame both. One side will have us bankrupt on Wednesday. The other side will have us bankrupt on Thursday. I do blame the Wednesday crowd more though. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
No Piglet ever voted itself off the teet | ||
| Geedee |
Wise up guys. You have the greatest form of government ever offered to humanity. It is not perfect. Stop blaming each other, unite, and do something positive about the situation. You are all Americans, and your differences of opinion are minor in the grander scheme of things. The whole purpose of your system was to enable you all to have different opinions yet flourish in freedom as a nation. Stop playing their game. "The chief problem of American political life for a long time has been how to make the two Congressional parties more national and international. The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy… [E]ither party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigorless. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of those things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies." Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, pp. 1247-48). "In one paragraph, we have the answer to why key Barack Obama policies (especially foreign and monetary) actually further what was in place under George W. Bush, who was in turn furthering key policies in place under Bill Clinton, who furthered trade policies begun during the Reagan-Bush years, and so on, for as many presidents as you want to count. Moreover despite their visible battles in Washington, Clinton and Newt Gingrich did not disagree over the perceived need for a World Trade Organization (WTO). Not a single president or major-party nominee or Speaker of the House since the 1960s has questioned the supremacy of the Federal Reserve in directing monetary policy in the U.S.; not a single president or nominee or Speaker has questioned the war machine or our “responsibility” to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations (very often, making enemies in the process). No one of the mainstream, not even libertarians, questions “free trade.” Today, of course, no one in the vetted mainstream questions the “war on terror” or the official account of the 9/11 attacks." http://wariscrime.com/new/directed-history-is-not- conspiracy-theory/ I wish you all a Happy and Peaceful Christmas, because I can. It's the 22nd over here, and the world hasn't ended yet, so there is hope for you all for a 2013. Don't blow it. | ||
| Two_seasons |
Geedee, you've got it right. Both sides are to blame. Unionman, what you are seeing right now is the entrenched Repubs not making nice with the conservative Tea Party folks that have been elected. The entrenched crowd likes to wheel and deal with the Dems. All they do is trade "pork". Conservatives on the Right want real reforms. House of Reps control the spending. I say shut it down until the Obama Admin presents a budget, something they haven't done in four years! Then, go from there! Anybody see Paul Ryan lately? | ||
| Cowboy |
I agree it was nice when we had two true parties.=====Problem sdtarted when the socialist started creeping in.----it is sad that some donot reconise it. I WISH every one here a merry CHRISTMAS AND A BETTER FUTURE. | ||
| Sifo |
I have to agree with Geedee. I also have to agree with Cowboy. We have a big problem right now though. We have just elected, for another four years, a President who works to divide our country. A slight majority voted for this divisiveness, and BO has little to stop him from going full steam ahead, and all signs show he will. Frankly, I'll be happy if we don't have civil war in the next four years. Plenty of people seem to be preparing for that, and the government seems to be provoking them further. It's just the course we are on. Merry Christmas and a happy end of the world! | ||
| Kenm123t |
Union man welcome to the unemployment line. Sequestration will end the jobs of thousands of people Obama has said he will not fine the employers for not informing the workers as prescribed by law Unfortunatley he does have that power alone to rewrite contracts The vendors will pay the workers and the Fines and will rightfully sue and win damages wasteing many years and millions of dollars You so called leader has failed present a budget of any kind he has run wild with the countrys money The proper course for the Republicans in the house THE ADULTS is to shut down the whole gov until such time as a proper and realistic budget is presented. If obama admin is incapable of presenting a real budget he should resign. | ||
| Aesquire |
geedee, very good Carroll Quigley quote. Cynical, pessimistic, rational. I agree. Two seasons has the right of the politics of it, it's the establishment Republican Party against the new guys. The tea party. So the D's are winning the propaganda fight, and the R's are backed into a corner on raising taxes, ( which will hurt the economy, and their image ) The D's have done this before and they figure they can get the taxes promising cuts, and not deliver. That's how they screwed Bush the Elder. The figure I heard for the income from the Obama version of a tax hike, was 8 days, but that was radio in passing. use salt. I also saw that 6 of those days were going to new spending so total taxes of 2 days. Question. The tea party as I understand it, I'm not one of them, is a fiscal conservative ( yeah! ) social conservative ( booo! ) libertarian leaning ( yeah! ) group. The idea, as I get it, is to do fiscal first and argue about the rest later. Is that about right? Please correct me. A thought. Opinion. http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=56&load=7862 My opinion without pointing fingers at teh A$$'s in Congress, taxes have to go up, and I don't think these jerks will let spending go down. I have a very low opinion of their abilities and better qualities. Next election. Vote for the guy who is NOT in office. Please. I don't care the party. | ||
| Aesquire |
Union man. Your first line "....Millionaires." There's an element of truth in that ( bipartisan, you have to admit. ) and a glob of advertising. You repeat the buzzword of the day with glee. It's the "popular" opinion you are meant to have, spoonfed. Nice snark though. Tribalism? failure of the leadership? Yes. you betcha. I think that's a good thing, I can't stand the Establishment R guys. ( dislike the establishment D's more, so what? ) What's your opinion of the Tea party? I'd like a better R party. ( I want a better D party too ) | ||
| Two_seasons |
Aesquire, Tea Party membership is for fiscal responsibility, first and foremost. We're for border security, so if that means to you "social" (as it does some Catholics) then we differ on that point. We need clear thinking representatives for all people. Ones that will stand up and deliver the hard truths about where we are as a nation and where we are going. Did you see the article on Generation Y published the other day? | ||
| 99savage |
Aesquire Question. The tea party as I understand it, I'm not one of them, is a fiscal conservative ( yeah! ) social conservative ( booo! ) libertarian leaning ( yeah! ) group. The idea, as I get it, is to do fiscal first and argue about the rest later. Is that about right? Please correct me. I am one of them, or at least contribute & attend the local meetings as best possible. Fiscally modest (How can fiscal matters be "conservative", that is mathematics? - YES Socially "Conservative" - No Position BUT probably 2/3 of the participants are. Maximizing Personal Liberty - YES General opinions is the best way to maximize personal liberty is to minimize government. We are aware that sometimes "Social Conservatism" conflicts with personal liberty and think that it is a debate worth having but not under the auspices of "The TEA Party. Another point of internal friction is between those subscribing to a vigorous foriegn policy and those realizing that a security state is a. expensive & b. intrusive More later | ||
| Two_seasons |
Anyone seen Paul Ryan lately? | ||
| Aesquire |
Two Seasons, no, I consider "social" conservative to be... shall we say, more traditional sexual morals, monogamy, anti recreational drugs, 3 R's emphasis in schools, etc. There's a bit of a bell curve, of course. I agree with some aspects of social conservative, but have the libertarian "keep out of the bedroom" and living room, and garage, etc. 'tude. Border security I suppose could be thought of as conservative, but not IMHO social. Open borders isn't really liberal, but more anti-national, greedy exploiter, ( union and sweatshop owner ) maybe leftist. Also IMHO. ( the "catholics" thing is a matter of "liberation theology" neo-marxism, see Obama's spiritual mentors. ) 99savage, that fits with my understanding, and fills in some gaps. Thank you. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm "And when we disarmed they sold us And delivered us bound to our foes…" http://www.jerrypournelle.com/chaosmanor/?p=11170 | ||
| Two_seasons |
I'm all about helping out those among us, all of us, who need a helping hand. However, the "gaming of the system" is what I oppose. Our gub'ment even promotes on social media and cable/airwaves now! While some here "wag their finger" at us, they too will feel the FULL impact of a gub'ment that is run amuck..maybe later than those of us protesting it, but make no mistake, it will destroy all families in the process! Both parties are to blame. They wheel and deal in the dark corners of DC/state capitals/city hall, trading our liberties like it was for them to allot what portion goes to what man. All of us are the lessor for it. During the American Revolution of so long ago, there were few that wanted to fight the British and curtail their taking of the colonialist's liberties. As the good Lord's word says, there is nothing new under the sun. There is an historical perspective here today that mirrors our past government interaction with the people. I would encourage all of us these next few days to read the Bill of Rights and our Constitution. Both are amazing reads. They make sense to all but the wicked. | ||
| Sifo |
The real problem with the current fiscal talks is that BO doesn't care about fixing anything. He's more interested in blaming others. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-to-boehner-y ou-get-nothing-i-get-that-for-free/
BO is offering nothing and wants to blame others for the failure. This isn't leadership. It isn't getting our country to a better place. He is a divider, and is doing very well at dividing the country. Ask yourself, even before the threat of a new weapons ban, why were guns selling at a record pace? Has hunting become that popular? | ||
| Reindog |
Les jeux sont fait. (Message edited by reindog on December 23, 2012) | ||
| Geedee |
"BO is offering nothing and wants to blame others for the failure. This isn't leadership. It isn't getting our country to a better place. He is a divider, and is doing very well at dividing the country. Ask yourself, even before the threat of a new weapons ban, why were guns selling at a record pace? Has hunting become that popular?" Stop picking on poor Obama. He is doing exactly what he was 'elected' to do, as were his predecessors of the past 100 years or so. "A nation’s president or prime minister is thus limited to merely executing short-term management level decisions during their short tenures in office (usually, three or four years with, perhaps, one possible re-election term: clearly too short a span to consolidate continuity of power). They can be described as the “CEO’s” of our countries with clipped wings and permanently challenged by a similar tightly controlled group of pre-selected “opposition” candidates, also canvassed, screened and approved by the “Directors” and “Shareholders” of the Global Power Elite who control the whole democracy game, financing costly election campaigns and media-based PsyOps." https://sites.google.com/site/agenda21now/news/oba matheunagenda21 He's not there for you. Two Seasons is right. You have to fix it yourselves. | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3LnVa7zXgc interesting opinion... I'm with Penn & Glenn on the Constitution. |
