Why do you have to be a Liberal or Lefty or Greenie zealot to be against fracking?
These goons must be paid disinformation agents. Rabbit, rabbit, rabbit. Get real Bill and friends and move out of the matrix you are stuck in.
Tax money, trillions of "Dollars", 'grow the economy', revenue, 'cheap' energy, reduce the deficit, Left and Right, blah blah blah. Once again, almost all attributable directly to the monetary system and controlled 'one' party system.
Can anyone seriously think fricking fracking is 'good'?
"Politicians are pushing ahead with their plans to centralise control of carbon emissions through a global authority, the UN’s IPCC. What very few have picked up on however is the possible emergence of another fiat, backed-by-nothing currency – carbon credits."
And all the while, in plain view of anyone with half a brain, are global weather modification programmes costing gazzillions of '$$$$$' fron somewhere, and suppressed energy technology locked up in the patents office.
The 'elections' are over. Back to normal business for another 4 years. Have you got four more years?
I'm off to burn another $50 of petrol, to do my bit for the environment. Which one to take?
It seems that the "hottest year on record" we've been having every year for the last decade is a lie using the charts of the very people who tell us that lie.
How many years in a row? The model doesn't fit the real world. The organizations that make money on Warming tell us year after year that it's the warmest on record. False, year after year. How many times? Why do people listen to proven liars?
I'm convinced the polar bears are heavily involved in causing climate change while crying victim, and in some cases even piloting the aircraft laying chemtrails which hold in heat. Polar bears are renowned at being able to keep secrets, and look nice and cuddly and innocent, but some of the polar bears are likely extraterrestrials in polar bear suits.
Scott Stevens' research indicates this programme, which doesn't exist, hasn't existed for nearly sixty years when Nazi polar bears were brought to America under Project Paperclip.
Contrails were a major deal in WW2. They were an arrow pointing at your bomber formation, or your fighter/recon plane. Persistent, long lived. Hours. Enemy fighters could follow the contrails right to you...
It's not that easy to see a boat in the ocean from above or a plane in the sky. Especially when you are airborne. You have a larger angle of sky to scan, and the problem of looking through more atmosphere looking sideways. You find ships at sea by the wake. Ditto the contrails.
Accepted, fuddy duddy science, ( verifiable by repeatable experiment ) says at certain temperature and pressures, water vapor will condense. There are factors involving dust particles to form the nucleus of water droplets, and cosmic ray effects, but in short, steam condenses. Jet engines, like the Merlins and P&Ws of WW2 make water vapor, in abundance..
You are burning a LOT of hydrocarbon fuel.
Water and CO2, are what you get from that. Plus, the Unburned Hydrocarbons, Oxides of Nitrogen, and CO that are the unwanted remnants of combustion. ( hydrogen burning engines just put out water and perhaps the oxides of Nitrogen, and would make contrails just the same... heavier, even. )
How am I supposed to tell the difference? Stevens claims the contrails are different from the chemtrails because of how they disperse? How can you tell? What if all the trails you see are chemtrails? I can understand being able to tell if Pan Am was in on the vast conspiracy, and Eastern was not. And You Knew that. Then you could compare trails from the 2 airlines where they were close in time and position.
Still, For conspiracy fun, I prefer the Nazi Flying Saucers. Secret Antarctic bases, Vrill Energy, Neopagan Cult contact with aliens.... ( and as with any nutty conspiracy theory, there are actual facts involved. The Nazi's had the long range cargo Submarines, had or were developing supersonic alt-fuel planes, IRBMs, and Space Planes for Bombing New York, Detroit, or LA. )
In an Homage to that conspiracy cult... There was a Comic Book Series "Luftwaffe 1946" that got into alien influences, etc. in an alternative world where Goering perished in WW1 and Richthofen lived to become head of the Luftwaffe. ( they were in the same unit, both aces ) With more competent leadership, Germany hangs on longer... Detonates their first A-bomb on top of a tower at a Concentration camp as the Russian Army takes it, etc. etc.
No relevance to anything science, climate, fact, or reality... but pretty drawings and ridiculous plots....
As to Chemtrails... many people believe. Many people believe Al Gore too, but he gets the full support of a bunch of guys who get rich off the "end of the World" panic con and the support of most of the "media" who are usually big on Statist, leftist power. ( because Journalism Schools are run by statist, leftist professors, duh. )
Darn hard to prove a negative. How can you prove that they DON'T add chemicals to jet engines for some nefarious purpose? Weather, mind, monetary control... Wheee!
It's just with the number of people that Have To Be involved, no freaking way could such a secret be kept.
OTOH... we've GOT the hacked E-mails from the Hadley CRU,( discussing how to fake data and condemn critics ) had the UN IPCC admit their reports are bogus, ( edited by Greenies and run by leftist economists... ) and Al Gore bought a Beach front house purchased with the Millions he made of Global Warming telling us the Seas Will Rise...
And MSNBC never, ever reports a word...
If the Chemtrail folk had a Lefty agenda that would make a lefty statist elite super rich, it would be daily news, and the Mantra of Our Time. Because it's a paranoid libertarian bent cult..... ignored and reviled.
BTW...... You know who gets richer & richer with the Global Warming Con?
Sure, the Greenies, the money guys at the Cap & Trade exchanges, and a bunch of guys who get sweetheart deals like the guys who ran the dozens of companies like Solyndra that Obama gave your money to when they Donated to him... All those folk got rich, all on your dime.
But the real winners are the Evil Oil Companies that have taken advantage of the high price of energy Obama SAYS HE WANTS, AND DELIVERED to get richer than ever before..... all on your dime.
Now THAT"S a Conspiracy no one is mentioning. ( of course, it's just good business sense to take advantage of the corrupt thieves in government... which they really are )
"You won’t see many mainstream media reports on chemtrails or the aerosol program, people are afraid to touch the subject. On the ground most people have become so Pavlovian that they can’t even acknowledge anything that hasn’t been formally introduced into the group consciousness." Zen Gardner
ADRIAN SALBUCHI is a political analyst, author, speaker and radio talk-show host in Argentina.
From a timely article published on the 7th:
"First, A Word About “Conspiracies…” If you don’t buy any of the above explanations, and you feel that today’s calamities are being purposefully engineered – that some group of people somewhere control the course of world events – then be careful because you risk being branded another paranoid, hallucinating, conspiracy theory kook.
Don’t let that worry you too much because those who disqualify as mere “conspiracy theories” any attempt to put together an alternative model of how global power really works are either, (a) blissfully ignorant and believe in the “world according to CNN and FoxNews”; (b) near-sighted on key long-term geopolitical processes; or (c) purposely deceptive and thus have an axe to grind protecting the Global Power Elite, which always reacts with uneasiness whenever someone shines a light on them. I will only deal with the last of these options."
"A contrail is usually of low volume and extends some 2 to 20 times the length of the aircraft. Exceptions occurred during WW II from large deployments of combustion engine bombers, but did not generally extend into the jet age. Jet clouds made their major appearance for weather observers in the early 1990s, after many years of jet traffic without such clouds."
"I am totally amazed to watch our ‘scientists’ clamor after ‘solar screen’ geoengineering programs that create artificial cloud cover to protect us from global warming, while such a program has been ongoing for decades and probably is creating the very problems they say they want to solve. These are programs that they “don’t see,” “deny exist,” and call others “nuts” for discussing. Don’t you guys ever go outside, look up, and watch the spray program? This is basic observation that anyone can do if they know what to look for. How can our ‘scientists’ clamor for a program that is already an elephant in the sky and is having significant weather impacts? This information is not even in the discussion, but is witnessed and photographed by millions of members of the public. How can they deny with the mountain of information available? Who exactly is represented here? Who the hell are ‘they’?"
Physics is real. You can't reverse the course of a hurricane with a few burps of chemicals into the atmosphere. Conservation of energy dictates that you'd need something on the order of a fleet of hydrogen bombs.
It helped O win the election. It was just the thing to make him look presidential talking about how he was going to cut through red tape (talk, not act), and provided 'evidence' that Global Warming^tm is real. For the uneducated voters who for some unknown reason were still on the fence, it was just the push they needed.
So if you routinely wear tinfoil hats, then all the evidence points to Sandy as a storm that was created and steered into the east coast by those who would like to see the downfall of America via the reelection of a socialist tyrant.
How's that for a conspiracy?
Pardon me, I'm going to go get high enough to snort some chemtrails.
For more evidence on the hurricane creating and steering technology that exists and is being used today read the article I wrote on June 1st 2011 titled “HAARP electromagnetic waves can be used to stimulate geophysical events such as earthquakes, climate change, volcanic eruptions and the like.” http://presscore.ca/2011/?p=2730
That article starts out by stating – “In a lecture on April 27, 1997 at the University of Georgia former Secretary of Defense, William Cohen spoke on weapons of mass destruction. At that lecture Cohen asserted that “electromagnetic waves can be used to stimulate geophysical events such as earthquakes, climate change, volcanic eruptions and the like”."
"By manipulating the jet stream (pushing or pulling it off course) HAARP can modify the weather. HAARP can alter the path an existing high pressure weather system (clear skies) or low pressure weather system (storm clouds) anywhere on Earth just by heating the ionsphere over the target region."
How hurricanes and tornadoes are created using HAARP "HAARP can also create a column-shaped hole with a diameter of 30 miles that rises a couple of hundred kilometers through the atmosphere. The lower atmosphere then moves up the column to fill in that space, and it changes pressure systems below. The result of hot surface air being sucked up into the column to fill the HAARP created column-shaped hole is a HAARP created hurricane (if HAARP column-shaped hole is made over water) or tornado (if HAARP column-shaped hole is made over land)." http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/obamas-october- surprise-creating-and-steering-hurricane-sandy/
http://www.scribd.com/doc/101069972/Ionosphere-Hea ters-amp-HAARP Acknowledgments. We acknowledge support from HAARP,Office of Naval Research (ONR), Air Force Research Laboratory, and Defense Advanced Research Programs Agency, via ONR grant N0001405C0308 to Stanford University. We thank Mike McCarrick for operation of the HAARP array.
What are chemtrails and how do chemtrails and HAARP work together?
CIA Project Cloverleaf was the initial aerosolized heavy metal chemtrail spraying op.
Chemtrail barium salts absorb electromagnetic radiation, aluminum dioxides reflect it.
Chemtrail spraying allegedly commenced over N.A. by the early 1990s, using commercial & military airplanes and being sold as a Greenhouse gas/global warming mitigation strategy of the skies, which was & still is primarily in the hands of the U.S. military.
Barium, aluminum, thorium and selenium were/still are processed into sub-micron particles and ionized with a special electrical charge, for chemtrail spraying.
Theoretically, the partial science fraud sold to local gov’ts and inquiring sheeple in N.A., was/is that the chemtrail heavy metal spraying will block and/or reflect the sunlight from entering the earth’s atmosphere, so that dangerous UV radiation levels will decline.
But it appears chemtrail spraying is actually be used with HAARP to create weather modification and/or climate change as a military tool, to gain control of targeted populations.
Microwaves, ELF, VLF and EMR/EMF-based systems are transmitted into the atmosphere, reflected by the ionosphere and back to earth’s atmosphere, polluted with chemtrails which contain various airborne, chemical particulates and other electromagnetic frequency absorbers and/or reflectors which are used to push or pull the JET STREAMS from their normal course and hence this will change weather patterns.
Drought induction occurs by heating the stratosphere (second major layer of the earth’s atmosphere) with microwaves, placing airborne chemical particulates in the airspace and thereby changing the base-line moisture gradients via microwaves from HAARP and desiccating chemically with barium, aluminum and potassium mixtures.
The severe drought in southern Russia along with the severe flooding in Pakistan in the summer of 2010 was allegedly created by likely a HAARP-like/scalar/ionospheric heater facility in Russia or Norway which split the JET STREAM over part of the world and turbo-charged it over Pakistan while diverting it away from southern Russia.
Hurricane Sandy is expected to bring the US economy an economic boost with up to $240bn in reconstruction and replacement purchases and add 0.5% to the countries GDP next year, surpassing the $50bn loss it caused.
“Construction costs to rebuild all that was lost will be more than simply replacement because a lot of the work will also involve fortifying structures,” Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at Economic Outlook told Bloomberg. “We’ll see construction ramped up, and that’s going to bring in jobs and an increase in demand for material of all sorts, and that’s going to further stimulate the economy.”
"Let’s start from basics: what drives the world today is not justice, it’s not the pursuit of the Common Good, nor international law, nor ethical values, nor democracy. What governs the world is Power and today Power has been illegitimately amassed in the hands of a tiny usurping minority. What do we mean by “Power”?
Firstly, Power is the concrete ability to plan, promote, organise, and carry out actions, the results of which invariably lead to specific and desired objectives and goals in the short, medium and long terms. Power is the capacity and ability to make certain things happen irrespective of any resistance, and at the same time blocking certain other things from happening irrespective of their force; if need be by war…
This definition spans political, economic, industrial, financial, business, technological, cultural, psychological and (usually, in the last instance) military stages. The exercise of Power requires coordinated and intelligent use of all resources at hand – whether plentiful or lean, physical or virtual – with the view of achieving concrete objectives and goals." ADRIAN SALBUCHI
there was a really bad movie about moving hurricanes with electromagnetic pulsing probe had the guy from 90210 in it cant remember the name, but it was pure cheese..... please don't make Luke Perry into 'deep throat' that blew the whistle - it is too much even for conspiracy theorists
HAARP sounds a lot like scalar wave stuff, none of which is "proven" or unclassified, and zip whistle blowing good guys involved.
Now in Russia, where the Scalar research supposedly was, whistle blowers tended to end up in Siberia or dead, ( and protesters against Putin do, today. Just like old times, With oil and far more money ) so all you've got is conspiracy theory stuff.
In the end, what makes me skeptical is the extreme broadness of the claims for both.
Cold explosions at a great distance ( scalar ) weather control, steering hurricanes, death rays, mind control, earthquakes, etc. etc.
Now Fracking certainly CAN cause an earthquake, if fluid is injected on a fault line. Years ago in CA research ( not fracking ) squirting fluid into a fault line freed it up and produced small quakes. For a mercifully short time they thought they might have a trick to relieve the pressure on the faults and make controlled, soft quakes to prevent big ones. Then they woke up to the fact that Quakes are large scale and not so easy to manipulate. Chaos theory, butterfly effect, and the real possibility that by easing a LA quake zone they could transfer stress to SF or Washington causing "the big one" or land slide tsunamis ended that project.
Can we steer a Hurricane? Sure. Aim it precisely? I really doubt it. But cloud seeding ( the real world origin of the Chemtrail cult ) in the right spots, at the right time, could alter the course of a hurricane. I have doubts as to the precision or effectiveness of such efforts and suspect we run into inability to model good enough to do so, ever. ( and the GW cultists assure us they can predict the planetary average temperature within fractions of a degree centuries away. Can't predict last year, mind you. )
Now, I'm all good with discussing crazy science. Big fan of Orion Drives ( the only thing that has a hope of saving us from Asteroid Strikes ) Casaba-howitzer, ( shaped nuclear charges ) The Pluto Project, ( mach 3 nuclear ramjet cruise missile ) and Orbital Solar. All, by the way, quite real, even if full scale working hardware for some is either classified or not built.
Thank the Gods! in the case of Pluto. They actually tested the full scale engine, and it worked. They stopped before testing the entire missile in free flight.
Unstoppable killing machines NEVER work out in the movies.
But Haarp exists. Does it do all the magic things? i dunno. It's a classified government project that's not all that big or obvious, so there might be enough security to keep it's wonders secret. ( though if there IS a big secret, I'd bet it's NOT what the conspiracy says it is. Roswell anyone? )
Chemtrails? it just seems too big. Too many people for it to stay secret. Agent orange didn't stay secret. Watergate didn't stay secret..
OTOH, there was no massive reporting on the WMD's the allies have captured in Iraq, nor that Syria got truck convoys of them. ( and Iraqi Chemical weapons may be used, soon by Syria. )
I'm a big Tesla fan. He invented the 20th century. AC current, radio, wireless transmission of power, the vibrator. ( all proven and true ) The first full scale test of wireless power transmission was near Colorado Springs and blacked out the town. http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ll/ll_colspr.html
When he started a project on Long Island to transmit free power, he, naturally, ran out of money, ( he did that a lot ) and went to JP Morgan. When Morgan found out he wouldn't get paid for the power people used with Tesla's system, he, oddly, didn't go for it. We are all still waiting.
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 04:56 am:
Nice response Aesquire, and I can appreciate where you are coming from.
I'll wade my way through your links.
"Chemtrails? it just seems too big. Too many people for it to stay secret."
I don't think so. There are probably members on this forum who could add to our discussion and don't, or won't or can't.
The 1970 book, BETWEEN TWO AGES, by Zbigniew Brzezinski (the founding director of David Rockefeller’s Trilateral Commission) stated: "Technology will make available, to the leaders of major nations, techniques for conducting secret warfare, of which only a bare minimum of the security forces need be appraised... TECHNIQUES OF WEATHER MODIFICATION COULD BE EMPLOYED TO PRODUCE PROLONGED PERIODS OF DROUGHT OR STORM."
We surface dwelling useless food eaters are not to be privy to facts in any case. What would be the point?
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 09:29 am:
Somebody made an offhand remark about the possibility of modifying the weather in the future (building size computers were all the rage at the time) 40 years ago, and you're taking it at face value? Where's the flying car that we were all promised would be in every driveway in America? Is that a conspiracy too?
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 11:13 pm:
"Where's the flying car that we were all promised would be in every driveway in America? Is that a conspiracy too?"
You have been deemed too stupid and incompetent to operate them and until Nanny State can guarantee your safety, you are not going to have them. Tough!
One of my problems Hootowl is that I never take anything at face value. Another problem I have is that I believe all things are possible. I have lots of other problems too, but you Americans are generally too polite to say so :-).
Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 - 11:23 pm:
Alas, I know why we can't have the flying car.
People can't drive. They'd be crashing all over the place.
The FAA can't handle the traffic they have now. They want an automated traffic control system to let them deal with it, which requires autonomous piloting systems.
Also, a good airplane doesn't make a good car & vice versa.
So, eventually you will be able to take a flying taxi, and own a flying car, but you won't really fly it much.
Now, I'd really love a flying motorcycle, but the closest thing out there is an Ultralight Trike, ( running from 250 enduro to touring bike relative capability ) and I want VTOL without the rotor issues of a helicopter. ( also available in a solo ultralight version )