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Geedee
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 03:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rabbi Lazer Beams

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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 08:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Liked the "haarp over japan" video.

All these years I thought that was a natural phenom involving interboundry turbulence visible with high altitude ice particles....

I also Annoy UFO guys by picking out the Lenticular Clouds in the Saucer books.


lenticular cloud
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"some speculate nuclear material as well"

That's not speculation, though they never did complete delivery. Japan intended to drop a dirty bomb on San Francisco, but Germany surrendered while the material was in transit. Germany had the fissile material for a bomb but no heavy water. Norwegian resistance fighters destroyed their stockpile. If not for that, Europe may have been the site of the first use of a nuclear weapon. The Japanese were working on one too.
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2012/10/22/british- engineers-create-gasoline-from-thin-air/?intcmp=fe atures

Interesting. Probably wildly inefficient given that you never get back what you put in. They don't say what it costs per gallon.

Gas out of thin air (and electricity)!

Reminds me of an episode of the IT Crowd where the CEO wistfully remarks that when he founded the company all he had was a dream...and six million Pounds.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 10:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brilliant!

I wonder how many thousands of gallons of gas they had to burn in a generator ( or equivalent ) to make 5 litres of CO2 recovery fuel?

This is NOT a fuel source, this is a BATTERY. You put enormous amounts of power in, get a little fuel out.

The fuel works in any petrol tank and promises to be “completely carbon neutral” so long as renewable energy is used to provide the electricity.

Bull.

I wouldn't invest a ha-penny bit in this scam.

You CAN make Gold in a nuclear reactor if you know what you are doing. ( YES! the TRIUMPH of the Alchemist! At Last! )

even at todays gold costs, you'd lose a fortune with each gram.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I enjoy the idea that they claim civilian planes are dispersing chemtrails. No doubt the military (of various countries) have experimented with spraying a variety of things in the air. This is well documented. But as a secret program on civilian jets? Really? Have you seen the photo's of the "secret" equipment?



They must hide this stuff in first class, because I've flown quite a lot in cattle class and have never seen this stuff.

I wonder what the flight attendants think all this stuff is for?
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 03:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OOOOOoooppps I thanked you for the wrong website!

This one... thanks.

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/scalar.htm
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hoot, that's thin air, electricity, sodium hydroxide, water vapor, and multiple chemical processes. Including....

Using Calcium hydroxide to make calcium carbonate, then splitting the Carbon Dioxide off with electricity. ( IIRC a straight forward heating process... with electrical resistance heating? )

condensing the water vapor out of the air, and then splitting it for the Hydrogen. ( electrolysis )

THEN combining the hydrogen ( which is already fuel ) with the CO2 to make Methane....( insert chemical plant here ) ... To Methanol...( insert larger chemical plant here ) ...through the already existing process to make synfuel...

Yep. I'm too lazy to work out the numbers, but a WAG is between 200 and 4000 gallons of gas burned in a home generator to make one gallon of fuel.



Interestingly, the middle part, where you make the methane, is the process proposed for the Mars Direct Program.

The idea was to send cargo drones ahead of the humans, with supplies, a small nuclear reactor, a big tank of hydrogen, and a chemical plant. You'd send a few drones, they would land, and start sucking in the CO2 from Mar's atmosphere, combining it with the H2 brought there, and make Methane and O2.

AFTER you were sure you had multiple loads of fuel for the return trip waiting for you on Mars, you'd send the humans in a ship that didn't need to carry fuel and oxidizer for lift off, greatly increasing the useful payload, and making it practical, instead of darn iffy.

I suspect you'd use far less energy turning garbage into synfuel than the stunt of turning "air" into it.

But that's obviously not the point here, is it?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article4 597929.ece

The £1.1m project has been in development for the past two years and is being funded by a group of anonymous philanthropists.

They unnamed sponsors hope it could prove to be a lucrative way of creating renewable energy.

Stephen Tetlow, the Institution of Mechanical Engineers chief executive, hailed the breakthrough as “truly groundbreaking”.

“It has the potential to become a great British success story, which opens up a crucial opportunity to reduce carbon emissions,” he said.

“It also has the potential to reduce our exposure to an increasingly volatile global energy market.”


Not one ha-penny bit from me.

( and yes, I'm one of those fuddy duddys that fails to see how adding a "browns gas" machine to your car breaks the laws of thermodynamics. )
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you learned nothing? It WILL be profitable. Let the tax credits and guaranteed loans begin!
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 10:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2012 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I feel like an idiot for not noticing it.

It's the Slapchop.

It doesn't work but they got a guy that yells, so it sells!

This "Air to Fuel" process, is simply the "Hydrogen Economy" Plan with a new paint job and a guy that yells.

Ideally, you break sea water and burn the H2.

The methane/methanol/synfuel process is one alternative we've come up with to make car fuel without the problems of gaseous, or cryogenic storage. Also uses the existing infrastructure of gas stations and gas burning cars.

It requires, however, a way to make hydrogen. If the electricity was cheap enough, ( and a Nuclear plant could do that ) you could use electrolysis.

Maybe you can assemble genetically engineered algae that fart hydrogen? Or any number of ideas not yet practical.

The "from only Air and Electricity" bit is the guy that yells. That's the New Green Pitch.

Nifty Gimmick. Really.

So, yeah. It Works.

They just skip the hard part, and that's the actual power input to make it work.

( to break the chemical bonds to get the hydrogen... no matter the process )

Where you get that is the problem, eh?
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Geedee
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 04:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Come on Sifo. That shot inside the plane is the drinks section on a British Football Fans' charter flight. Don't you Americans know anything?

Those are drinks chillers and kegs of assorted on tap lager, for the outward flight.

Sometimes I'm beginning to wonder if the mind control programme is too far advanced to save you all. I've tried.

OK, I'm only kidding, about the last bit .
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Geedee
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 04:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Aesquire, have you seen this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwUpPwyyvLw

Subtitled, but City wouldn't have to read them.
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have to watch that one..

A fellow at work is a conspiracy believer/buff, ( Nukes are installed in all skyscrapers... ( why, I dunno ) and THAT's what was used at the Twin Towers... We also disagree on JFK ) and he has lots of stuff on Vrill energy and the nazi Saucers.

This has zip relevance to the discussion, but it was kinda cool...

Bunch of Caterpillars moving a 100 year old Oak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=BFTj0hM3DHM
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Somehow I was expecting insects.

Cool video!
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 07:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

After further reflection, the Hydrogen Economy idea has a lot of merit.

Not the "air to fuel" gimmick, that's just a stunt.

But burning Hydrogen is clean, no CO2 ( not that I think that's important, but why not ) no hydrocarbons, and in a car only some oxides of nitrogen for the catalytic converter to deal with.

The problem is storage and carrying H2 around in a car. Hydrogen is a tiny molecule and diffuses through steel faster than you'd think. It's nice that it doesn't leave puddles around when ( not if ) it leaks, but it's also explosive over a wide range of concentration. But, what the heck, Acetylene is so scary that way if it wasn't a legacy fuel, it'd be illegal.

Cryogenic storage is even worse, since there are 2 versions of the molecule, ( ortho and para ) depending on spin, and one decomposes to the other spontaneously, releasing heat. Liquid H2 has also blown up several Bubble Chambers in University labs, and there's a reason it usually takes highly trained Astronauts to run Hydrogen Fuel cells running on cryogenic liquids...

The usual "solution" is a metal Hydride and I'm as fond of having a vat of that in my car as I am a liquid Sodium Battery.

Still.... great idea. Cheap electric power would make it practical.

Any hope of that this year?
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Sifo
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hydrogen has two main problems. Storage being one of them, and you have covered that.

The other is that it is nothing more than a way to store energy. In other words, it takes energy to create the hydrogen, and virtually any conversion has loses.

Could it be useful for certain things? Without a doubt. Developing an entire civilization around it is out of the question though.

I like nuclear power in concept, but it is still more expensive than hydrocarbon based power generation. It does look like the next best thing though.
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hence my comment that "it's a Battery".

IF your concern is oil imports and the wealth we give dictators and Kings, OR IF your concern is with the Global Warming Scam, ( as a true Believer, not a Denying Skeptic ) Or even if you are concerned with hydrocarbon pollution, from well to tailpipe.... then the Hydrogen Economy has real good points.

BUT you need power to make it all work.

( that is, unless there is a real breakthrough in water cracking catalysts. I know of no unclassified trends in that direction ) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115857/

If I "won the Lotto", I'd put money on Fusion, specifically the Bussard developments like Polywell. Dr. Bussard figured about $200 million to build a full scale test rig for Boron-Proton reactions, ( and if it fails to quite make it with B-P.... Deuterium would run fine for sure. Like building an engine strong enough to run diesel, but planning to run gasoline if you don't quite get the Compression high enough )
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Aesquire
Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2012 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Fun flick... One of Keanu's best IMHO.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 08:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/10/22/italian- court-convicts-7-scientists-for-failing-to-predict -earthquake/?test=latestnews

It's rare, but I'm speechless.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://xkcd.com/1126/
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/09/peat_ice_a ge_coming_only_co2_can_save_us/print.html

"We are probably entering a new ice age right now. However, we're not noticing it due to the effects of carbon dioxide,"

That's my current understanding of the Climate. Maybe. It's full of Probably's and Perhaps's. ( a sign that its Science and not Politics. )

"We don’t know what halts Ice Ages; we do know that there was a great deal of ice and much lower seas during much of pre-history of mankind, and that the ice sheets have come and gone more than once.

We also know that it was warmer in the Viking age than it is now. We know that the seas have been rising at about a foot a century for at least 300 years, and we are fairly certain that this rate goes back a very long time (you can see the ruins of coastal cities in the Mediterranean, for example).

The problem with the cult of Global Warming is that we aren’t studying what is really happening." -Jerry Pournelle.
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Sifo
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If we could hold off the next ice age with some CO2, then drill baby drill. I have serious doubts about that ability though.
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Cowboy
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We will never stop the warming till we stop the hot air from the Obama Admin.
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think you're being unfair.

It's not this admin, it's D.C. We need to put in hot air collectors...

Perhaps an airtight dome over the city? Trap all that CO2, Save the Whales! Win/Win, anyway you look at it.

Hmm, maybe I can get a grant for that?
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Aesquire
Posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This one is funny to a limited number of people...
http://xkcd.com/1132/

To save time for the confused... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_statistics

Ok, maybe that didn't help... Sorry.

Best science for modern education yet!
http://xkcd.com/1133/
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/nov/17/co ngress-demands-epas-secret-email-accounts/

http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/12/epa-chiefs-secre t-alias-email-account-revealed/

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121117/AUTO01 /211170359/EPA-rejects-bid-to-relax-ethanol-mandat e

The purpose of power, is power.
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 18, 2012 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Highly suggested reading...

This months ( Jan/Feb '13 ) Analog magazine has a science fact article discussing the historical scientific feuds on the nature of the Solar System, from Sun Centered to the current theories. ( Current theories work well enough to get a probe out past Saturn. They are not yet good enough to get one to Alpha Centauri. )

And I see that the Penn State President that cleared Michael Mann of Hockey Stick fame ( global warming ) of fraud is in trouble for protecting a pedophile on the staff..... Something about decades of cover ups on the football team.... you might have heard about it?.....
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Aesquire
Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2012 - 09:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://grist.org/climate-energy/ten-reasons-a-carb on-tax-is-trickier-than-you-think/

I disagree with a lot here, mostly in basic assumptions, but it's well though out.
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Aesquire
Posted on Friday, November 30, 2012 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

opinion piece. Fracking.

https://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=105&load=7764
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