| Author | Message | ||
     Xdigitalx |
So,..thier pensions mean more to them then the possibility of innocent people being murdered? Got it. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
We need a boogyman to punish as well as inflict a political blow. Two birds with one stone. Americans will sigh in relief and go back to football and jersey shore. | ||
| Bads1 |
Tom we have officers in all our schools in Racine,Wi. Its been that way for years now.We had officers on duty in our High schools just 4 years after I graduated and that was 27 years ago. | ||
| Bads1 |
So,..thier pensions mean more to them then the possibility of innocent people being murdered? Got it. Nope it means the job isn't worth it anylonger. | ||
| Blake |
Boog, You characterized Americans as weak cowards. If you cannot take the heat in return, then get out of the kitchen. Either address the issues or take a hike. My words were harsh intentionally. In my view you have been misled and need shocked out of your brainwashed stupor. In a way, we agree, though the points between seem entirely opposite. Maybe we're both right. I do appreciate some of what you communicated. Do you think that the "right" to murder (ripped limb from limb) 50 MILLION innocent helpless unborn babies has contributed to the devaluation of human life as exhibited by these young mass-murderers? How can it not? | ||
| Blake |
Dana, So you've conducted a private survey of 600 teachers? Please. Pretending to speak for them is a stretch too far. Whatever, it doesn't matter. The point is that those who would like to be able to arm themselves ought to be permitted to do so. That's all. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
When we don't care for our brothers as instructed. We turn a blind eye to those that need our help the most and are the least able to help themselves. How would you characterize the above behavior? How do we as a nation justify this? I am in no stupor regarding this country its direction or the condition of our social fabric. The devaluation of human life as a whole is a contributing factor as you state 'how could it not?' We are our brothers keeper regardless of faith. We work together as one or we fall independently, we seem to have made our choice. It is my belief that until we stop drawing breath on this blue marble we have the opportunity to 'get it right'. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
oh Blakey, so silly. how many people play first person shooter games on a daily basis? How many copies of these sorts of games have been sold? And now compare those to the number of events like the CT shooting? And who said that the right to arms was a God given liberty? A man. Well, some men. Some men also say that soldiers are fags and will burn in hell, do you agree with that too? Youre right, I dont know, but YOU dont either. No one here does. THAT is my point. My point is to you and the other fools that suggest if someone was carrying that day this wouldve turned out differently. Silly talk. I cant wait to hear back from you, its always a laugh riot | ||
| Sifo |
Thanks for clarifying Bads1. No doubt that tends to deter folks with bad intent. It also creates more of a police state. What exactly is the right balance? I'm not sure. I am convinced that guns can deter violent acts. I'm not clear why folks who would never want to touch a gun fear others exercising that right. I've never flown a helicopter and would likely kill all on board if I tried, but I don't fear helicopters flown by those who have learned that skill, in fact have immensely enjoyed flight via eggbeater. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Other than tooting your own horn there is absolutely no value in being deliberately mean or condescending on an interwebs message board. At the very best it makes you look bad even if you're 'right' | ||
| Crackhead |
Bads1, Ask your wife how many facility members currently have a CCW permit. At my high school we had 1 admin that was retired police, 2 support staff, and 1 teacher that had CCW permits. Normally the admin and 1 of the support staff would be carrying. The Gun Free Zone Act provide exceptions for a state issued CCW permit holder. "(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;" Unfortunately, I think having facility with CCW permits is only common in high schools. | ||
| Sifo |
My point is to you and the other fools that suggest if someone was carrying that day this wouldve turned out differently. Not so much that it would have turned out differently, but that it could have turned out differently. There are few guarantees in life. | ||
| Bads1 |
So you've conducted a private survey of 600 teachers? Please. Pretending to speak for them is a stretch too far. Whatever, it doesn't matter. The point is that those who would like to be able to arm themselves ought to be permitted to do so. That's all. Blake you no read so good. My wife get it. Is a college instructor. They had a full 4 campus faculty meeting yesterday evening after finals in regards to what had happened. This subject was covered by the Dean of the school's and show of hands revealed they didn't want guns in the school. Our area Elementary,middle schools and High school's are conducting meeting's on the subject of what happened and what should be done to help prevent this from happening. So please don't belittle me. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
"Not so much that it would have turned out differently, but that it could have turned out differently. There are few guarantees in life." Truth there. | ||
| Bads1 |
Ask your wife how many facility members currently have a CCW permit. I'm quite sure there is some no doubt. Still the school as whole doesn't want to see it. We have are own police in the school's at this time. | ||
| Sifo |
This subject was covered by the Dean of the school's and show of hands revealed they didn't want guns in the school. Of course, as you have also just pointed out, this is in an area where they already have guns in the school. | ||
| Blake |
So then why did you behave in such a fashion? You characterized Americans as being weak cowards. Now you whine about return fire? Man up. Speak to the issues or not. We are (make exception for Owens, who prefers juvenile taunting) mostly men who ought to be able to speak frankly and candidly. Let's do. I think it's important to communicate accurately. Realize we are not attacking each other, but the ideas themselves. If an idea makes me sick to my stomach, I ought to be free to say so without fear of offending the author. | ||
| Bads1 |
Not the teachers though. The teachers need to teach. The police monitor the school's. Whether its in our public or are campus colleges where they have there own campus police | ||
| Sifo |
The gun cares not if it's held by a teacher, a cop, or a madman. That's largely my point. Guns do seem to part of the solution. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
I was characterizing the whole you were attacking me personally there is a difference. Me being offended by an anonymous stranger from the 'tubes'? hardly. I just point out your non-conformance to your own stated rules. feel free to actually discuss my points rather than attempt to get a rise out of me. | ||
| Blake |
To me it sounds like complaining hypocritically. You call people weak cowards then take offense at return fire. As to addressing issues, my post was lengthy and did so. It's you who've avoided the issues in favor of complaining. | ||
| Bads1 |
The teachers do care though. They are there to teach and that is there job. We the tax payers or community need to make sure they are safe as well as the class at what ever age. | ||
| Blake |
Dana, A teacher can teach just as we'll with a concealed weapon as without. The difference being that a teacher without a weapon may not be able to defend him/herself and his/her pupils from a deadly threat. Those who wish to arm themselves ought to be allowed to do so. A show of hands has no standing against our Constitution. Just wondering, what was the question asked, and what was the hand count? Had the question been worded "who favors allowing lawful trained and licensed adult firearms experts to carry them concealed on school premises in order that they might defend us from violent murderous attack" rather than "who wants guns at school", you figure the voting might sway differently? | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Yes it was a lengthy response laced with deriding and derogatory remarks about me. Generally speaking but not always I tend to avoid responding to people that go on an assault of me personally online, I will for the time being forgo the usual meme pics. Even though I do not feel as though I will get anywhere with you personally here you go: While the hand-wringers and blame America scum, those who characterize Americans as "cowards" to try to explain away the existence of evil, while such fools prevaricate, procrastinate and debate ad nauseum, men and women of principled resolve and courage will take measures to confront evil. By shooting them? Would it not be better to realize that a lot of these people you’ve classified as ‘evil’ are not in fact evil rather they are ill and need healing? When the self-loathing cowards come to strip G_d-given liberties from the courageous principled men and women under guise of protecting us all, evil will only expand its reach. Boogiman, reading your screed made me literally sick to my stomach. Wise up. Evil exists. Deal with it. Yes it does exist. Please for the sake of all that is good, reconsider your perspective on such issues. Americans are not cowards. You are the coward. Take a stand against evil. Don't excuse it or try to explain it. It's no different from cancer or any other disease. Live life according to the rules of rules, love your G_d with all your heart, mind and soul, and treat others as you would be treated. I will not until proven wrong. I am no coward. I am standing against evil; the evil that makes it ‘ok’ to abandon our sick and our weak like they are trash. You’re right there it is a disease and there is a cure that’s not made of lead… Don’t understand your ‘to the rules of rules’ comment. I do what I do about my faith and need no instruction from a stranger online thanks. Yes, if you ever see me committing a murderous rampage, please use whatever means necessary to end it. That is how I as a G_d-fearing man wish to be treated. I’d rather find the warning signs ahead of time actually admit what they are and get you help to rejoin the human race before it came to that, rest assured though that if it came down to it I’d try and put one right between your eyes. Hope that makes you feel better. Again, hundreds of young children are killed every year by drunk drivers. Why don't we hear reported continued body counts for that plague on our society? Actually we do, at least we do here ion florida. Because the cowards who write the news don't want to offend their friends. Do you drink and drive? negative At least the children who were murdered in CT had some taste of the wonder and beauty of life on Earth. Not so the 50 MILLION slaughtered babies since evil corrupt and misled men created from whole cloth the right to perpetrate such slaughter. Who are the cowards? By making the death of 26 in CT into some kind of unprecedented tragedy, YOU are the coward. Anyone who refuses to take a stand against the rampant unmitigated evil that has swept this nation is a coward! It’s not unprecedented it is however bringing light to the real issues. We are creating ill humans and they need healing and help. We can provide but we refuse to do it. That is cowardly. Why do some fail to value life? Because they've been told that life has no value, it's just another commodity to be disposed of according to the will of another. They’ve been taught that from many many angles including the lack of care or worse yet the abuse of those in need of care. WISE UP PEOPLE! Yes please wise up to the actual issue of not caring about the ill among us wise up to the truth that until we actually start acting like our brothers keeper he’s going to kill us | ||
| Bads1 |
Don't know Blake. Andrea commented to me because of this discussion and she told me about it over dinner yesterday evening. I understand the Constitution. The school also has a say as does the teachers that are there. Ask yourself why they don't want guns??? Instead of getting the right to have them. What if your giving a gun to a teacher that come unhinged... then what. In my community we have had 2 teachers in the last 3 years go to jail for sexual assault of children. One Male teachers had sex with a minor male young Boy. The other it was pictures of nudity and fondling. The 3rd was a Racine Police officer that was a school cop and it was his own Daughter that he Assaulted. Not to mention 2 of these cases were in My childrens School..... the cop I've known personally for 20 plus years.... never would of thought. Now!!! Yeah I don't want guns in the school's. Its adds to the possible problem. | ||
| Sifo |
Dana, here's the thing. No one wants to keep a teacher from teaching. Some however want to keep teachers from being able to defend themselves and those around them. I can do my job just as well armed or not. The law says I cannot be armed though. The choice has been taken away. Is that a good thing? | ||
| Sifo |
What if your giving a gun to a teacher that come unhinged... I a law saying he can't bring his gun to school going to stop an unhinged person? Isn't that the crux of the discussion? | ||
| Bads1 |
a law saying he can't bring his gun to school going to stop an unhinged person? Isn't that the crux of the discussion? If the gun is there then it can be a problem. We have not given them the option to do so. I do not want anyone teaching my child while they are armed.... its my child and my right. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
I a law saying he can't bring his gun to school going to stop an unhinged person? Isn't that the crux of the discussion? The very core of it. When and how do we get the people that need help helped? | ||
| Crackhead |
If the teacher is unhinged, what stops them from bringing a fire arm to school? |
